So was Adderall helping James before....or no?

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jasonv43 7/6/2014 1:14am
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Meds or no meds. The days of James dominating an entire series are over. Sure you will see him string some motos together and show us glimpses of Bubba and do some amazing scrub and blow your minds. But I just don't think he can dominate like he used to.

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Park Boys 7/6/2014 1:18am
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I don't know of anyone who has the information to answer this question, especially not the people of Vital.
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TDeath21 7/6/2014 7:23am
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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
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They filed a TUE for the outdoors... He's still on the meds, keep trying.....
Just meant his focus isn't what it was earlier in the year. Never said he was off the meds.

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TDeath21 7/6/2014 7:30am
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wow123 wrote:
would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn cause other than trolling there is no way you could...

would seem you've never been in a race nor been mid pack in the first turn

cause other than trolling there is no way you could have been to post that rubbish

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My bad. You're right. You don't have to have much focus at all off the start or through the first turn.
wow123 wrote:
you must be amazing then if you can control everything that happens in the first turn as long as you are focused I mean being focused...
you must be amazing then if you can control everything that happens in the first turn as long as you are focused

I mean being focused will save you if 3 guys fall in front of you right?,

or if someone plows into you from behind your focus will stop you from going down right?

total rubbish again
Since you're completely missing my point, let me spell it out for you.

Lack of focus at the starting line can cause you to be mid pack at the first turn where the carnage happens. It can also cause you to not avoid a crash in the first turn. Yeah there are some that are unavoidable when you're mid pack but professionals for the most part do an amazing job of avoiding the pile ups. Although we can't be sure, it's possible he could have avoided some of those in the past couple races with better judgement through the first turn.

I just asked if it was a coincidence and you answered asking if I rode or not. Even if I didn't ride, that's a stupid argument for you to have. You do realize some of the best coaches in sports history never played the sport they coached right?
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jeffro503 7/6/2014 7:33am
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Park Boys wrote:
I don't know of anyone who has the information to answer this question, especially not the people of Vital.
I think for the most part , you are correct PB. I was just asking for opinions on it. I don't know if he is using anything right now either and I'm pretty much just chalking things up to bad luck these past two weeks. Hope he gets things sorted out because I want to see him finish the season healthy. That goes for all the riders actually.
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partialperson 7/6/2014 1:48pm
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If James has to choose between racing or this medication, if necessary for his well being, in my opinion he will retire and use his medication.
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The Rock 7/6/2014 6:00pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
Just meant his focus isn't what it was earlier in the year. Never said he was off the meds.
Only thing I know is James has had bad luck at the starts the last two weekends. James had to deal with the cop light thing before and made it through so I personally don't think (maybe thinking is more like assuming) he's crumbling under any WADA/FIM pressure.

partialperson-James will never have to make that choice.




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MotoMo165 7/6/2014 7:05pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race...
Those of you saying those first turn crashes are just bad luck... Ever think that that's when they need the MOST focus of the entire race? Every rider is so close together and one tiny mistake or lack of focus and you're down. Coincidence these first turn mishaps are happening right after this positive drug test?
MotoMo165 wrote:
They filed a TUE for the outdoors... He's still on the meds, keep trying.....
jeffro503 wrote:
If he filed and hasn't gotten approved.....he would be in even worse shit than he is now! Just because you said he filed.....doesn't clear him. Where...
If he filed and hasn't gotten approved.....he would be in even worse shit than he is now!

Just because you said he filed.....doesn't clear him. Where or how do you know that he's been cleared to use the medication again? You just read it on here? Source?

I believe that he's no doubt filed for one. But weather he's been approved and is using it again.....that information hasn't been released as far as I know.
The source saying he filed for a TUE for the nationals would be Steve Matthes on the pulp show, ya know the real insider of the sport. Said that in my first post in the thread, you must've missed it. Haha do you really want a PR confirming that his TUE has been approved? I don't think Marvin got a PR or any other rider for that matter has had a PR about their TUE approvalHuh .Either way he sent one so he'll be in the clear.
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shanes 7/6/2014 7:10pm
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how do you know it was Adderall ? test doest show that at all
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MotoMo165 7/6/2014 7:18pm
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^^ guyB said he had heard of it being adderall and so did matthes. Even in the PR Suzuki put out James said himself the medicine is to treat a disorder he has had for a long time, don't quote me on the disorder part haha but it was something along those lines.
StartedTooLate 7/6/2014 7:59pm
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jeffro503 wrote:
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question. Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably. He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if...
I mean no disrespect with this post.....just a simple question.

Has this topic been beaten to death?.....probably.

He's had a rough couple weeks......and I'm wondering if being off ( what ever it was he was using )......is taking a toll on him?

For some people....that drug wouldn't work. For some others it's a wonder drug. Is it a PED?.......in my opinion yes AND no. It enhances some peoples capabilities where their minds need to work at a 100mph. Others it would probably give them a heart attack..

I still stand neutral on it.....as I'm all for these guys getting across the finish line healthy.

But do you think with James possibly not taking the MED / PED ( whatever you want to call it )......is it hindering him right now?
Your premise may be dead wrong.

Word is he has a TUE, or a pending TUE for USADA for the outdoor nationals. Matthes was told this by "people who would know...but do not want to be quoted". They also said he expects to test positive for Lakewood...meaning he is still on the meds. If he has a TUE, or one pending...why would he stop?

James' results have nothing to do with med...they have to do with him being a head case...as well as some shitty luck.
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davistld01 7/6/2014 8:10pm
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I personally think it's a shame that a man is being attacked for using a substance that just causes him to have the focus of those who do not have ADD. It simply puts him on level ground with his competition instead of at a disadvantage. I know he broke the rules, because of his (or whoever's responsibility it was) not filing for a TUE in time...but IF he has stopped taking those meds that are necessary for his health, the disadvantage he's under is sure showing up now! James' riding has gone off the deep end. Is it because of lack of meds, or a huge amount of anxiety? I don't know, but there is clearly something wrong.

I know several people who race, and several who do not that take meds for the care of an attention disorder. All that I have talked to say it's no advantage to them on their jobs or on the track...but they also say they'd be at a huge disadvantage if they were forced to stop taking their meds.

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