Official LECTRON CARB Review - 2 Stroke - 2002 CR250

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Edited Date/Time 12/2/2014 6:18pm
Hey there Fellow Riders!!!

I've been meaning to do this write up for some time and now after getting married, starting a new job and giving a home to very high demanding 60lb 6 month old German Shepherd I am sitting down and not getting up until I've finished my review and feedback on the Lectron Carb regarding my 2002 CR250 Build/Project. My goal is to give you some great insight from a lifelong rider who has grown up racing motocross and riding singletrack since I could walk. I have an obsession with 2 strokes and more specifically the Honda CR250's. I've got a few videos to give you a better idea of how the Lectron Carburetor performs, sounds and works.

This started when I sold my 2006 YZ125 (some of you may recall here: [url]http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/1050344-project-2006-yamaha-yz125/[/url] ) and had my eyes set on building a green sticker 2002 CR250. When I first got the bike aside from the obvious cosmetic issues the bike started first kick and rode less than great. I tore into the Mikuni TMX Carb that comes on the 2002 CR250 and got all sorts of jet sizes for the thing. First I put jetting back to stock to the following;

Air Screw: 1-1/2
Slow Jet: 32.5
Needle Clip Position: 2nd
Jet Needle: 6BEY30-74
Main Jet: 380

This left me with a squishy bottom rolling into a strong mid that fell flat way before the bike should have. I played around with the needle, the pilot and the main only to become frustrated over three days. I started googling what others have done to mitigate this issue. Others that had finicky carbs suggest a few things but the Lectron Carb kept coming up and I had never heard of them at the time. I did some more research and even spoke with David over at Lectron to see what made their carb better than the Mikunis and the Keihens that have saturated the 2 stroke offroad market thus far. A huge pain point that Lectron's design cures is the fact that the carb "auto-tunes" to compensate for things like altitude changes, pipe swaps, porting, reeds and any other thing that you would usually have to "re-jet" your carb for so that your bike continues to run crisp. Here's how they do this; Lectron uses a single fuel metering device (AKA Metering Rod). This one device takes the place of a pilot jet, intermediate circuit, and main jet found in a conventional carburetor. This one metering rod is equivalent to approximately 10 main jets in a conventional carburetor.

A couple weeks later I ended up with the Lectron 38mm Short Carb at my doorstep. Installation took me about 45 minutes (mostly because of my poor mechanic skills when it comes to the boot fitment) but once I got the carb installed turned the gas on the bike fired up first kick. Just a note, some bikes like my CR250 are required to order a different throttle cable as well because of the length differences. Lectron sent me a package setup with the carb, throttle cable and a Motion Pro throttle tube. I gave the bike a few minutes and rode it down the street to let the carb "adjust" itself to my bike's setup, altitude and humidity. After that I played with the idle setting for a couple minutes and the bike ran better than expected. The carbs range from a reasonable $300-$600 depending on which carb you need for your bike and if you may or may not need a throttle cable and housing too! After considering the two carbs I had gotten as well as all the jets/time and jet kits I got the price seems fair. [url]www.lectronfuelsystems.com[/url]

So...

The SETUP:

2002 CR250
Lectron 38mm Short Carb w/ standard metering rod
Pro Circuit Works Exhaust
Pro Circuit R304 Shorty Muffler/FMF Turbine Core 2 Spark Arrestor (for Public Parks)
30Plus2Suspension Setup
VForce 3 Reeds/Cage
Stock Head/Cyclinder
Wiseco Piston/Rings
Stock Clutch

First Impression:

First ride out was at Hollister Hills in California. Elevation ranged from 600ft - 2,500ft. The bike starts FIRST kick always, which is awesome. The bike had no idling issues when I would have the clutch in or while it was warming up before the ride. When I first rode the bike onto the track to get warmed up I instantly noticed how much more crisp and how much earlier the power came on from the bottom compared to my TMX and Keihen PWK Airstryker Carb. The power deliver became somewhat less explosive and unpredictable and much more useable and smooth. My lap times were cut down a few seconds a lap because of how much smoother the power delivery was. So instant bottom, smoother transition the mid hit and the overrev up top was noticeably longer and stronger than either of the two other carbs. After some time on the track I went out for some singletrack loops to see how the low end would work out on the tight stuff. There was no longer a hesitation or slight sputter as I was rolling through the tight technical trails in 1st and 2nd gear. Clutching become a little less necessary since there was not as intense of lurching going on when the bike was in low rpm's on super tight sections.

Since the first day out I have taken the bike riding from areas at nearly sea level up to the Sierras at over 5,000 ft elevation and a range of 40 degrees to 90 degrees Fahrenheit and just as it says on their website, the Lectron has run consistently well in all conditions to date. I have owned a handful of very good running two strokes previous to my CR250 and though they ran smooth when I had jetted them properly, I had to adjust the jetting constantly since on tracks I would run a different exhaust setup than when I was at Public Parks and if I left the track or local areas to go ride with my dad up in the Sierras the bike would run horribly unless I changed out the pilot and main and reset the needle position. I know these things can be done but I am a huge promoter of the time and effort the Lectron saves me as I ride many different regularly.

Now for the fun stuff.

Here are a few videos to help provide a visual and audio as to how my bike rides with the Lectron Carb installed. The YouTube clip is raw so that you can really hear how the bike sounds and how smooth the power delivery is and the other video was more for fun and is filmed at Zaca Station in San Luis Obispo CA.

Some Raw Audio/Footage of singletrack and track lap Pro Circuit Works Pipe and R304 shorty:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDkB4ZisFIA&feature=youtu.be[/url]

Footage from Zaca Station w/ FMF Gnarly/Turbine Core 2 setup:
[url]http://vimeo.com/105097579[/url]

Short Edit on first day with the carb at Zaca Station:
[url]http://vimeo.com/105622018[/url]

For those of you interested in the bike and carb itself here are a few shots of my baby!






Please feel free to shoot me any questions about my experience and/or add your own comments about my review! If you would like to get in touch with David let me know and I can shoot you his contact info for questions/ordering.

THANKS! BRAPPPPPPPP
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12/1/2014 11:40am
Thanks for the write up. I've been looking into getting one of these. Sounds like it might be worth it.

Sweet looking bike (and dog) too!
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12/1/2014 11:44am
You can call David for more info 254.857.3828 just tell him Shelby gave you his info!
12/1/2014 11:45am
Good call man.. The price sounds really fair and a no brainer considering the amount of $$$ people drop on much less important things like billet/anodized accessories, etc.
12/1/2014 11:46am
One would think they'd be a sponsor at something like the 2 Stroke Nationals...

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12/1/2014 11:47am
My neighbour bought one for his 2014 KTM 250Sx and he said it's just unreal the difference. He's not a track rider but he said staying with or pulling away from 450s isn't a problem.
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12/1/2014 11:48am
One would think they'd be a sponsor at something like the 2 Stroke Nationals...
yeah man! I know they're looking at getting into the motocross side of things more too and that would be the IDEAL event for them to rep at haha
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12/1/2014 12:17pm
Thanks for the review!
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12/1/2014 12:21pm
Do yourself a favor and buy either a billet bowl or a billet bowl support ring now. If you wait, the bowl WILL distort and end up leaking fuel everywhere. Other than that they're great carburetors.
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12/1/2014 12:22pm
Sweet bike and dog!! What a great review, I've read about these before and always wondered about them. I wonder why we don't see this technology catching on elsewhere? One would think KTM would love to have a product like this on their smokers.

thanks man!
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12/1/2014 1:00pm
Awesome! I've been thinking about one of these for my KTM so maybe I'll have to add it to the Christmas list haha
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12/1/2014 1:10pm
Frodad78 wrote:
Sweet bike and dog!! What a great review, I've read about these before and always wondered about them. I wonder why we don't see this technology...
Sweet bike and dog!! What a great review, I've read about these before and always wondered about them. I wonder why we don't see this technology catching on elsewhere? One would think KTM would love to have a product like this on their smokers.

thanks man!
Frodad78 - Yeah, you would think KTM would go that route. I know a few that have switched on their 300's and they say it is the perfect carb!
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12/1/2014 1:17pm
Was that Troll Trail in the video? I know that trail all too well.

Im sold on the lectron if it helps that much through that trail!
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12/1/2014 1:23pm
HOPSTOOPID wrote:
Was that Troll Trail in the video? I know that trail all too well. Im sold on the lectron if it helps that much through that...
Was that Troll Trail in the video? I know that trail all too well.

Im sold on the lectron if it helps that much through that trail!
haha there was a touch of troll in the video but majority of the trails were shot at metcalf on the single track there after a rain which was greattt!

Also - I'll be updating every few weeks with new video of riding as my bike gets more built and weather gets better for riding! I'll be including some footage from 408mx soon too! Thanks for all the feedback folks! Keep on Rippin!
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12/1/2014 2:31pm
I think I may need one of those for my 04 Cr250. The only thing I've done to the motor was add a PC pipe and a shorty. I'm sure it would wake my bike up along with some other mods.
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Redrcr34 wrote:
I think I may need one of those for my 04 Cr250. The only thing I've done to the motor was add a PC pipe and...
I think I may need one of those for my 04 Cr250. The only thing I've done to the motor was add a PC pipe and a shorty. I'm sure it would wake my bike up along with some other mods.
Dude yea must have for sure with that setup! You got any pics?

Here: Call David for info an pricing 254.857.3828 just tell him Shelby gave you his info!
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Redrcr34 wrote:
I think I may need one of those for my 04 Cr250. The only thing I've done to the motor was add a PC pipe and...
I think I may need one of those for my 04 Cr250. The only thing I've done to the motor was add a PC pipe and a shorty. I'm sure it would wake my bike up along with some other mods.
ginger969 wrote:
Dude yea must have for sure with that setup! You got any pics? Here: Call David for info an pricing 254.857.3828 just tell him Shelby gave...
Dude yea must have for sure with that setup! You got any pics?

Here: Call David for info an pricing 254.857.3828 just tell him Shelby gave you his info!
I'm going to look in to that. Here is my bike. I just ordered a set 22mm red triple clamps from ride engineering


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12/1/2014 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 12/1/2014 2:49pm
I guess they can tell me exactly what would be the best setup carb, I saw there are several different ones on their website
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Redrcr34 wrote:
I guess they can tell me exactly what would be the best setup carb, I saw there are several different ones on their website
WOW your bike is pristine!!!! I love that man looks great!

yeah just talk to David he helped explain things to me and was great when I had questions too! I believe you'll want the 38mm short slide carb w/ the throttle cable but ask him to make sure. Let me know how she runs if you do it!
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12/1/2014 2:55pm
One would think they'd be a sponsor at something like the 2 Stroke Nationals...
they are huge in the drag, hillclimb, dunes, salt flat, ect. scene. basically anything top end power.
but i agree, they need to get into mx more. i'm planning on putting one on my 500AF
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Redrcr34 wrote:
I guess they can tell me exactly what would be the best setup carb, I saw there are several different ones on their website
ginger969 wrote:
WOW your bike is pristine!!!! I love that man looks great! yeah just talk to David he helped explain things to me and was great when...
WOW your bike is pristine!!!! I love that man looks great!

yeah just talk to David he helped explain things to me and was great when I had questions too! I believe you'll want the 38mm short slide carb w/ the throttle cable but ask him to make sure. Let me know how she runs if you do it!
Hey thanks, I'm going to do some reading up on these carbs. For sure I will give David a call. Your so lucky to be able to ride all year round. It's 27 degrees here and spring is a long way off.Unsure
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12/1/2014 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 12/1/2014 3:02pm
Redrcr34 wrote:
I guess they can tell me exactly what would be the best setup carb, I saw there are several different ones on their website
ginger969 wrote:
WOW your bike is pristine!!!! I love that man looks great! yeah just talk to David he helped explain things to me and was great when...
WOW your bike is pristine!!!! I love that man looks great!

yeah just talk to David he helped explain things to me and was great when I had questions too! I believe you'll want the 38mm short slide carb w/ the throttle cable but ask him to make sure. Let me know how she runs if you do it!
Redrcr34 wrote:
Hey thanks, I'm going to do some reading up on these carbs. For sure I will give David a call. Your so lucky to be able...
Hey thanks, I'm going to do some reading up on these carbs. For sure I will give David a call. Your so lucky to be able to ride all year round. It's 27 degrees here and spring is a long way off.Unsure
Where abouts are you? My wife and I are actually considering moving to Boise Idaho area bc housing prices in the Bay Area are ridiculous haha

NVM just read IL haha my bad...
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One thing I don't like about my motor is there is not much top end. It seems to rev out too quick.
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12/1/2014 3:04pm Edited Date/Time 12/1/2014 3:55pm
Yeah illinois for 5 more years, Going to a warmer climate, maybe south or west.
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12/1/2014 3:05pm
Redrcr34 wrote:
One thing I don't like about my motor is there is not much top end. It seems to rev out too quick.
Yeah I noticed personally more overrev and pull through the end of the power with both my FMF gnarly and turbine Core 2 as well as my Pro Circuit works and R304 shorty setup.
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Redrcr34 wrote:
One thing I don't like about my motor is there is not much top end. It seems to rev out too quick.
ginger969 wrote:
Yeah I noticed personally more overrev and pull through the end of the power with both my FMF gnarly and turbine Core 2 as well as...
Yeah I noticed personally more overrev and pull through the end of the power with both my FMF gnarly and turbine Core 2 as well as my Pro Circuit works and R304 shorty setup.
That sounds great
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12/1/2014 3:19pm
The only issue I heard with this or the APT Smart carb (cant remember which) is some bikes it doesnt quite fit (too tall or long).
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YZ125H1 wrote:
The only issue I heard with this or the APT Smart carb (cant remember which) is some bikes it doesnt quite fit (too tall or long).
I heard that is the case with some models as well...I'm not certain with the APT smart carbs but with the Lectron Carbs I was able to order the "short" model which fit nicely into my boots on my CR. Not sure about other bikes though, would def have to talk to them.
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Cool dog man!
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12/1/2014 3:49pm
Damnit, another thing I wanna buy now.
12/1/2014 3:53pm
While living in Bakersfield in the late 60's - early 70's , we used to run into Sparky and Red Edmonston at the local TT races.

I believe Red conceived the original design of that carb in 1969, and made a few later versions of it, before selling the rights to Lectron in '73-'74.

Sparky was hired by Lectron do help with further development.

Long , long ago.

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