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Edited Date/Time 1/18/2012 1:20pm
Change is good.Wink
Change is good for the soul.
I believe (long over due) changes for
"Moto" will turn out to be good as well.
TV, awesome...
Class "re-names", awesome........
Saturday program, forward thinking...
More room for sponsors on the body panels, awesome...
(space is limited)......
It'll be interesting to see what comes next.
On to the future.Wink
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So is Sunday racing finished, or is it Saturday just for some races.

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KMC440 10/12/2008 5:36am
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This year just Red Bud on Sunday.

GH & M'Ville will be bitches to light.
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july 4 2009 is a saturday red bud is on saturday also

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When our current best rider and champion boycots the series at the ripe old age of 23 there is little to no hope for mx sports to pull this thing out of the gutter. Sit back and enjoy your 14 minute supercross and don't forget to thank the appropriate bike and gear mcf's for their SX ONLY support.

Yamaha. Suzuki. Thor. Answer.

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GuyB 10/12/2008 10:14am
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KMC440 wrote:
This year just Red Bud on Sunday.

GH & M'Ville will be bitches to light.
They didn't specify which races (if any) would be night shows. I wouldn't be surprised to see Colorado do it again, and I don't think there's any way Glen Helen could ever be a night show...at least in its current configuration.
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RMZ819 10/12/2008 11:47am
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Sat. racing WTF!! One thing that will change is the numbers at the gate. Get ready for a huge decline in the spectator count. Also, DC did not mentioned anything about payout to the riders. Looks like the riders are going to be racing for free again next yr.
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One day event is pure garbage. I'm going to drive 600 miles one way for one day's racing?

I knew these nascar guys were going to fuck this up.
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GuyB 10/12/2008 12:02pm
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Sometimes I'm amazed by how resistant people are to change.

A couple of you have mentioned that you think spectator counts will plummet for outdoor races if they're on Saturdays...why?

One thing that D.C. mentioned yesterday is that this is only the first batch of changes. I get the feeling that they're not done yet. We'll have to wait and see what else they have in the works.
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TerryK 10/12/2008 12:21pm
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I'm not resistant to change Steve, but I am resistant to change that I feel is detrimental, which some of these are...in spades. I guess I'm just a traditionalist and a purist of the sports roots.

What's next, the 1 moto format?
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englishman 10/12/2008 12:29pm
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Changing class names , allowing ads on side panels,racing Saurdays and having some live TV isn't exactly going to revolutionise outdoor MX .

I'm just saying we need more than some small refinements to give the outdoors a boost. I hope the next batch are a bit more grandiose .

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GuyB 10/12/2008 12:33pm
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I love the roots of the sport, too...particularly with some spinach, a little arugula, and a light balsamic vinegar dressing.

People grumped and moaned for a long time that nothing was changing. Now there are some things happening and people are grumping about that, too. Smile

I guess I'm looking for the reasons why they don't like it. Not just, "This sucks."

I'm a big fan of the new Saturday schedule. I'm sure the mechanics, riders, and team personnel will be, too. For those guys, that's too much practice, too many parts, too much time away from home.

I do have an interview with D.C. that I'll post this week...probably Tuesday.
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TerryK 10/12/2008 12:43pm
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It's not the day that's important, it's the ONE day event that worries me. THAT is changing the traditional way of doing things at a National. What worries me more, is WHY they are doing it. It's not for the riders, the teams or the live spectators, it's for TV ratings. Nothing more. Streamlining the sport as we know it it not the answer to the perceived drop in attendance. It troubles me that now that a foot has gotten in the door for sweeping change, it will run rampant and turn MX into glorified FMX for the masses. MX used to be cool because the average person didn't race or watch it. It's a classic case of be careful what you wish for. We all wanted mainstream exposure and respect and now we have it, but to what end?
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RMZ819 10/12/2008 12:46pm
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Changing class names , allowing ads on side panels,racing Saurdays and having some live TV isn't exactly going to revolutionise outdoor MX . I'm just saying...
Changing class names , allowing ads on side panels,racing Saurdays and having some live TV isn't exactly going to revolutionise outdoor MX .

I'm just saying we need more than some small refinements to give the outdoors a boost. I hope the next batch are a bit more grandiose .

Motocross is what it is. A non moto outside sponsor cannot relate with kids that never finished the 5th grade. The greatest thing DC could do to this sport is get the age to turn Pro get bumped up to 18. By the time a rider figures out how to do a simple interview and help the sport grow they retire.
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SPYGUY 10/12/2008 12:54pm
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TerryK wrote:
It's not the day that's important, it's the ONE day event that worries me. THAT is changing the traditional way of doing things at a National...
It's not the day that's important, it's the ONE day event that worries me. THAT is changing the traditional way of doing things at a National. What worries me more, is WHY they are doing it. It's not for the riders, the teams or the live spectators, it's for TV ratings. Nothing more. Streamlining the sport as we know it it not the answer to the perceived drop in attendance. It troubles me that now that a foot has gotten in the door for sweeping change, it will run rampant and turn MX into glorified FMX for the masses. MX used to be cool because the average person didn't race or watch it. It's a classic case of be careful what you wish for. We all wanted mainstream exposure and respect and now we have it, but to what end?
Personally, I don't care what they do as long as they don't mess with the racing. In 2009, the baddest ass riders on the planet (that want to be there) will line up and duke it out for 30 minutes plus 2 laps, twice. Frankly, I don't give a shit what they do before and afterwards.

I'd rather go watch a race on Saturday and then be home to ride / race myself on Sunday.

I don't think you have to worry. Motocross will never be mainstream. EVER. Bobby Labonte is on the box of cereal I ate this morning. Trust me, you'll never see Villapoto on a box of Cookie Crunch.

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RMZ819 wrote:
Motocross is what it is. A non moto outside sponsor cannot relate with kids that never finished the 5th grade. The greatest thing DC could do...
Motocross is what it is. A non moto outside sponsor cannot relate with kids that never finished the 5th grade. The greatest thing DC could do to this sport is get the age to turn Pro get bumped up to 18. By the time a rider figures out how to do a simple interview and help the sport grow they retire.
That would be a change I could live with. 16 is too young for that kind of responsibility.
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I'd second bumping up the age.

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GuyB wrote:
I love the roots of the sport, too...particularly with some spinach, a little arugula, and a light balsamic vinegar dressing.People grumped and moaned for a long...
I love the roots of the sport, too...particularly with some spinach, a little arugula, and a light balsamic vinegar dressing.

People grumped and moaned for a long time that nothing was changing. Now there are some things happening and people are grumping about that, too. Smile

I guess I'm looking for the reasons why they don't like it. Not just, "This sucks."

I'm a big fan of the new Saturday schedule. I'm sure the mechanics, riders, and team personnel will be, too. For those guys, that's too much practice, too many parts, too much time away from home.

I do have an interview with D.C. that I'll post this week...probably Tuesday.
Why not have the races on Tuesday? The overworked riders and mechinancs could be home for wednesday mass and have every weekend off. There is no conflict with nascar or the nfl. Of course the nba and nhl will anialatate the tv viewership.

Give me a break. I hope they didn't spend more than a 15 minute meeting making these "ground breaking" changes.

When the hell is the governing body of profesional motocross going to realize that the sport is supported soley by those who race and ride. They want us to drive 500 miles for a 7 hour event and then drive 500 back home on the same day? They actually think joe six pack watching Spode TV is going to be able to recognize the 4" sponsor logos on the side number plates of the bikes and run out to the local 7-11 and buy something? Hell you can't tell the bikes are even in the air watching it on tv.

GuyB. You take the high rode. We understand. I appreciate your efforts. You are one of maybe 10 people in the industry that is doing something for the fans of this sport.

Everything that has been anounced so far is for the riders, the teams, the sponsors.

NOTHING is about the fans. I could take the family anywhere on this earth twice a year for what we spend attending 4 Nationals per year.

They better build in a huge track owner allowance from all that sponsor money they are creating with these changes because nobody is going to drive more than 3 hours to attend the new format.



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Ashleymx 10/12/2008 1:28pm
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Saturday makes no difference to me at all but isnt Saturday pretty much a normal work day for most? How will all the spectators get the day off work to watch MX?
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flarider wrote:
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Saturday races is a good move.
Class names imo won't make any difference.
Side panel space? With out a "GOOD" TV package this really isn't going to change anything.
Night races? I think this will also be a good move.

The changes are positive step forward, but in my opinion a change in venues would help the outdoor series more than anything. They all need to be closer to major cities and not out in the middle of nowhere.
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mx317 10/12/2008 1:40pm
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Mo money, mo money, mo money when they have 600 to 800 rider turnouts for amateur day on Sunday.
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jmar 10/12/2008 1:43pm
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mx317 wrote:
Mo money, mo money, mo money when they have 600 to 800 rider turnouts for amateur day on Sunday.
That's a big plus for the track owner but really does nothing for the series.
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RMZ819 10/12/2008 2:23pm
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mx317 wrote:
Mo money, mo money, mo money when they have 600 to 800 rider turnouts for amateur day on Sunday.
jmar wrote:
That's a big plus for the track owner but really does nothing for the series.
Its not about the series. never has been never will be. Its all about the money. Promoter greed. DC once mentioned that sign ups for the pro's at the nationals should be free. Why has this never happened?? Because he is a PROMOTER!! When all and said is done Its about the money. The promoters get it and the riders don't. I find it amazing that the privateers waste there time money and there future in the work force for the sake of being irrelevant. If the privateers had half a brain they would stay home for a few weekends and let the 12 paid riders duke it out. It would be pretty boring if you ask me but they would for once be the pimp instead of the prostitute. If the privateer stayed home changes for them would follow.
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jmar 10/12/2008 2:55pm
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The problem with the promoters is that they will ban together and keep the venues at their tracks. New venues closer to major cities along with a good markting package is what this sport really needs.

BTW: You are right, the privateers should sit out, not one but two or three events.
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RMZ819 10/12/2008 4:01pm
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jmar wrote:
The problem with the promoters is that they will ban together and keep the venues at their tracks. New venues closer to major cities along with...
The problem with the promoters is that they will ban together and keep the venues at their tracks. New venues closer to major cities along with a good markting package is what this sport really needs.

BTW: You are right, the privateers should sit out, not one but two or three events.
You are 100% correct on the ole boys network for the promoters. I am not sure how you can own a publication 2 National tracks and run the National series with a open mind. IMO you can't !!!

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it may be selfish however i will miss spending the weekend at a national and i am going to miss watching the amature races along with the pit bike nat on saturday i am quite sure the sunday amature day will not have the turnout it gets now. none of the industry will be there, they will be long gone and so will most of the spectators.
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Ozzy wrote:
Change is good.;) Change is good for the soul. I believe (long over due) changes for "Moto" will turn out to be good as well. TV...
Change is good.Wink
Change is good for the soul.
I believe (long over due) changes for
"Moto" will turn out to be good as well.
TV, awesome...
Class "re-names", awesome........
Saturday program, forward thinking...
More room for sponsors on the body panels, awesome...
(space is limited)......
It'll be interesting to see what comes next.
On to the future.Wink
Dave O.
"Keep it rollin....."Wink
In addition to offering purse money here in the states i hope DC considers it an option and a reality of NOT charging the racers to race or the wrenches to wrench.

I think overseas they offer no money and charge you an arm and a leg to race...is that true geoff?
knowitallnovice 10/12/2008 6:53pm
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The mechanics pass for the privateer is a complete joke. As well as the parking fee.

Nickel and dimers.
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Crash82 10/13/2008 4:59am
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Night races are dangerous, there will always be shadows in the whoops and ruts. They are just doing this to keep Jlaw busy on Sat nights.
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flarider 10/13/2008 8:09am
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Saturday racing fits on live TV easier by not battling NASCAR/INDYCAR/NFL and more


Saturday racing allows for an amateur day after the national, because everyone bitched about amateur day before due to it ripping up the track, especially the track builders. A national track is too hairy for amateurs and it is too hard to properly build a pro level national track from an amateur level track in a matter of hours and while in the dark.

Pros race on saturday, amateurs get to race a knocked down version on sunday. It's easier and faster to knock down a pro level track than to build one properly.


and lastly, everyone cries about the privateer's and costs and how much racing costs, this saves privateer's and teams money by reducing hotel and food costs by one day/night and gives teams and privateer's an extra day of travel, making it safer and save gas money by allowing them to drive at a slower pace to the next event.


It also helps the Country by reducing fuel waste and fuel consumption.

Every little bit helps

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