surprising reaction to Straight Rhythm

blowin_trannys wrote:

id rather watch heads up racing on a two lane jumpless rut/turn track. The strait rhythm racing was better then I though it would be, but...

id rather watch heads up racing on a two lane jumpless rut/turn track. The strait rhythm racing was better then I though it would be, but nothing special.

JeepnMike wrote:

Not totally on-topic of this thread but.. Poking around social media, and I am betting at least 80% of the people commenting on this event don't...

Not totally on-topic of this thread but.. Poking around social media, and I am betting at least 80% of the people commenting on this event don't know how to spell rhythm correctly.

GuyB wrote:

You're correct.

wagonmaster wrote:

Other than TP I wouldn't walk across the road to watch that

hvaughn88 wrote:

Why?

Crush wrote:

I wouldn't go that far but I was watching that attentively either. There were some cool moments but i'd have liked the track to be a...

I wouldn't go that far but I was watching that attentively either. There were some cool moments but i'd have liked the track to be a bit more unique...

Was thinking they should it as a barrel race. 2 or 3 lanes, some ridonkulous berms with some other weird obstacles, over/unders etc.

40Plus_922mx wrote:

Whats wrong with being gay?

40Plus_922mx wrote:

Whats wrong with being gay?

Mx4life320 wrote:

X2

Gay Doesnt Mean what you think it does.

daemon616 wrote:

I've watched the event three times or so. It was a bad ass event. I don't get the hate.

Crush wrote:

Do you have an adderall prescription? hehe

therealhammer wrote:

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible) I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea...

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible)

I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea of the cart was to make it easier for you guys to get around, so you didn't have to walk 3,000 feet from one end to the other.. The pens were to keep photographers who were after a certain shot from standing in the way of a TV camera that they might not realize they were blocking.. The staff photographers were able to roam freely as we had them on radios and should they get in the shot , we could have them move out of the way. That is nearly impossible with the amount of media we had there. With it being our event we also wanted to make sure they got the best shots that could be used for media globally for our event as well as potential photos for next years event promotions. Hope that all makes sense.

Regarding his photos being used without his permission. The only way photos made it up on the jumbo ton was when the person who took the photo tagged #straightrhythm in their post. During intermissions we would pick the best photos from the hash tagged photos and put them on the jumbotron while showing handle of the person who took them. Its new media and that happens at a lot of events.. including supercross on TV with FELD .

GuyB wrote:

Hammer, I wasn't knocking it, I was just trying to explain how it differed from the norm...and why it rubbed some the wrong way. I was...

Hammer, I wasn't knocking it, I was just trying to explain how it differed from the norm...and why it rubbed some the wrong way.

I was also there all day Friday and Saturday. It was a great event. I'll be honest, though, I go to made-for-TV events like the X Games (and yes, last weekend), with lowered expectations for creativity. Do I expect to get wide-angle shots at the lip of the jumps like at the demo events? Nope.

As far as the convenience factor...I don't need pampering. If I did, I wouldn't make it through 17 rounds of Supercross, or all 12 Nationals.

Wait, on second thought...

DC wrote:

Having been on both sides of the fence here, I understand why Simon was frustrated -- restrictions are hard to follow when others have more and...

Having been on both sides of the fence here, I understand why Simon was frustrated -- restrictions are hard to follow when others have more and better access, as well as the freedom to move around on your own to get the best shots -- and also the organizer's concerns: safety and the ensuing liability, blocking TV cameras, etc. It's tough to balance, whether it's an outdoor national or inside a stadium. You can't make everyone happy, but you don't want them to go away mad either.

Simon told me he posted this in a moment of frustration and I think he took it down. It was a long and hot couple of days, compounded by those other elements. He's a pro and has been at this for a long time, and I know he's voiced similar concerns to me about both supercross and the nationals -- he just wants to make better photos.

As for the hashtag thing, I think it was cool what #RedBull did with social media and sharing images with the fans on site. if anything it served as a commercial for Simon's shots, which he was posting with the hashtag for the event

Finally, who owns the photos? Technically the photographer, as the rider's pro license grants usage to news media, but that doesn't mean the photographer can make posters and prints or T-shirts of a shot and sell them -- those rights remain with the rider. And the riders want the exposure, as do their personal sponsors, not to mention the event organizers.

DC
MX Sports

GuyB wrote:

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that...

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that you had to be taken there by a cart. You also didn't have freedom to move from section-to-section by foot. You had to wait for a cart to pick you up.

Meanwhile, Red Bull's "official" photogs could roam at will. or parents of a rider could roam at will.

I think the straw that broke the camel's back for Simon was when they started featuring his photos on the TV broadcast...without compensation.

therealhammer wrote:

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible) I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea...

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible)

I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea of the cart was to make it easier for you guys to get around, so you didn't have to walk 3,000 feet from one end to the other.. The pens were to keep photographers who were after a certain shot from standing in the way of a TV camera that they might not realize they were blocking.. The staff photographers were able to roam freely as we had them on radios and should they get in the shot , we could have them move out of the way. That is nearly impossible with the amount of media we had there. With it being our event we also wanted to make sure they got the best shots that could be used for media globally for our event as well as potential photos for next years event promotions. Hope that all makes sense.

Regarding his photos being used without his permission. The only way photos made it up on the jumbo ton was when the person who took the photo tagged #straightrhythm in their post. During intermissions we would pick the best photos from the hash tagged photos and put them on the jumbotron while showing handle of the person who took them. Its new media and that happens at a lot of events.. including supercross on TV with FELD .

O___o wrote:

Motorcycle Racing Industry, If you do not like your jobs, I am sure there are more than one replacement for every one of your positions, from...

Motorcycle Racing Industry,

If you do not like your jobs, I am sure there are more than one replacement for every one of your positions, from mechanics, to riders ,to photogs, to gear reps, even the Energy Drink Girls.

sincerely,
Reality

TomZ wrote:

Nice to see you last weekend. Interesting to read through all the comments on the event. Perhaps some things will change for the next event.

TomZ wrote:

Nice to see you last weekend. Interesting to read through all the comments on the event. Perhaps some things will change for the next event.

GuyB wrote:

Good seeing you, too. Based on some conversations that have happened offline, media access might be a little more polished for next year.

GuyB wrote:

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that...

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that you had to be taken there by a cart. You also didn't have freedom to move from section-to-section by foot. You had to wait for a cart to pick you up.

Meanwhile, Red Bull's "official" photogs could roam at will. or parents of a rider could roam at will.

I think the straw that broke the camel's back for Simon was when they started featuring his photos on the TV broadcast...without compensation.

therealhammer wrote:

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible) I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea...

Guy B.. ( this all comes with the most respect possible)

I understand it was a challenge to be at that type of event. The idea of the cart was to make it easier for you guys to get around, so you didn't have to walk 3,000 feet from one end to the other.. The pens were to keep photographers who were after a certain shot from standing in the way of a TV camera that they might not realize they were blocking.. The staff photographers were able to roam freely as we had them on radios and should they get in the shot , we could have them move out of the way. That is nearly impossible with the amount of media we had there. With it being our event we also wanted to make sure they got the best shots that could be used for media globally for our event as well as potential photos for next years event promotions. Hope that all makes sense.

Regarding his photos being used without his permission. The only way photos made it up on the jumbo ton was when the person who took the photo tagged #straightrhythm in their post. During intermissions we would pick the best photos from the hash tagged photos and put them on the jumbotron while showing handle of the person who took them. Its new media and that happens at a lot of events.. including supercross on TV with FELD .

umagumadog wrote:

Seems bass ackwards to me. If your being honest about wanting to make sure everybody got the best shots that could be used for global media...

Seems bass ackwards to me. If your being honest about wanting to make sure everybody got the best shots that could be used for global media and future event promotions wouldn't it be more logical to simply mark off in some way the areas that would interfere with the TV cameras? I mean these guys are professionals do you think that if Red Bull had told them prior to the event what areas to avoid and explained to them why they would not have respected those guidelines? It doesn't make sense that if Red Bull really wanted the best media exposure possible that they would limit the ability of professional media to use their experience and creativity to cover and promote your event by "penning" them up in certain areas. And what about the parents was Red Bull not equally concerned about one of them getting in the way of the TV cameras while cheering on their rider?

The carts seem like a good idea but forcing the media to wait on them to move from one pen to another? Come on even a blind man can see through that BS. Is Red Bull really more worried about the convenience and well being of outside media than they are their own staff photographers? I mean the carts are a great idea but if what you say about wanting the media to get the best shots possible for coverage and promotion wouldn't they have been a "perk" and not a requirement? How many potential shots did they miss standing in the hot sun waiting to be transported from one pen to the next when they probably could have already been there if allowed to move freely?

In a nutshell Red Bull limited the outside media then profited freely on their hard work and experience.
Sorry Bro your post just pegged the bullshit meter.

therealhammer wrote:

And here we go.... 1. The ares we did mark off were the aforementioned " pens" that were on the drag strip, those designated spots were...

And here we go....

1. The ares we did mark off were the aforementioned " pens" that were on the drag strip, those designated spots were not on TV, hence why the media was encouraged to go there.

2. Not all media was endemic, there were outside media on site as well. We couldn't expect a photographer from say a local news paper to shoot this event and have a full understanding of what in the way of TV or even a dangerous position for him or the rider.

1B. again the Penning... was for safety and to avoid being on camera from a TV shot that you might not see behind you.

3. As for the parents. The only parent I saw was Mr.Hill.. Every rider was given a track pass for his mechanics or team member to be out on the track should a problem arise . If the rider chose to give it to their dad that is up to them. Big James Stewart was not out on the track.

4. Safety, risk are taking into account for everyone who is on track. Riders are riding back to the start , TV crews are driving carts, cable cams are over head and water trucks are rushing to get water down as quick as possible .Carts made the most sense to get people down the 3,000 feet of track. Maybe we should invite you to the next ideation meeting, seems like you have it all figured out.

5. Steve Cox who is not a staff photographer got Cycle news cover shot, so it was possible. Although probably safe to assume he wondered out of a pen a few times.

Getndome wrote:

Luckily this is a small sport so there probably won't be any backlash from the gay community lol

GuyB wrote:

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that...

Shooting had some unusual restrictions. There were a handful of photographer pens to shoot from. Not unusual for a made-for-TV event. What was odd was that you had to be taken there by a cart. You also didn't have freedom to move from section-to-section by foot. You had to wait for a cart to pick you up.

Meanwhile, Red Bull's "official" photogs could roam at will. or parents of a rider could roam at will.

I think the straw that broke the camel's back for Simon was when they started featuring his photos on the TV broadcast...without compensation.

Dx3moto wrote:

Tough weekend for photographers, great for the fans. It was silly of them to post Simon's photos on the jumbo tron, though.

Overdrive wrote:

I happen to agree with Simon.

O___o wrote:

Motorcycle Racing Industry, If you do not like your jobs, I am sure there are more than one replacement for every one of your positions, from...

Motorcycle Racing Industry,

If you do not like your jobs, I am sure there are more than one replacement for every one of your positions, from mechanics, to riders ,to photogs, to gear reps, even the Energy Drink Girls.

sincerely,
Reality

GuyB wrote:

And message board posters. Squash one bad account and another springs up.

Hallzilla wrote:

Good read, It amazes me that a thread like this get's sent to the dumgeon. Pretty twitchy trigger finger.