GPs: Dixon/Cosworth Yamaha is now on Kawasakis

benchracermx wrote:

From what I here it's Yamaha that's pulled the support.....perhaps something to do with all then dnfs and problems this year with that fancy cosworth engine.

benchracermx wrote:

From what I here it's Yamaha that's pulled the support.....perhaps something to do with all then dnfs and problems this year with that fancy cosworth engine.

dilligaf wrote:

From what you hear Yamaha pulled support.... HAHAHA I call total BS on that one ;) Hows this sound for a reply.... Yamaha DID offer support...

From what you hear Yamaha pulled support.... HAHAHA I call total BS on that one

Hows this sound for a reply.... Yamaha DID offer support for 2015 and note that Yamaha's ONLY overall MX2 win in 14 was with Dixon & Max. Yamaha management in Europe pushed a team that has a clear history of producing fast bikes to race a new model WELL before it was fully developed and ready to race... FYI the factory team in GP's had the 14 model 250 well before the 13 season ended. Dixon's team didn't get a 2014 model bike for development till mid January 2014. Note the first GP was March 1st (2 months is not much R&D time) so now why do you think they started the season on the 13 model? Need I remind you of the 2 holeshots at MXON in 2013 versus MX1 & MX3 bikes? See photo below


As for the DNF's if the team was so bad why did Anstie still push his bike back everytime he had a issue and stay with the team for 2015 when they changed brands while he had MANY offers from other teams?? As Team Green said there is much behind the scenes and what people think they know or hear from someone who knows someone... Funny how people at Lommel think the bike was fast (I would guess it was de-tuned some for the lommel conditions) also keep in mind they started with a production based unit (the factory teams 250 bike uses a one off non production head among other things) so in theory it could be raced in AMA if they wanted just have to set up for AMA sound and fuel rules (that would make it faster). Maybe some didn't notice the starts of the Puerto Rico MX2 rider at MXON this year.... that would be the other Martin brother Alex who happen to be on Max's bike . I find it funny when outside people make dumb statements they know nothing about. The Bottom line is the 15 season in GP's is looking like it will be great for many to watch.

Underground wrote:

Have to say that I'm really enjoying this thread also with some good insider input. More moto, less TMZ.

ML512 wrote:

There's some insider input in here, one poster is involved with the team actually.

benchracermx wrote:

From what I here it's Yamaha that's pulled the support.....perhaps something to do with all then dnfs and problems this year with that fancy cosworth engine.

dilligaf wrote:

From what you hear Yamaha pulled support.... HAHAHA I call total BS on that one ;) Hows this sound for a reply.... Yamaha DID offer support...

From what you hear Yamaha pulled support.... HAHAHA I call total BS on that one

Hows this sound for a reply.... Yamaha DID offer support for 2015 and note that Yamaha's ONLY overall MX2 win in 14 was with Dixon & Max. Yamaha management in Europe pushed a team that has a clear history of producing fast bikes to race a new model WELL before it was fully developed and ready to race... FYI the factory team in GP's had the 14 model 250 well before the 13 season ended. Dixon's team didn't get a 2014 model bike for development till mid January 2014. Note the first GP was March 1st (2 months is not much R&D time) so now why do you think they started the season on the 13 model? Need I remind you of the 2 holeshots at MXON in 2013 versus MX1 & MX3 bikes? See photo below


As for the DNF's if the team was so bad why did Anstie still push his bike back everytime he had a issue and stay with the team for 2015 when they changed brands while he had MANY offers from other teams?? As Team Green said there is much behind the scenes and what people think they know or hear from someone who knows someone... Funny how people at Lommel think the bike was fast (I would guess it was de-tuned some for the lommel conditions) also keep in mind they started with a production based unit (the factory teams 250 bike uses a one off non production head among other things) so in theory it could be raced in AMA if they wanted just have to set up for AMA sound and fuel rules (that would make it faster). Maybe some didn't notice the starts of the Puerto Rico MX2 rider at MXON this year.... that would be the other Martin brother Alex who happen to be on Max's bike . I find it funny when outside people make dumb statements they know nothing about. The Bottom line is the 15 season in GP's is looking like it will be great for many to watch.

benchracermx wrote:

Yea well done smart ass .....we both clearly heard different things. And no one said the bike was slow only that it was clearly unreliable, max...

Yea well done smart ass .....we both clearly heard different things. And no one said the bike was slow only that it was clearly unreliable, max couldnt even get the bike started till the 5 sec board was down at lommel then in the second race I think it was he had to nurse the bike home (pretty sure it was)

benchracermx wrote:

Yea well done smart ass .....we both clearly heard different things. And no one said the bike was slow only that it was clearly unreliable, max...

Yea well done smart ass .....we both clearly heard different things. And no one said the bike was slow only that it was clearly unreliable, max couldnt even get the bike started till the 5 sec board was down at lommel then in the second race I think it was he had to nurse the bike home (pretty sure it was)

dilligaf wrote:

@benchracermx first you might have heard "things" but then your user name says it all ;). I will say is that yes the team struggled much...

@benchracermx first you might have heard "things" but then your user name says it all . I will say is that yes the team struggled much of the season and the bike was labelled "unreliable" by many. However given the budget, size of team & fact they fielded 4 riders (1 in MXGP & 3 in MX2) the negative talk by some makes me crack up! IF people really had the slightest clue as to how advanced that bike was and developed in such a short time frame they would be shocked! The starting issue at Lommel in moto 1 was due to the unique nature of the electronics set up & a simple "brain fart" in start procedure (think Cosworth & F1 background). As for moto 2 lets just go with a electronic "gremlin" caused a bit of struggle after the TEAM swapped to a fresh motor for 2nd moto "just to be safe" as it was Lommel after all.

I want to point out that no one really talks about how the team builds the bikes up based from the same bike the consumer can buy. Many of factory teams don't use production platforms as they do not have a production rule like in the AMA. Anyone who has ever been to the teams shop typically leaves with the impression they just left a small motorcycle factory. Almost every part is built in-house as they have several cnc set ups, fabrication, engine room, suspension etc etc.

philG wrote:

At Lommel , after the bike didnt light up on the gate , Anstie had one lick left before the gate dropped , and it went...

At Lommel , after the bike didnt light up on the gate , Anstie had one lick left before the gate dropped , and it went and so did he .. think was a missile , race 2 , and we left the Dixon pit that late that we almost missed the warm up lap , and the bike was still in bits , god knows how he made the race, thought there were parc ferme rules but apparently they made it , didnt do the warm up lap , and Max rode the race with a throttle that didnt want to shut properly.. so i was told later.

I just hope that Max doesnt waste another season being on the wrong bike at the wrong time , Yamaha 14, Gariboldi Honda 13, Suzuki in 12, CLS bike in 2011 was the best thing he's had in GP's , and he didnt get the best out of that either.

Hope he steps up and carries on from where he left off in Lommel, its time .