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devindavis410 10/18/2008 11:56pm
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Elsinore looks just gnarly, ive ridden there once and it was huge jumps.. err i was begginer back then..(keaton ward, randi kiesel photo)



theyre alot more deaths at glen helen then anywhere else.
poor water guys, gets rough/slick, almost everyone there is A/B, etc.
xnationalwrench 10/19/2008 5:36am
10/19/2008 5:36am
One of the worst tracks back in the day was Claude Osteen's Cycle Park. No one was killed but broken legs abounded there of course that was in the short travel days also. They had a down hill that went across a dirt road that had even the Pro's doing a front wheel wheelie and then while on the front wheel going off the other side drop off and catching a big rut below the road.
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`ol Ger 10/19/2008 6:05am
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Most dangerous? All of `em. That's why we like it.



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Tiki wrote:
Complaining about Motocross tracks? Moto has become lame, Non Moto has jumped the shark the dungeon has become vacant, maybe I hit a notch in life...
Complaining about Motocross tracks? Moto has become lame, Non Moto has jumped the shark the dungeon has become vacant, maybe I hit a notch in life but this place has edged into pussyville. Remember when danger was what you wanted? It was asked for and provided. Now people are complaining.

Motocross has always been a sport of gladiators. Strong individuals. More pissing and whining here then I can tolerate. I will be back after the cotton cork gets pulled out for the month.

This isn't even humorous. Its really sad if you want to know. Thank goodness I dont have children to see this.
You sir are 1 0 0 % correct!!!!!!

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coronadelmarmx 10/19/2008 8:26am
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A moment of silence for Elsinore....It was the place I relearned MX after college. I had numerous friends convinced i was addicted to painpills since I was getting hurt so much pushing the envelope every weekend.


The 2 reasons Elsinore ws good was:


1 Proximity with a small window for that glorious year Saddleback was up


2 Size How fun is a place when you can have 13 of your friends racing on the main track, banging bars, block passing, etc and everyone having a blast. That place is 4 bikes wide and multiple lines. you can pass back and forth 6 times a lap safely.


They catered to those damn side by sides and took the whole track out except for a 115 ft step up?


It looks like it may be better again since it became a ghost town and undeerwater.


Its fun when its good but hell when its not


Remember, having fun at a track means having friends to block pass or t bone, and then laugh about it on the tailgate 10 minutes later.
knowitallnovice 10/19/2008 8:31am
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Motocross has become a sport of sissy's huh?

That's why in order to win a local beginner class race today ya gotta huck 60 foot blind and downhill triples in to braker bumped out landings.

The AMA National Champions didn't go that large in the late 70's.

Sure the equipment has changed but the balls have gotten bigger.

Sorry old schoolers, the shit is major now.

Course those beginners are sandbaggin but....jus sayin.
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Slow ~ Pro 10/19/2008 8:41am
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knowitallnovice wrote:
Motocross has become a sport of sissy's huh? That's why in order to win a local beginner class race today ya gotta huck 60 foot blind...
Motocross has become a sport of sissy's huh?

That's why in order to win a local beginner class race today ya gotta huck 60 foot blind and downhill triples in to braker bumped out landings.

The AMA National Champions didn't go that large in the late 70's.

Sure the equipment has changed but the balls have gotten bigger.

Sorry old schoolers, the shit is major now.

Course those beginners are sandbaggin but....jus sayin.
I agree, it has changed.

But again, true Motocross, (that is nowhere to be found these days) does not consist of man made jumps, and berms.

Real Motocross, is laid out on natural terrain, with simple markers for turns, and straights. No dozers, or loaders.

Speed makes for better racing, always has.
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calimxer91 10/19/2008 10:08am
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Ya , If ur not gettin landed on ur a pussy , If u know somebody who got hurt at a track due to incompetence well suck it up. If the track owners thought like some of u guys man this is a dumb sport,
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
I agree, it has changed. But again, true Motocross, (that is nowhere to be found these days) does not consist of man made jumps, and berms...
I agree, it has changed.

But again, true Motocross, (that is nowhere to be found these days) does not consist of man made jumps, and berms.

Real Motocross, is laid out on natural terrain, with simple markers for turns, and straights. No dozers, or loaders.

Speed makes for better racing, always has.
Face it, you're an old fugger that is holding on to the past. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It is what it is, you know what to do.
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Slow ~ Pro 10/19/2008 10:48am
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
I agree, it has changed. But again, true Motocross, (that is nowhere to be found these days) does not consist of man made jumps, and berms...
I agree, it has changed.

But again, true Motocross, (that is nowhere to be found these days) does not consist of man made jumps, and berms.

Real Motocross, is laid out on natural terrain, with simple markers for turns, and straights. No dozers, or loaders.

Speed makes for better racing, always has.
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Face it, you're an old fugger that is holding on to the past. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It is what it is...
Face it, you're an old fugger that is holding on to the past. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It is what it is, you know what to do.
Oh, this is true, I am old...
But I was racing before Motocross came to the states, and still race today. Few can say that.

I admit, I am not one who will hang it out and jump huge jumps. That is for the younger guys...But I want to race their fathers...where are they ?

I am by far the fast guy on the track. But I am on the track.
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calimxer91 10/19/2008 10:55am
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I can only hope im on the track for that long! Good for you sir!
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Slow ~ Pro wrote:
Oh, this is true, I am old... But I was racing before Motocross came to the states, and still race today. Few can say that. I...
Oh, this is true, I am old...
But I was racing before Motocross came to the states, and still race today. Few can say that.

I admit, I am not one who will hang it out and jump huge jumps. That is for the younger guys...But I want to race their fathers...where are they ?

I am by far the fast guy on the track. But I am on the track.
I'm just a ball buster. I got nothing but respect for you still out there hammering down. I will be a grumpy ol coot someday too! I kid, I kid.
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bvm111 10/19/2008 11:04am
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Out of all my trips to the ER and OR..... only one happened at race speed. Every other one was when i was just out "messing" around on the track, or wanted to do just one more lap when i knew i was fried and couldnt. I guess what im trying to say is, its a dangerous sport, and I think when people push pass their limits ACCIDENTS happen.
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Linas 10/19/2008 11:51am
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That a serious track you have.



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Dirtysmile56 10/19/2008 12:00pm
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News Flash guys! moto is frickin dangerous!! Everytime you throw a leg over the bike regardless of the track, there is a better chance than not that you will be seriously injured. I believe there can be risk management at tracks, but the main responsibility lies with the one who is riding. As far as Elsinore goes yeah the jumps are huge, but they are some of the safest most finely crafted jumps I have ever launched. The problem is the adobe clay that sets up as the hot sun beats down on it. If you can't handle that, don't ride there, I know alot of guys who won't ride there. I had my biggest injury ever at Elsinore and it was on one of the smallest jumps on the track (the vet track) I was all by myself (and the moto Gods frowned on me that day as wildbill says lol). I blame it on no one but pure circumstances, conditions and some small rider error that stacked up to fracture my pelvis ,hip, two femur breaks and the humorus. Dec 30 is my two year anniversary and I just finished my third ride back yesterday at Mountain View MX, I'll never feel as good as I did, but I cannot give it up, the smile it puts on my face is unmistakeable. Even my wife see's it and supports me.

It's good to be back Smile !!!!!
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How do you people in California tell where the track is and isn't without grass?
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Slow ~ Pro 10/19/2008 12:47pm
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Dirtysmile56 wrote:
News Flash guys! moto is frickin dangerous!! Everytime you throw a leg over the bike regardless of the track, there is a better chance than not...
News Flash guys! moto is frickin dangerous!! Everytime you throw a leg over the bike regardless of the track, there is a better chance than not that you will be seriously injured. I believe there can be risk management at tracks, but the main responsibility lies with the one who is riding. As far as Elsinore goes yeah the jumps are huge, but they are some of the safest most finely crafted jumps I have ever launched. The problem is the adobe clay that sets up as the hot sun beats down on it. If you can't handle that, don't ride there, I know alot of guys who won't ride there. I had my biggest injury ever at Elsinore and it was on one of the smallest jumps on the track (the vet track) I was all by myself (and the moto Gods frowned on me that day as wildbill says lol). I blame it on no one but pure circumstances, conditions and some small rider error that stacked up to fracture my pelvis ,hip, two femur breaks and the humorus. Dec 30 is my two year anniversary and I just finished my third ride back yesterday at Mountain View MX, I'll never feel as good as I did, but I cannot give it up, the smile it puts on my face is unmistakeable. Even my wife see's it and supports me.

It's good to be back Smile !!!!!
Welcome back...it's tough to stay away.
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Slow ~ Pro 10/19/2008 12:49pm
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123 wrote:
How do you people in California tell where the track is and isn't without grass?
We're in California, don't you know we prefer blow ?

Oh, that's not what you meant huh ?

We have cute little flags, and ribbons, to line our courses.
Water restrictions prevent the tracks from watering...But the good news is, we race all year long. NO snow days !!!

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calimxer91 10/19/2008 1:01pm
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Bushwood has a good post on Rick Siemens thoughts about it.
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devindavis410 wrote:
Elsinore looks just gnarly, ive ridden there once and it was huge jumps.. err i was begginer back then..(keaton ward, randi kiesel photo) theyre alot more...
Elsinore looks just gnarly, ive ridden there once and it was huge jumps.. err i was begginer back then..(keaton ward, randi kiesel photo)



theyre alot more deaths at glen helen then anywhere else.
poor water guys, gets rough/slick, almost everyone there is A/B, etc.
i hit that 3yrs ago.......its not as bad as it looks come up a little short and your still o.k........4th pinned on a 250f
sbarrington314 10/19/2008 5:09pm
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devindavis410 wrote:
Elsinore looks just gnarly, ive ridden there once and it was huge jumps.. err i was begginer back then..(keaton ward, randi kiesel photo) theyre alot more...
Elsinore looks just gnarly, ive ridden there once and it was huge jumps.. err i was begginer back then..(keaton ward, randi kiesel photo)



theyre alot more deaths at glen helen then anywhere else.
poor water guys, gets rough/slick, almost everyone there is A/B, etc.
dunn2500 wrote:
i hit that 3yrs ago.......its not as bad as it looks come up a little short and your still o.k........4th pinned on a 250f
i dont think big jumps make a dangerous track. most people will just roll it and not even think about hitting it. a little track around here called malvern is rediculous. easiest track ive ever ridden. them ktm 50s can jump everything there. but the place is a highway. way way too fast. they mine as well pave the place. thats what makes it dangerous.
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YZ441 10/19/2008 5:20pm
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was it at sandy valley? i've seen two or three people get paraylzed there from the gravity cavity. but i am curious to know what track it was at and what number he was? i'm orignally from vegas so it would suck if it was one of my friends.
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Sonny 10/19/2008 7:09pm
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Out east we have our share of sketchy tracks. Infact, Lifestar was at this track in Connecticut the 2 times I was there this year. It has a nasty 105 foot double that a person was landed on that day. The owner makes it look easy but he's a long time pro. Just have to ride within your limits, I guess. Make good decisions and any track could become fun

knowitallnovice 10/19/2008 7:46pm
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Know a guy.....a novice actually who hucked that double at Dusty Hill.

Shattered his leg......never gonna be the same.

Dusty Hill should never ever have a jump like that on a track like that. Especially with it's beginner clientel.

I guess Lorusso has good insurance or an excellent waiver.
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Sonny 10/20/2008 8:50pm
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Dusty Hill? I think it's CT river MX. But that is Lorusso for sure. I know I signed an extensive waiver before I rode there. Lorusso has done an excellent job of keeping a kids track, adult track and quads on separate days for safety reasons. Every time I go there, he's working like a dog. And friendly as hell.

I just don't feel safe on that big ass jump, so I'll refrain. Like more people should do.

BTW. I checked out SX results from the late 90's the other day. Lorusso wasn't too shabby. Great results running a 125. I know track owners who never threw a leg over a bike.
Maybe thats why this track is planned out so well.
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mxjef 10/20/2008 9:19pm
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Elsinore Big Huck #2





This is the jump a couple years ago, the jump was safe for how big it is. But I haven't been there in over a year. Sometimes straights are just as dangerous as big jumps, I've been on crutches for the last month and a half from crashing down a straight.
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mx317 10/21/2008 3:46am
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I'm going to name drop a little but I was introduced to the late Dave Coombs by my friend Kevin Foley. He was dating Dave's daughter Kerri Jo at the time. The conversation turned to track design and he said he built a track that 70% of the riders did ALL the jumps (excluding small bikes). This kept it fun and safe as possible. Why build a track for pros when most of your riders (customers) are weekend warriors? Smart people don't put a BMW dealership in a slum area. Rip it, disc it, water it, and run a tight program and you will draw crowds. I'm Mike Taylor and I approve this message.

Transientthought 10/21/2008 4:13am
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Why does any local track have gaps? Fill them all in so the different skill level of riders can single, double, triple or quad them. They...
Why does any local track have gaps? Fill them all in so the different skill level of riders can single, double, triple or quad them. They can still have definition, just not the do or die gaps. Tracks can still be safe while being challenging. Wouldn't call it whining Tiki, just a lot of people fed up with no place to ride for one reason or another. If it's not the noise or the dust, it's the lawsuits from the injuries. Don't even bring up the "track suing scum" topics, we all know they are out there and they show up at local tracks on a daily basis. Someday, the few remaining tracks might figure it out.
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Did you look at the pic. That track looks like they have taken all the safety precautions that they could with out making it into a...
Did you look at the pic. That track looks like they have taken all the safety precautions that they could with out making it into a rolling endoro track. All the landings are long and safe. The tripple is almost not a tripple at all. The whoops are all facing into the a safe direction. What else do you want? This sport isnt safe. Go race harescrambles if you don't like the thrill of death. We are thrill junkies. I'd do something else if I didn't get a good thrill out of riding the piss out of a bike. Any bike. The 4 bangers take some of the thrill out of it but you just gota twist it harder.
In case you did not know this harescrambles today are not what they were 20 years ago just as moto today is not the same as it was 20 years ago. Modern Harescrambles are not slow poking through the woods on a trail ride. Instead off road races are every bit as intense as motocross from the racers perspective. I practice all motocross, but race both and when I come out to ride moto tracks I sometimes leave the handguards on just to embarrass all the whiney chumps who think they are hardcore even more. People who use words like Hardcore and thrill junkies are usually the ones with beer cans in the bed of the pick-up, a confederate flag sticker somewhere, and a cigarette poking out of a 3/4 helmet or a backwards baseball cap, rolling jumps or falling down then telling their buddies how awesome they are.. Please do not insult other disciplines within the sport of motocycling that you obviously know nothing about because if you got a 'thrill' out of thinking you would know better.
Transientthought 10/21/2008 4:19am
10/21/2008 4:19am
The most dangerous thing about motocross is wussified people on vitural motocross tracks a.k.a motoforums who have nothing better to do than complain about every minute detail of life.

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