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Dart Board 10/15/2014 8:36am
10/15/2014 8:36am
Common sense needs to be used. A heavy fine and probation for negligence for a first time offender who clearly wasn't trying to cheat.
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huck 10/15/2014 8:50am
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Common sense needs to be used. A heavy fine and probation for negligence for a first time offender who clearly wasn't trying to cheat.
As mom241 said...the TUE is one thing...but why didn't he disclose what drugs were in his system when he took the test?
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Kawaboy14 10/15/2014 8:57am
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he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of jail free card!

that being said I think the drug testing in moto is a joke!
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Kawaboy14 wrote:
he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of...
he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of jail free card!

that being said I think the drug testing in moto is a joke!
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription,
and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription ,
so the only mess up is the not disclosing it ...



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Tarz483 10/15/2014 9:07am
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so then how severe should the punishment be ?

in my opinion not very severe .
definetly not 2 years ..

maybe 1 race if that .. and donate some cash to the medics
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Kawaboy14 10/15/2014 9:10am
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he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of...
he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of jail free card!

that being said I think the drug testing in moto is a joke!
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however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription, and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription , so...
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription,
and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription ,
so the only mess up is the not disclosing it ...



it is illegal, unless he got a TUE.....did he get a TUE?
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walleyeguy 10/15/2014 9:16am
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No. It's against FIM rules.....NOT illegal. FIM are not law enforcement.
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Kawaboy14 wrote:
he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of...
he messed up.....for whatever reason, doesn't matter, he messed up. In the real world ignorance of the law/messin up doesn't get you a get out of jail free card!

that being said I think the drug testing in moto is a joke!
Tarz483 wrote:
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription, and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription , so...
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription,
and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription ,
so the only mess up is the not disclosing it ...



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it is illegal, unless he got a TUE.....did he get a TUE?
Agreed...but that's a cold, letter-of-the-law stance. The reason we have a legal system in this country is because nothing is black & white, cut & dried. There are always circumstances, situations & humanity to deal with. Bottom line is that at this time, nobody here (that will say) knows squat. I'm just hoping it will be a fair decision when the smoke clears, and that James is not merely made an example of.

And of course there will be detractors on both sides no matter how it goes.
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Kawaboy14 10/15/2014 9:21am
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walleyeguy wrote:
No. It's against FIM rules.....NOT illegal. FIM are not law enforcement.
they are for the sporting event!
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Kawaboy14 10/15/2014 9:22am
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Tarz483 wrote:
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription, and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription , so...
however in this case the mess up isn't illegal , with prescription,
and even ok to race with , if you have a prescription ,
so the only mess up is the not disclosing it ...



Kawaboy14 wrote:
it is illegal, unless he got a TUE.....did he get a TUE?
davistld01 wrote:
Agreed...but that's a cold, letter-of-the-law stance. The reason we have a legal system in this country is because nothing is black & white, cut & dried...
Agreed...but that's a cold, letter-of-the-law stance. The reason we have a legal system in this country is because nothing is black & white, cut & dried. There are always circumstances, situations & humanity to deal with. Bottom line is that at this time, nobody here (that will say) knows squat. I'm just hoping it will be a fair decision when the smoke clears, and that James is not merely made an example of.

And of course there will be detractors on both sides no matter how it goes.
I am not saying I agree with anything that is going on!
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TDeath21 10/15/2014 11:04am
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In other sports, a similar test like this will generally suspend you for at least 1/4 the season. There definitely needs to be some race suspensions to James, because that's the rules and you can't bend them for a big name star. It makes them all look terrible. It sucks for us fans, but if I were a betting man I'd say James won't be on the line at A1.
Graybeard 10/15/2014 11:35am
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"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see the best riders race. Or they keep their money and spend it somewhere else. If JS7 is not at MEC or SX over this, I'll take my money somewhere else.
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TDeath21 10/15/2014 11:41am
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Graybeard wrote:
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see...
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see the best riders race. Or they keep their money and spend it somewhere else. If JS7 is not at MEC or SX over this, I'll take my money somewhere else.
Actually, you do care about all of those companies. They make it all possible. I'd personally rather have one top guy out than I would have our sport be a joke and not hand out suspensions because it's a big name star. Rules are rules. They need to be followed and enforced.
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KTMShane699 10/15/2014 11:42am
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Graybeard wrote:
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see...
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see the best riders race. Or they keep their money and spend it somewhere else. If JS7 is not at MEC or SX over this, I'll take my money somewhere else.
As a fan (customer), you're free to not attend any event you'd like. There are fans that won't attend because a certain rider isn't going to be there, and those that will attend just because one is going to be there. Luckily, the majority of fans are going to go anyway to see the best riders that show up race. If you're support of the show is based on only one rider, that's a rather short sighted view that makes it crystal clear as to why our sport has struggled to gain popularity.

Simply admit you're a fan of the rider, and not the sport at that point. There is a difference between the two.

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Graybeard wrote:
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see...
"It sucks for the fans".......that's the whole point, fans don't give a damn about the FIM, WADA, or the ama, they pay their money to see the best riders race. Or they keep their money and spend it somewhere else. If JS7 is not at MEC or SX over this, I'll take my money somewhere else.
Clearly this is your choice. But, then, why have any drug testing at all? Are you of the position that the riders should be allowed to race without any consideration to the extent of artificial performance enhancing processes used?
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wagonmaster 10/15/2014 1:28pm
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Has there been anything official about the IV's between moto's or they just going to sweep it under the rug to me that seems like a bigger deal than a missing TUE.
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Robgvx 10/15/2014 1:56pm
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They only found Amphetamine. Not Adderall The Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) has advised US Supercross rider James Stewart that he is provisionally suspended pursuant to...
They only found Amphetamine. Not Adderall

The Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) has advised US Supercross rider James
Stewart that he is provisionally suspended pursuant to Article 7.6 of the FIM Anti-doping Code.
The decision to provisionally suspend Mr Stewart was taken following the receipt of a report
from the WADA accredited laboratory in Cologne indicating an Adverse Analytical Finding of
Amphetamine in a urine sample collected from him at an in-competition test carried out by
the FIM at the round of the Monster Energy AMA Supercross, an FIM World Championship held
at the Century Link Field, Seattle, Washington, on 12 April 2014.
Mr Stewart has the right to request and attend the analysis of his B sample.
A Provisional Suspension imposed by the FIM does not in any way prejudge the question as to
whether an anti-doping rule violation under Article 2 of the FIM Anti-Doping Code has actually
been committed. This question will be addressed by the FIM International Disciplinary Court
(CDI) when it adjudicates on the merits of the case.
Mr James Stewart is provisionally suspended with effect from 20 June until further notice.
Under the World Anti-Doping Code and the FIM Anti-Doping Code, the FIM is unable to provide
any additional information at this time.
As you say Fraser, he was found to have Amphetamine in his body. That we do know.

We also do know that he had no TUE.

The amphetamines may or may not be from Adderrall. I don't recall ever seeing an official statement confirming that was the drug. It could be, but it could also have been something else or even just straight Amphetamine. We don't know.

If it was Adderrall then either a) he had a legitimate prescription and medical need for the drug and merely failed to do the correct paperwork to obtain a TUE, (The JS7 fans' chosen option) or b) there was no TUE because he didn't have a prescription/medical need and was cheating. (The non-JS7 fans' option) But it can only be one or the other and we may never find out anyway because in the eyes of WADA both options equate to guilt.

I don't see how anyone here can state categorically that he was or wasn't cheating. The feeling I get from this board is that the general perception is that he wasn't cheating. Maybe he wasn't, but that really is only speculation. Nobody knows that he wasn't, (and one could argue that the evidence so far in terms of no TUE and no prescription published lends weight to the cheating conclusion more than the administrative error explanation).

Hopefully we will find out eventually because one explanation is far better than the other in terms of Stewart's legacy.





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Graybeard 10/15/2014 1:59pm
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TDeath, Shane, I get your side, but it's not just any rider we're talking about, and this situation specifically has become a joke. Look what these same groups (less the ama) did to cycling. They killed it from way up in their ivory tower and now they have another sport to kill. No thanks, like I said, I'll be out racing here in TX
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Alessi wins it all...
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I'm pulling for Trey Canard....but then you all knew that.....didn't you? Go Trey.
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rosebud441 10/15/2014 2:56pm
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Monster cannot have James winning and stealing all the limelight not to mention he's a RedBull guy.. The green claw smiles on and
all this bullshit has green slime all over it,,

I don't give a shit who wins... But I will be tuning in for the Supermini's..

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KTMShane699 10/15/2014 5:24pm
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Graybeard wrote:
TDeath, Shane, I get your side, but it's not just any rider we're talking about, and this situation specifically has become a joke. Look what these...
TDeath, Shane, I get your side, but it's not just any rider we're talking about, and this situation specifically has become a joke. Look what these same groups (less the ama) did to cycling. They killed it from way up in their ivory tower and now they have another sport to kill. No thanks, like I said, I'll be out racing here in TX
Got it. So since it's JS7 and not some "also ran" we should bend the rules and make exceptions. That establishes a great precedent for the sport. To say that "it's not just any rider we're talking about" leaves no question that you'd alter the outcome based on who gets caught if you made the ruling. The rules are the rules. They were violated. The penalty is coming...whatever it may be.

Do I feel that this situation should have taken this long to develop? I don't. I can't fathom what's taking so long and admit that it brings the creditability of the whole thing into question. Despite that, they're taking their time with the ruling. I'm sure they have their reasons. Some maybe valid. Some maybe not so valid. But the ruling will come down.

Be angry at the situation and the lack of information. The rider involved has absolutely ZERO to do with how someone should feel about it short of being disappointed that their favorite rider just might be tainted and not entirely on the "up and up" when it comes to their performance.

Shane

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