Why isn't anybody talking about the rumor about the 250 rider that failed the PED test?

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7/17/2014 11:29am
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Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH...
Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH keeps getting brought up and seems to be found in other sports as well......but nobody that I know of in this sport has been busted ( yet ).
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EPO wouldnt do anything for MX???????? You are nuts if you honestly thing that. There is also a difference in testing, in competition and out of...
EPO wouldnt do anything for MX????????

You are nuts if you honestly thing that.

There is also a difference in testing, in competition and out of competition. Some things help in the off season better than others do in the racing season.

And if you can get a TUE for adderall, is it still considered a PED???

If it was, don't you think it wouldn't be allowed under no circumstances???


" EPO wouldnt do anything for MX????????

You are nuts if you honestly thing that.
"

Didn't Jonny O' say that EPO wouldn't be much of an advantage , if any at all in a 30 min race? And since he's competed and trained in both , I'd tend to believe him.

"And if you can get a TUE for adderall, is it still considered a PED???"

YES! It's a PED that would be allowed because of a DR's prescription.........does not make it any less of a PED. Did you read anything in the highlighted areas I posted above? Are you so infatuated with James that you can't read , comprehend and understand what the rest of the world says about this drug?

Pull your head out of your ass. Do you know how many professional athletes get diagnosed with ADD.........that never had any issue with it before they turned pro and there was money on the line?

Stop thinking with your heart , and start thinking with your brain.
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Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED! This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep...
Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED!

This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep repeating what others say on here.

It is 100% a PED. Weather someone is prescribed it or not......it's known world wide that it's a PED! That is why it's banned.

If you want to believe it isn't......than you are either clueless or living in a fucking closet.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Sure doesn't help James any. Besides the new Yamaha years, he did much better when he wasn't takin it. He should get his money back.
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does.

If it didn't help.........why would any rider have it in their blood?

The debate on weather it is a PED or not....is UN-debatable.

With that being said though.......I still think if it was to help riders focus , and give them a better chance at staying safe on the track......I think every rider should take the damn stuff. I don't see a negative at all in riders using it as long as every rider could make their own choice in doing so.
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7/17/2014 11:48am
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Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED! This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep...
Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED!

This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep repeating what others say on here.

It is 100% a PED. Weather someone is prescribed it or not......it's known world wide that it's a PED! That is why it's banned.

If you want to believe it isn't......than you are either clueless or living in a fucking closet.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Sure doesn't help James any. Besides the new Yamaha years, he did much better when he wasn't takin it. He should get his money back.
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Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does. If it didn't...
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does.

If it didn't help.........why would any rider have it in their blood?

The debate on weather it is a PED or not....is UN-debatable.

With that being said though.......I still think if it was to help riders focus , and give them a better chance at staying safe on the track......I think every rider should take the damn stuff. I don't see a negative at all in riders using it as long as every rider could make their own choice in doing so.
It IS-debatable if you have ADHD, to most people anyway. I still think he should get his money back.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
Sure doesn't help James any. Besides the new Yamaha years, he did much better when he wasn't takin it. He should get his money back.
jeffro503 wrote:
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does. If it didn't...
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does.

If it didn't help.........why would any rider have it in their blood?

The debate on weather it is a PED or not....is UN-debatable.

With that being said though.......I still think if it was to help riders focus , and give them a better chance at staying safe on the track......I think every rider should take the damn stuff. I don't see a negative at all in riders using it as long as every rider could make their own choice in doing so.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
It IS-debatable if you have ADHD, to most people anyway. I still think he should get his money back.
Point taken.

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7/17/2014 12:07pm
jeffro503 wrote:
Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED! This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep...
Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED!

This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep repeating what others say on here.

It is 100% a PED. Weather someone is prescribed it or not......it's known world wide that it's a PED! That is why it's banned.

If you want to believe it isn't......than you are either clueless or living in a fucking closet.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Sure doesn't help James any. Besides the new Yamaha years, he did much better when he wasn't takin it. He should get his money back.
jeffro503 wrote:
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does. If it didn't...
Chip.....I'm not sure if it's helping him now or not. I don't know if he is even using it right now.....nobody here does.

If it didn't help.........why would any rider have it in their blood?

The debate on weather it is a PED or not....is UN-debatable.

With that being said though.......I still think if it was to help riders focus , and give them a better chance at staying safe on the track......I think every rider should take the damn stuff. I don't see a negative at all in riders using it as long as every rider could make their own choice in doing so.
All drugs have varying effects on each person, so an individual wouldn't know if it helps until trying... that's why some athletes would have something in their blood which may not be helping.

Also, amphetamine's effects can be more tricky to understand than blood doping or recovery shit like HGH since it changes the chemistry of the brain. Though scientists don't necessarily know why, for some people an amphetamine will cause a calm focusing effect (usually a person with ADHD) while for others it will cause a heightened level of energized cognitive clarity which is advantageous in competition.

What I don't understand is why you'd think epo, an endurance drug, wouldn't help with endurance in moto. More oxygen in the blood causes muscles to not tire as fast, so despite what anyone says, how could that not benefit in a moto or two? EPO is prevalent in MMA and the average bout is only 15 minutes long, so that may indicate something as well...
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Dave said, "I now have a message board"? Huck would get kicked off if it did exist.
huck wrote:
Dave's not here man. He isn't posting at vital "ever again", because all the mean people attack him.....
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me stupid.....lol. Laughing I do try to maintain my sense of humor around here. Some of you asshats are wound a bit tight.
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7/17/2014 12:35pm
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Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling...
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me stupid.....lol. Laughing I do try to maintain my sense of humor around here. Some of you asshats are wound a bit tight.
Asshats, lolLaughing
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7/17/2014 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 7/17/2014 12:42pm
newmann wrote:
Dave said, "I now have a message board"? Huck would get kicked off if it did exist.
huck wrote:
Dave's not here man. He isn't posting at vital "ever again", because all the mean people attack him.....
newmann wrote:
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling...
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me stupid.....lol. Laughing I do try to maintain my sense of humor around here. Some of you asshats are wound a bit tight.
Newmann didn't do himself many favors by calling every one 'asshats' but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me an asshat.....lol Grinning
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There is a trend Im recognizing..... The first 2-3 pages are usually content driven and pertain to the discussion..... very rarely is there any useful information or intelligent discussion after page 5. Gotta love Vital!!
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7/17/2014 12:51pm
huck wrote:
Dave's not here man. He isn't posting at vital "ever again", because all the mean people attack him.....
newmann wrote:
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling...
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me stupid.....lol. Laughing I do try to maintain my sense of humor around here. Some of you asshats are wound a bit tight.
huck wrote:
Newmann didn't do himself many favors by calling every one 'asshats' but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me an asshat.....lol Grinning
I got sent an invite but never investigated .

Here is the place to be.

If any of you go there and a "hillbilly" is posting it ain't me.
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7/17/2014 12:53pm
jeffro503 wrote:
" [b]EPO wouldnt do anything for MX???????? You are nuts if you honestly thing that.[/b] " Didn't Jonny O' say that EPO wouldn't be much of...
" EPO wouldnt do anything for MX????????

You are nuts if you honestly thing that.
"

Didn't Jonny O' say that EPO wouldn't be much of an advantage , if any at all in a 30 min race? And since he's competed and trained in both , I'd tend to believe him.

"And if you can get a TUE for adderall, is it still considered a PED???"

YES! It's a PED that would be allowed because of a DR's prescription.........does not make it any less of a PED. Did you read anything in the highlighted areas I posted above? Are you so infatuated with James that you can't read , comprehend and understand what the rest of the world says about this drug?

Pull your head out of your ass. Do you know how many professional athletes get diagnosed with ADD.........that never had any issue with it before they turned pro and there was money on the line?

Stop thinking with your heart , and start thinking with your brain.
So how would Jonny O know if it would help if he has never taken EPO??????

Read This

EPO WOULD help in motocross when the riders are riding at 100% each moto. Its not just for endurance athletes like most think.

If a person has ADD and takes Adderall, its not a PED.

Its a PED if someone who DOESNT actually have ADD but some how get a prescription for it.

How about you pull your head out of your ass and understand some athletes do have ADD and get to take Adderall for it, and for them, they are not using it as a PED.




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All drugs have varying effects on each person, so an individual wouldn't know if it helps until trying... that's why some athletes would have something in...
All drugs have varying effects on each person, so an individual wouldn't know if it helps until trying... that's why some athletes would have something in their blood which may not be helping.

Also, amphetamine's effects can be more tricky to understand than blood doping or recovery shit like HGH since it changes the chemistry of the brain. Though scientists don't necessarily know why, for some people an amphetamine will cause a calm focusing effect (usually a person with ADHD) while for others it will cause a heightened level of energized cognitive clarity which is advantageous in competition.

What I don't understand is why you'd think epo, an endurance drug, wouldn't help with endurance in moto. More oxygen in the blood causes muscles to not tire as fast, so despite what anyone says, how could that not benefit in a moto or two? EPO is prevalent in MMA and the average bout is only 15 minutes long, so that may indicate something as well...
Because Jeffro thinks he knows everything. Thats why.
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Newmann,...Tight is wright ! Damn this hero worship BS is insane.

ASS CLOWNS...
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What about DMSO?
7/17/2014 1:13pm
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their performance?

Beyond intentional impairment, why would anyone ever take a drug if they didn't think it enhanced their performance in some way?
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TripleFive wrote:
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their...
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their performance?

Beyond intentional impairment, why would anyone ever take a drug if they didn't think it enhanced their performance in some way?
I know it sounds crazy , but some people take drugs so that they dont die. Well ya death would hamper performance so ya got me there.......
7/17/2014 1:25pm
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If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their...
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their performance?

Beyond intentional impairment, why would anyone ever take a drug if they didn't think it enhanced their performance in some way?
Think about cancer... why take a drug? to heal, mask pain, for engage in necessary behaviours like eating.
7/17/2014 1:28pm
hillbilly wrote:
What about DMSO?
That's a good question. I don't know shit about that drug other than there's not a lot of info on the net about it Laughing
Do you know for sure if it's banned? I'm too lazy to check right now.
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7/17/2014 1:29pm
TripleFive wrote:
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their...
If it's not a PED then why would anyone take it? Why would a rider seek out a TUE for a drug that doesn't enhance their performance?

Beyond intentional impairment, why would anyone ever take a drug if they didn't think it enhanced their performance in some way?
Think about cancer... why take a drug? to heal, mask pain, for engage in necessary behaviours like eating.
Taking Advil to relieve a headache can be performance enhancing also. This topic has been beat to death though Dizzy
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Didn't Jonny O' say that EPO wouldn't be much of an advantage , if any at all in a 30 min race? And since he's competed and trained in both , I'd tend to believe him.

Even if EPO does not benefit a rider in a short moto (a point that many disagree with), it does have substantial benefits when training. You can go harder longer thus getting the benefit of enhanced muscle and cardiovascular development from the training.
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huck wrote:
Dave's not here man. He isn't posting at vital "ever again", because all the mean people attack him.....
newmann wrote:
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling...
Well, there were those. Dave didn't do himself many favors by calling every one stupid but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me stupid.....lol. Laughing I do try to maintain my sense of humor around here. Some of you asshats are wound a bit tight.
huck wrote:
Newmann didn't do himself many favors by calling every one 'asshats' but he's always been cool with me. Well, except for calling me an asshat.....lol Grinning
Smile
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There is a trend Im recognizing..... The first 2-3 pages are usually content driven and pertain to the discussion..... very rarely is there any useful information...
There is a trend Im recognizing..... The first 2-3 pages are usually content driven and pertain to the discussion..... very rarely is there any useful information or intelligent discussion after page 5. Gotta love Vital!!
Answer me this. When you go to a Yahoo article, do you really go there for the article, or the comments?Laughing
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All drugs have varying effects on each person, so an individual wouldn't know if it helps until trying... that's why some athletes would have something in...
All drugs have varying effects on each person, so an individual wouldn't know if it helps until trying... that's why some athletes would have something in their blood which may not be helping.

Also, amphetamine's effects can be more tricky to understand than blood doping or recovery shit like HGH since it changes the chemistry of the brain. Though scientists don't necessarily know why, for some people an amphetamine will cause a calm focusing effect (usually a person with ADHD) while for others it will cause a heightened level of energized cognitive clarity which is advantageous in competition.

What I don't understand is why you'd think epo, an endurance drug, wouldn't help with endurance in moto. More oxygen in the blood causes muscles to not tire as fast, so despite what anyone says, how could that not benefit in a moto or two? EPO is prevalent in MMA and the average bout is only 15 minutes long, so that may indicate something as well...
At least you get it.
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MxKing809 wrote:
There is a trend Im recognizing..... The first 2-3 pages are usually content driven and pertain to the discussion..... very rarely is there any useful information...
There is a trend Im recognizing..... The first 2-3 pages are usually content driven and pertain to the discussion..... very rarely is there any useful information or intelligent discussion after page 5. Gotta love Vital!!
newmann wrote:
Answer me this. When you go to a Yahoo article, do you really go there for the article, or the comments?Laughing
I'm with ya Newman! It's always fun to watch a car wreck. Pages 1-4 for content.... 4-infinity for entertainment!!!
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I love all the "my sources" comments on Vital, every single clown that uses the phrase "my sources" needs to be kicccked in the ass!
My sources say you're angry...
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Dart Board wrote:
Jeffro, EPO is also a PED.
jeffro503 wrote:
Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH...
Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH keeps getting brought up and seems to be found in other sports as well......but nobody that I know of in this sport has been busted ( yet ).
Wrong. Guess again.......only one more though......
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What about bathsalts,its big here because it doesn't sbow up on employers drug tests.
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7/17/2014 2:51pm
Dart Board wrote:
Jeffro, EPO is also a PED.
jeffro503 wrote:
Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH...
Yes.....and it really does nothing for MX. The 30 min moto's aren't long enough for EPO to really take any affect. Great for cyclist though. HGH keeps getting brought up and seems to be found in other sports as well......but nobody that I know of in this sport has been busted ( yet ).
drmarkr wrote:
Wrong. Guess again.......only one more though......
Dang you Doc! You just added another 10 pages to this thing. haha.

Not asking who.....but do you know of any kind of a press release is going to come out?
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What about bathsalts,its big here because it doesn't sbow up on employers drug tests.
Yeah, maybe not but when they show up naked for work with part of someone's kidney stuck in their teeth???
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Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED! This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep...
Nobody in their right mind could say that Adderall ISN'T a PED!

This stupid shit keeps getting regurgitated by some dudes on here that just keep repeating what others say on here.

It is 100% a PED. Weather someone is prescribed it or not......it's known world wide that it's a PED! That is why it's banned.

If you want to believe it isn't......than you are either clueless or living in a fucking closet.
gsxrcr28 wrote:
Sure doesn't help James any. Besides the new Yamaha years, he did much better when he wasn't takin it. He should get his money back.
so is spaghetti...whoop dee fucking doo

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