Breaking James Stewart News

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10/16/2014 7:40am
Makes me wonder how many other riders are taking the same medication as James
gsxrcr28 wrote:
According to Steve Cox, lots of riders take the same medication. They may not have TUE's either, being Josh Grant said the rules need to be...
According to Steve Cox, lots of riders take the same medication.

They may not have TUE's either, being Josh Grant said the rules need to be more clear and James saying he never knew anything about a TUE.
hvaughn88 wrote:
In a professional sport that drug tests, if you don't know the rules, that's on you. This isn't a weekend hobby. This is their careers. They...
In a professional sport that drug tests, if you don't know the rules, that's on you. This isn't a weekend hobby. This is their careers. They should know.
Of coarse it is.

I never said there shouldn't be a penalty. I think it's good they have different levels of penalties though.
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10/16/2014 7:55am
Kawaboy14 wrote:
A properly applied for TUE would have to be accepted. Hopefully just a little slap on the wrist for an obviously prescribed medication would be all...
A properly applied for TUE would have to be accepted. Hopefully just a little slap on the wrist for an obviously prescribed medication would be all that is applied as a penalty.

Getting a prescription for that stuff is like getting a disabled parking sticker, simple to get.
Makes me wonder how many other riders are taking the same medication as James
I'm sure a ton. While I wouldn't call it cheating, make no mistake, Adderall is most definitly a performance enhancing drug. It's straight speed. Ever taken a 20mg Adderall? You are fuckin jammin. All across the board, all sports, no doubt in my mind.
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10/16/2014 7:56am
enketchum wrote:
I hope he is still banned

Rules r rules
You and TripleFive need to get a room. Seriously.
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10/16/2014 8:06am
CR250Rider wrote:
So he still is waiting on the penalty for his violation but is cleared for future racing with adderall?
FroDiddy wrote:
That's what it sounds like. Likely a fine and we're off to Anaheim.

The field is in trouble.
Crush wrote:
Really?

He's been on the gate for a while
Yeah when was the last time "the field was in trouble" when james was on the gate for a full series. I don't even remember off the top of my head when the last time he was in contention for a championship with a round or two to go was. James is an amazing rider and I'm so excited he may be racing SX but why do people act like there's a good chance he will be in it at the end?

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Yeah, it's not like NFL players are knocking their wives out cold and dragging them out of an elevator or anything.......I think Motocross will be just...
Yeah, it's not like NFL players are knocking their wives out cold and dragging them out of an elevator or anything.......I think Motocross will be just fine, bud. The thing you fail to realize is that nobody except the people on this forum actually give a flying fuck about it. Walk down the street and ask 10 people who Ryan Villopoto is....
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10/16/2014 8:11am
TDeath21 wrote:
Like I said in the other thread before it got taken off, this looks bad for our sport. Real bad.
BobbyM wrote:
Bullshit... Worse than you racing motocross? Get off yer high horse for fuck sakes.
Yeah, it's not like NFL players are knocking their wives out cold and dragging them out of an elevator or anything.......I think Motocross will be just...
Yeah, it's not like NFL players are knocking their wives out cold and dragging them out of an elevator or anything.......I think Motocross will be just fine, bud. The thing you fail to realize is that nobody except the people on this forum actually give a flying fuck about it. Walk down the street and ask 10 people who Ryan Villopoto is....
9 out of 10 said they knew who he is.
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10/16/2014 8:12am
BobbyM wrote:
9 out of 10 said they knew who he is.
Yeah, in fuckin Murrieta, CA? Temecula perhaps?
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10/16/2014 8:18am
Bro, its sick gun workout day! Bi's and Tri's swoll
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Camp332 wrote:
Bro, its sick gun workout day! Bi's and Tri's swoll
Bro, you're all glamour muscles.
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Camp332 wrote:
Bro, its sick gun workout day! Bi's and Tri's swoll
Bro, you're all glamour muscles.
Show of Force, breaux.
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10/16/2014 8:41am
Sh!t I want the adderall now too.

Are there any long-term health risks I should worry about? I mean what's the downside? Seriously.
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Camp332 wrote:
Bro, its sick gun workout day! Bi's and Tri's swoll
Bro, you're all glamour muscles.
Why you gotta cut in on me all sideways Bro!?
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10/16/2014 8:50am
CR250Rider wrote:
Sh!t I want the adderall now too.

Are there any long-term health risks I should worry about? I mean what's the downside? Seriously.
I wonder how many mini-parents are running to their doctors now?
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10/16/2014 9:02am
I can't believe the amount of negativity in this thread. There is a chance that we may get one of the top riders back in the line up for 2015....and people are mad about it. For me It all boils down to.....more riders , better racing. So as a fan of the sport ....the more the merrier.
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10/16/2014 9:05am
Camp332 wrote:
Bro, its sick gun workout day! Bi's and Tri's swoll
Bro, you're all glamour muscles.
Camp332 wrote:
Why you gotta cut in on me all sideways Bro!?
Bro, I seen you at the Paramus Bally's. Do you even juice?
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Bro, you're all glamour muscles.
Camp332 wrote:
Why you gotta cut in on me all sideways Bro!?
Bro, I seen you at the Paramus Bally's. Do you even juice?
Bro I squatted 300kg last night... fucking gains!!!!
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10/16/2014 9:10am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 9:12am
Zracer wrote:
If they just sweep it under the rug, mx is one step closer to WWE and one step further from legitimate sports. I bet theres a...
If they just sweep it under the rug, mx is one step closer to WWE and one step further from legitimate sports. I bet theres a bunch of WWE fans in here.
ima wwe fan & a pro wrestling fan in general Smile Smile Cool & no wwe would either release their contract or devalue their "push" with situations like this
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10/16/2014 9:14am
CR250Rider wrote:
Sh!t I want the adderall now too.

Are there any long-term health risks I should worry about? I mean what's the downside? Seriously.
Im sure your boy Richard Sherman has plenty to share Laughing Laughing
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10/16/2014 9:15am
I'm glad he's back.
Enjoy watching James before he retires!

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10/16/2014 9:25am
Crush wrote:
Don't they have wild card tests too... It's usually like podium or top 5 and then a couple whoevers isn't it...
O___o wrote:
Might be.

Am I the only one who noticed that both James and Malcolm ducked out of racing at the same time with severe dehydration?

Crush wrote:
You mean after Millville?

Yeah. LIke I said, they're all over the ins and outs of that rule apparently.
Malcolm was "ducking" right? Lol...ignorance
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10/16/2014 9:27am
Kongols, serious question....why are you so upset about this "leaked information" and how do you know it was leaked by an inebriated industry insider? Was the "leaked information" inaccurate?

I don't want to argue with you, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
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10/16/2014 9:30am
They finally got one right, kudos. Now lets go racing and leave the drama behind...jeeeez.
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mx_563 wrote:
Kongols, serious question....why are you so upset about this "leaked information" and how do you know it was leaked by an inebriated industry insider? Was the...
Kongols, serious question....why are you so upset about this "leaked information" and how do you know it was leaked by an inebriated industry insider? Was the "leaked information" inaccurate?

I don't want to argue with you, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
Have you ever been in an argument with a drunken mess of a woman with mascara stained tears running down her cheeks and bright red lipstick smeared around her mouth, and she is trying to convince you that somehow it is your fault that she got kicked out of the club for throwing up on the dance floor? There is no point in trying to understand where she is coming from at that moment.

Now, back to the subject at hand, do you really want to try to understand where Kongols is coming from?
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10/16/2014 9:43am
To the people saying they wish the powers in charge would throw the book at him: Do you think they flipped a coin and tails was they let his TUE be OK now?

I would be willing to bet they likely had an in depth investigation to make sure he did for sure have the medication prescribed for a serious reason. I'm going to trust the powers whom decided that he did not take it for a cheating purpose. I'm going to guess that they will put him on a very serious probation with the stipulation that he better not f*ck up again.

Call me naive if you want. I'm just stoked that one of the greatest legends to ever throw their leg over a motorcycle is going to line up A1 (and possibly this weekend).
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10/16/2014 9:49am
However much moto is paying for all of this testing, to me it is the biggest waste of revenue ever created!
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10/16/2014 10:00am
Not sure why people are upset other than they just don't like the dude or they don't understand the WADA regime. The rules are pretty clear that first time sanctions can range from loss of event results with no ban going forward to a two year suspension. That's what options they consider, and apparently did (or are going to do),once they had all the facts surrounding the use and the test ~ something the people here crowing for harsh punishment lack knowledge of.

And seriously, the "if this had happened to X or Y they'd have been skinned" line just reveals people's hostility to Stewart, or their ignorance of the process. As people pointed out repeatedly, WADA will go around a sanctioning body to seek stiffer penalties if it believes the sanctioning body has let a star off too lightly. And the notion that some lesser rider in exactly the same circumstances would be treated more harshly completely begs the question of what it was in fact-specific terms would lead to the penalty as it eventually is assessed against Stewart.

Based on what I've heard about what happened at the test and before the provisional was publicized (and assuming that was true), what looks like is unfolding is fair result. Though, in truth, we really don't know precisely what's unfolding because it hasn't been finalized, right?

So, as usual, people are backfilling that vacuum of information with whatever speculation sustains their 14 year pissing match about Stewart.
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10/16/2014 10:01am
Kawaboy14 wrote:
However much moto is paying for all of this testing, to me it is the biggest waste of revenue ever created!
Agree with that.
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10/16/2014 10:06am Edited Date/Time 10/16/2014 10:07am
man i just love watching james ride. stoked! remember toronto? nobody in history can show skill like that!
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Crush wrote:
Why the feck would I be butthurt. Butthurt is what the JS7 fanboys would have been if he was banned. I just think the sport is...
Why the feck would I be butthurt.

Butthurt is what the JS7 fanboys would have been if he was banned.

I just think the sport is bigger than a rider who has chosen to go about the rules.
do you know the difference between the "spirit" of the law, and the "letter" of the law?

what kind of society do you want to live in? I know I want to live in a society where people understand the motivation for the rules, that way they can be individually applied, instead of enforcing them on principle alone.

the point of drug testing is to prevent unregulated performance enhancers. It appears that James drug use, was in fact regulated, and not just by media accounts, but by the god damn logic presented by the various pieces of this story.

For me it's simple...If he did have a legitimate reason to use a drug, and that drug can be exempted for competition, then what difference does it make to his competition? Is the point of drug testing not to make competition fair? or is the point of drug testing to make sure you follow the drug testing rules accordingly?

...and on another note, if someone can use this drug with an exemption, your ok with that? Are you ok with some guys getting an advantage just because they have doctor say so?

You are butthurt. I know this because your projecting your resentment. If you wanted to argue that James should be punished because he didn't file his necessary paperwork, that is a valid argument, but any other argument is nonsense.
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mx_563 wrote:
Kongols, serious question....why are you so upset about this "leaked information" and how do you know it was leaked by an inebriated industry insider? Was the...
Kongols, serious question....why are you so upset about this "leaked information" and how do you know it was leaked by an inebriated industry insider? Was the "leaked information" inaccurate?

I don't want to argue with you, I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.
I think the notion is that test results are disclosed to an extremely limited group of people to protect the privacy of the parties until some initial process unfolds, including notification to the rider. Apparently someone in that need to know group breached that confidentiality, and once out the the gossip took hold (perhaps before Stew even knew of the result) before the violation otherwise would have been disclosed (if ever)..

It's actually a pretty severe failure of the due process and privacy regime that WADA has in place, in part to protect the athletes in the initial stages and also to bolster the apparent integrity of the process to generate fair results in terms of determining whether a violation occurred and what the appropriate penalty is under the facts. WADA seems to have a pretty sober sense of how it can interfere with an athlete's livelihood, and has those protections in place so that the stigma that an athlete will inevitably suffer under isn't put into public play until the proper procedures have taken place to substantiate the violation. An initial failed test usually is not that point of publication (although the process can run it's course pretty quickly thereafter).

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