Is JS7 now tainted?

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8/29/2014 8:38pm
He isn't tainted. He took riding to a whole new level. Even if he doesn't end up #1 wins all-time, you can't discredit him being #2. That's like saying Jordan, Kobe, Lebron are tainted because they didn't win 11 rings like Bill Russell.

Riding like this is and was GAME-CHANGING:

James at 15, still better than 99% of people that have ever thrown a leg over a bike - and he was 15.
https://youtu.be/TO6hizv80yM

Only 17 here, still doing things that NO ONE in the history of the sport was doing.
https://youtu.be/6l3E_y2urwA

Show a little respect people. The dude is badass and will always be a badass on a bike.
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8/29/2014 10:26pm
I disagree, I think alot of the media publicity he gets, most noteably over the ignorant things he's done has greatly affected his results. And the...
I disagree, I think alot of the media publicity he gets, most noteably over the ignorant things he's done has greatly affected his results. And the latest drug test results(wich hes
aware everybody knows about) has really got his head bugged up.

Race teams are not only looking for someone thats fast, but also someone clean cut with a good image to represent thier team, but im sure the speed and ability to win is more important than image...

Rule #1 in motocross is to have fun, even at the top level. Stewart quit having fun about 4 years ago, right around the time he came out with bubba's world.. actually before that...
I agree with you up until when Stewart stopped having 'fun'. Seems to me like it coincided with his signing with JGR on the Yamaswapper that NOBODY seemed to get a handle on. The accumulation of all of those very violent crashes almost every single week most likely led to what his condition is now, and his need for whatever meds he's using. You could almost see it in his body language at times that he knew something was going to happen at some point during the race and he would get his bell rung...hard. To me signing with JGR was the second worst decision of his career behind the TUE notification thing. I think he will go down as THE most innovative rider in the sport, but he (and the people around him) fucked up big time and it's going to cost him his legacy.
8/29/2014 10:40pm
How can you not say that this has tainted his image? HIs image is directly related to his performance.

The dude has found his way into "taining" each and every series since '09.

Is James was ever able to get out of his own way he would be the GOAT^2

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Olson wrote:
[i]"did lance armstrong legacy get ruined in my eyes for doping nope."[/i] EEEHM... I bet a lot of people see this different than you do. And...
"did lance armstrong legacy get ruined in my eyes for doping nope."

EEEHM... I bet a lot of people see this different than you do.

And to compare the most sophisticated doping scheme in sport with Stewart is just messed up.
Armstrong did exactly what he had to do to win. The same thing the other top 20 riders were doing at the time.

Against the rules? Yes. His only real issue is his scheme was a little better than everyone else's. Take the epo off of everyone and Lance still would have dominated.

The only thing I dislike about Armstrong is he went after some individual people pretty hard and ruined their lives financially.

He should have just won his last race and came public.
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Tainted? Opinions will vary on that one for sure. What is guaranteed though is that years from now when talking about Stewart, everyone will be thinking of this drug test issue. Has he done many controversial things in the past, on and off the track? Yeah he has, but people will forget about those things when you're an amazing rider. Drug testing though is a whole different animal, and people view you differently because of it.
8/30/2014 9:55am Edited Date/Time 8/30/2014 10:00am
JeepnMike wrote:
The silence sure as heck isn't helping.
When you are in a legal or rules dispute...you do not talk to the public. That is seen by the authorities as trying to "go over their head". Going public is a certain way to get the book thrown at you. When the rulings are all done, the JS7 camp will have an active PR effort. Till then...they are following the standard legal advice playbook. I am perlexed as to why so many in this sport do not understand this.
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He will always be hired as a top rider. Results or not, put a product on James and people will buy it. Seven is a good example.
8/30/2014 10:53am
HenryA wrote:
He will always be hired as a top rider. Results or not, put a product on James and people will buy it. Seven is a good...
He will always be hired as a top rider. Results or not, put a product on James and people will buy it. Seven is a good example.
Always be hired?

I know that Honda, Kawasaki, and Yamaha want nothing to do with James.

I have a feeling that Suzuki is fed up with him as well.

So, umm, KTM?
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8/30/2014 11:24am Edited Date/Time 8/30/2014 8:38pm
Olson wrote:
[i]"did lance armstrong legacy get ruined in my eyes for doping nope."[/i] EEEHM... I bet a lot of people see this different than you do. And...
"did lance armstrong legacy get ruined in my eyes for doping nope."

EEEHM... I bet a lot of people see this different than you do.

And to compare the most sophisticated doping scheme in sport with Stewart is just messed up.
DemoDick wrote:
Armstrong did exactly what he had to do to win. The same thing the other top 20 riders were doing at the time. Against the rules...
Armstrong did exactly what he had to do to win. The same thing the other top 20 riders were doing at the time.

Against the rules? Yes. His only real issue is his scheme was a little better than everyone else's. Take the epo off of everyone and Lance still would have dominated.

The only thing I dislike about Armstrong is he went after some individual people pretty hard and ruined their lives financially.

He should have just won his last race and came public.
That's a fair enough assessment regarding lance. However, validated or not, his legacy is still tainted. That's not really an opinion statement, that's more of an "it is what is is" statement.
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8/30/2014 11:25am
TDeath21 wrote:
Tainted? Opinions will vary on that one for sure. What is guaranteed though is that years from now when talking about Stewart, everyone will be thinking...
Tainted? Opinions will vary on that one for sure. What is guaranteed though is that years from now when talking about Stewart, everyone will be thinking of this drug test issue. Has he done many controversial things in the past, on and off the track? Yeah he has, but people will forget about those things when you're an amazing rider. Drug testing though is a whole different animal, and people view you differently because of it.
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him his entire career, the rest will be talking about the good things and great riding he did. Everyone I have spoken to thinks of it as no big deal.
In the Transworld MX interview James said he knew he had to have a prescription but didn't know anything about a TUE. When Racer X interviewed Josh Grant he said the rules need to be more clarified and he didn't think James was cheating.
For all we know there may be many riders who don't have a TUE for their prescription, but they haven't been tested.
8/30/2014 11:46am
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I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him...
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him his entire career, the rest will be talking about the good things and great riding he did. Everyone I have spoken to thinks of it as no big deal.
In the Transworld MX interview James said he knew he had to have a prescription but didn't know anything about a TUE. When Racer X interviewed Josh Grant he said the rules need to be more clarified and he didn't think James was cheating.
For all we know there may be many riders who don't have a TUE for their prescription, but they haven't been tested.
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing.

This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings.

Maybe he should up his dosage.
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8/30/2014 11:50am
JeepnMike wrote:
The silence sure as heck isn't helping.
When you are in a legal or rules dispute...you do not talk to the public. That is seen by the authorities as trying to "go over...
When you are in a legal or rules dispute...you do not talk to the public. That is seen by the authorities as trying to "go over their head". Going public is a certain way to get the book thrown at you. When the rulings are all done, the JS7 camp will have an active PR effort. Till then...they are following the standard legal advice playbook. I am perlexed as to why so many in this sport do not understand this.
So just like the last guy that commented on my post about this, I will reply the same to you too. Has James said anything EXCEPT being out due to dizziness? You guys are going straight to assumptions without any proof of why he was/is actually out. Do I agree with you? Maybe. But nobody really knows but him and his crew.
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8/30/2014 11:55am
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him...
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him his entire career, the rest will be talking about the good things and great riding he did. Everyone I have spoken to thinks of it as no big deal.
In the Transworld MX interview James said he knew he had to have a prescription but didn't know anything about a TUE. When Racer X interviewed Josh Grant he said the rules need to be more clarified and he didn't think James was cheating.
For all we know there may be many riders who don't have a TUE for their prescription, but they haven't been tested.
TripleFive wrote:
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing. This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings. Maybe he should...
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing.

This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings.

Maybe he should up his dosage.
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more clear?

Besides, when I raced Road Race Nationals it was very common to not pay attention to the riders meeting after hearing the same thing for many years. Many riders would just stand around talking.
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I agree with you up until when Stewart stopped having 'fun'. Seems to me like it coincided with his signing with JGR on the Yamaswapper that...
I agree with you up until when Stewart stopped having 'fun'. Seems to me like it coincided with his signing with JGR on the Yamaswapper that NOBODY seemed to get a handle on. The accumulation of all of those very violent crashes almost every single week most likely led to what his condition is now, and his need for whatever meds he's using. You could almost see it in his body language at times that he knew something was going to happen at some point during the race and he would get his bell rung...hard. To me signing with JGR was the second worst decision of his career behind the TUE notification thing. I think he will go down as THE most innovative rider in the sport, but he (and the people around him) fucked up big time and it's going to cost him his legacy.
out of all this jargon, I agree with this post the most
8/30/2014 12:18pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more...
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more clear?

Besides, when I raced Road Race Nationals it was very common to not pay attention to the riders meeting after hearing the same thing for many years. Many riders would just stand around talking.
They talked over and over about the banned substances list and how each rider is solely responsible for what goes into a rider's body.

Taking an amphetamine and not checking the list is mind boggling.
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8/30/2014 12:39pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more...
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more clear?

Besides, when I raced Road Race Nationals it was very common to not pay attention to the riders meeting after hearing the same thing for many years. Many riders would just stand around talking.
TripleFive wrote:
They talked over and over about the banned substances list and how each rider is solely responsible for what goes into a rider's body. Taking an...
They talked over and over about the banned substances list and how each rider is solely responsible for what goes into a rider's body.

Taking an amphetamine and not checking the list is mind boggling.
x2, pretty sure each rider with a pro card has access to a rulebook or is issued one.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more...
How do you know they would spend time talking about TUE's at the riders meeting? And why would Grant say the rules need to be more clear?

Besides, when I raced Road Race Nationals it was very common to not pay attention to the riders meeting after hearing the same thing for many years. Many riders would just stand around talking.
TripleFive wrote:
They talked over and over about the banned substances list and how each rider is solely responsible for what goes into a rider's body. Taking an...
They talked over and over about the banned substances list and how each rider is solely responsible for what goes into a rider's body.

Taking an amphetamine and not checking the list is mind boggling.
That didn't answer either question.

I think he thought the testing was for EPO, Steroids, etc.. And it sounds like Grant did too.

JGR Yamaha’s Josh Grant: “I know everyone is getting a lot hype on the drug-testing thing, but I think it needs to be a little more clarified—what they have for rules and stuff. If you’re doing EPO or blood transfusion, then I think that should be banned. But if you’re going to take something the doctor prescribed to you—Adderall or NyQuil or DayQuil or whatever it is—you have to keep your body healthy, and I don’t think they understand what we have to go through for this sport. I guess if we were dribbling a basketball back and forth it would be a different story, or if we were playing baseball … it’s not really that gnarly. I think for us, our body goes through so much, and we don’t have any time to take breaks and stop, so you have to keep healthy, and if the doctor thinks that’s what you need, then that’s what you need. I don’t think Stewart is cheating or anything. I think it’s bogus. I don’t always agree with what they have banned and don’t. But hey, whatever. That’s their deal.”
8/30/2014 1:26pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2014 1:28pm
What exactly needs to be clarified?

The riders have an explicit list of what not to consume.

EDIT: Grammar
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8/30/2014 1:32pm
TripleFive wrote:
What exactly needs to be clarified?

The riders have an explicit list of what not to consume.

EDIT: Grammar
I have no idea why Grant feels that way.

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8/30/2014 1:36pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
That didn't answer either question. I think he thought the testing was for EPO, Steroids, etc.. And it sounds like Grant did too. [b]JGR Yamaha’s Josh...
That didn't answer either question.

I think he thought the testing was for EPO, Steroids, etc.. And it sounds like Grant did too.

JGR Yamaha’s Josh Grant: “I know everyone is getting a lot hype on the drug-testing thing, but I think it needs to be a little more clarified—what they have for rules and stuff. If you’re doing EPO or blood transfusion, then I think that should be banned. But if you’re going to take something the doctor prescribed to you—Adderall or NyQuil or DayQuil or whatever it is—you have to keep your body healthy, and I don’t think they understand what we have to go through for this sport. I guess if we were dribbling a basketball back and forth it would be a different story, or if we were playing baseball … it’s not really that gnarly. I think for us, our body goes through so much, and we don’t have any time to take breaks and stop, so you have to keep healthy, and if the doctor thinks that’s what you need, then that’s what you need. I don’t think Stewart is cheating or anything. I think it’s bogus. I don’t always agree with what they have banned and don’t. But hey, whatever. That’s their deal.”
What about the IV's?


BTW, I think the testing is a horrible idea.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
That didn't answer either question. I think he thought the testing was for EPO, Steroids, etc.. And it sounds like Grant did too. [b]JGR Yamaha’s Josh...
That didn't answer either question.

I think he thought the testing was for EPO, Steroids, etc.. And it sounds like Grant did too.

JGR Yamaha’s Josh Grant: “I know everyone is getting a lot hype on the drug-testing thing, but I think it needs to be a little more clarified—what they have for rules and stuff. If you’re doing EPO or blood transfusion, then I think that should be banned. But if you’re going to take something the doctor prescribed to you—Adderall or NyQuil or DayQuil or whatever it is—you have to keep your body healthy, and I don’t think they understand what we have to go through for this sport. I guess if we were dribbling a basketball back and forth it would be a different story, or if we were playing baseball … it’s not really that gnarly. I think for us, our body goes through so much, and we don’t have any time to take breaks and stop, so you have to keep healthy, and if the doctor thinks that’s what you need, then that’s what you need. I don’t think Stewart is cheating or anything. I think it’s bogus. I don’t always agree with what they have banned and don’t. But hey, whatever. That’s their deal.”
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What about the IV's?


BTW, I think the testing is a horrible idea.
I don't know which riders are taking IV's, according to one of the Pulp podcast many riders have for many years.
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I don't take medication (yea yea some or not all here think otherwise) ,but in cycling ,usada is involved in my mtb license rules.
so,if I was prescribed any meds ,my first thought would be ,gee,..... is this legal or illegal regarding the rule book.let me do research..
and I am not wealthy enough to have people in my corner to protect my best interests.
if a rider is that laxed about one medication,makes one think how much stuff they take on a regular Dailey ritual.
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8/30/2014 1:51pm
zippy895 wrote:
I don't take medication (yea yea some or not all here think otherwise) ,but in cycling ,usada is involved in my mtb license rules. so,if I...
I don't take medication (yea yea some or not all here think otherwise) ,but in cycling ,usada is involved in my mtb license rules.
so,if I was prescribed any meds ,my first thought would be ,gee,..... is this legal or illegal regarding the rule book.let me do research..
and I am not wealthy enough to have people in my corner to protect my best interests.
if a rider is that laxed about one medication,makes one think how much stuff they take on a regular Dailey ritual.
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8/30/2014 2:56pm
TripleFive wrote:
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing. This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings. Maybe he should...
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing.

This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings.

Maybe he should up his dosage.
Why the dislike for Stewart?
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8/30/2014 8:13pm
Flatliner wrote:
When it's all said and done I'll remember him as the best 125 rider ever, and the most talented guy on an mx bike next to...
When it's all said and done I'll remember him as the best 125 rider ever, and the most talented guy on an mx bike next to tp199.
Dude....It breaks my heart that you never got the chance to see
Carmichael ride a 125.
8/30/2014 8:33pm
gsxrcr28 wrote:
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him...
I don't think years from now everyone will be talking about the drug issue. It will mostly be the same people that have whined about him his entire career, the rest will be talking about the good things and great riding he did. Everyone I have spoken to thinks of it as no big deal.
In the Transworld MX interview James said he knew he had to have a prescription but didn't know anything about a TUE. When Racer X interviewed Josh Grant he said the rules need to be more clarified and he didn't think James was cheating.
For all we know there may be many riders who don't have a TUE for their prescription, but they haven't been tested.
TripleFive wrote:
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing. This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings. Maybe he should...
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing.

This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings.

Maybe he should up his dosage.
Dude shut the helll up!!! You say the same shit in every post about James, get over it!!!!

Your not in his shoes and you have no ground to stand on, so let it play out!!!
8/30/2014 8:34pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2014 8:36pm
HenryA wrote:
He will always be hired as a top rider. Results or not, put a product on James and people will buy it. Seven is a good...
He will always be hired as a top rider. Results or not, put a product on James and people will buy it. Seven is a good example.
TripleFive wrote:
Always be hired? I know that Honda, Kawasaki, and Yamaha want nothing to do with James. I have a feeling that Suzuki is fed up with...
Always be hired?

I know that Honda, Kawasaki, and Yamaha want nothing to do with James.

I have a feeling that Suzuki is fed up with him as well.

So, umm, KTM?
I would love to know where you get your information?

Perhaps the toilet...? One too many nights hugging the porcelain maybe?
8/30/2014 8:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2014 9:57pm
TripleFive wrote:
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing. This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings. Maybe he should...
James not knowing he needed a TUE is mind blowing.

This shit was preached OVER, and OVER, and OVER in the rider's meetings.

Maybe he should up his dosage.
Why the dislike for Stewart?
Probably didn't get his autograph after waiting in line for 3 hrs...

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