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mxdude105 wrote:
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to...
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to get yourself in top level shape. I feel like trainers try to out-science eachother to prove their merit and like JT said, it still continues to be a revolving door with these guys.
did you happen to listen to the interview he did on DMXS?
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Split at end of supercross.
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What was the reason?

And if the Aldon to KTM thing is true, how will that effect the riders currently on his program?
Aldon isn't going to KTM.
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Aldon isn't going to KTM.
You sure?
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Aldon isn't going to KTM.
IceMan446 wrote:
You sure?
Leaving AC and KR I'm 90% positive he isn't

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IceMan446 7/2/2014 2:17pm
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oshow wrote:
Leaving AC and KR I'm 90% positive he isn't
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals.

Not saying its going to happen, but there has to have been talks regarding it happening.


"RV apparently is wrestling with deciding on what he wants to do. Race here? Retire? Race in Europe?

As for him letting RV go, I'm not sure that's exactly how it is. I believe his deal with RV goes through October or so. But I also hear that Aldon is working on a program where he'll be the trainer for the whole Red Bull KTM squad, plus a couple other pros (AC) and some amateur racers.

Also, if you believe the rumors, it sounds like Mike Grondahl is looking at purchasing RV's training compound in Florida.

At least that's what's floating around as rumors here today."
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mxdude105 wrote:
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to...
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to get yourself in top level shape. I feel like trainers try to out-science eachother to prove their merit and like JT said, it still continues to be a revolving door with these guys.
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When you are trying to gain millimeters, it helps.

Just look at KR last year to KR this year.
I really don't see a difference. Kroc won the SX west title and he had the MX series under controlled until his get off at millville.
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IceMan446 7/2/2014 2:32pm
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I really don't see a difference. Kroc won the SX west title and he had the MX series under controlled until his get off at millville.
I should have said in the nationals. Not SX.

His fitness wasn't top tier like it is now.
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Leaving AC and KR I'm 90% positive he isn't
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From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals. Not saying its going to happen, but...
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals.

Not saying its going to happen, but there has to have been talks regarding it happening.


"RV apparently is wrestling with deciding on what he wants to do. Race here? Retire? Race in Europe?

As for him letting RV go, I'm not sure that's exactly how it is. I believe his deal with RV goes through October or so. But I also hear that Aldon is working on a program where he'll be the trainer for the whole Red Bull KTM squad, plus a couple other pros (AC) and some amateur racers.

Also, if you believe the rumors, it sounds like Mike Grondahl is looking at purchasing RV's training compound in Florida.

At least that's what's floating around as rumors here today."
He will entertain if the $$ is right but I don't see it happening.

RV to GP's has been floating around, that most likely isn't happening either.
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IceMan446 7/2/2014 2:46pm
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He will entertain if the $$ is right but I don't see it happening. RV to GP's has been floating around, that most likely isn't happening...
He will entertain if the $$ is right but I don't see it happening.

RV to GP's has been floating around, that most likely isn't happening either.
I think it all depends on what RV decides really.
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oshow wrote:
Leaving AC and KR I'm 90% positive he isn't
IceMan446 wrote:
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals. Not saying its going to happen, but...
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals.

Not saying its going to happen, but there has to have been talks regarding it happening.


"RV apparently is wrestling with deciding on what he wants to do. Race here? Retire? Race in Europe?

As for him letting RV go, I'm not sure that's exactly how it is. I believe his deal with RV goes through October or so. But I also hear that Aldon is working on a program where he'll be the trainer for the whole Red Bull KTM squad, plus a couple other pros (AC) and some amateur racers.

Also, if you believe the rumors, it sounds like Mike Grondahl is looking at purchasing RV's training compound in Florida.

At least that's what's floating around as rumors here today."
Who is Mike Grondahl?
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oshow wrote:
Leaving AC and KR I'm 90% positive he isn't
IceMan446 wrote:
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals. Not saying its going to happen, but...
From GuyB in another post. When there is smoke, there is usually fire. Just like him racing the nationals.

Not saying its going to happen, but there has to have been talks regarding it happening.


"RV apparently is wrestling with deciding on what he wants to do. Race here? Retire? Race in Europe?

As for him letting RV go, I'm not sure that's exactly how it is. I believe his deal with RV goes through October or so. But I also hear that Aldon is working on a program where he'll be the trainer for the whole Red Bull KTM squad, plus a couple other pros (AC) and some amateur racers.

Also, if you believe the rumors, it sounds like Mike Grondahl is looking at purchasing RV's training compound in Florida.

At least that's what's floating around as rumors here today."
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Who is Mike Grondahl?
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BigDaddyG 7/2/2014 3:35pm
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So Kenny goes to RCH aand stays with Aldon who.will then be training his old team? Sounds a bit complicated.
Maybe RV reups with Aldon? There still hasn't been concrete proof they split. RV stays with Aldon, wins SX and MX 2015 signs a 1 year deal to get his 6th title. My predictions Smile
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Not sure why everything must be a conspiracy. Simply, just didn't work out.....it happens.

Ryan spoke highly about Robb on the show and I assure you that Robb has nothing but the utmost respect for Ryan and his family.

The topic of sprint training was focused on the amateur ranks.....guaranteed.

There is a ton of shuffling going on right now behind the scenes that I won't speak on, but wanted to clear these issues up.
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willie838 wrote:
from the behind the scenes show from cbs this year, i was positive that beams wasn't going to last if dungey didn't make some dramatic step...
from the behind the scenes show from cbs this year, i was positive that beams wasn't going to last if dungey didn't make some dramatic step up in output- which he didn't.
Yup, I watched that show and the dynamic between Dunge and Beams made me cringe. Didn't expect it to last either.

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MxKing809 7/2/2014 4:19pm
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Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
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David Izer wrote:
Not sure why everything must be a conspiracy. Simply, just didn't work out.....it happens. Ryan spoke highly about Robb on the show and I assure you...
Not sure why everything must be a conspiracy. Simply, just didn't work out.....it happens.

Ryan spoke highly about Robb on the show and I assure you that Robb has nothing but the utmost respect for Ryan and his family.

The topic of sprint training was focused on the amateur ranks.....guaranteed.

There is a ton of shuffling going on right now behind the scenes that I won't speak on, but wanted to clear these issues up.
Izer, did you not get the complimentary tin foil hat when you signed up for vital?
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if I had to have a bet who d win in an hour moto , it would be dungey all day long I don't think there has ever been a prob with his fitness ,this is not why RV,or Krock beats him , he is often faster at the end of the race than anyone , then they hit lappers , that's his weekness, I would nt hand krock this champ yet
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mxdude105 wrote:
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to...
All the psuedoscience that these trainers use to sell themselves is really just fluff. You do not need all that fancy equipment and computerized tests to get yourself in top level shape. I feel like trainers try to out-science eachother to prove their merit and like JT said, it still continues to be a revolving door with these guys.
IceMan446 wrote:
When you are trying to gain millimeters, it helps.

Just look at KR last year to KR this year.
rcm406 wrote:
I really don't see a difference. Kroc won the SX west title and he had the MX series under controlled until his get off at millville.
Under control?

Roczen had a whopping 1 point lead over Tomac going into Millville last year. Tomac had also stolen Roczen's momentum at that point having won 5 of the previous 7 motos.

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MxKing809 wrote:
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that...
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
This philosophy always cracks me up.

I had a neighbor buy a new TV the other day, $1600 dollar tv on sale for 900. He tells me "man, I saved 700 bucks".... No you dipshit, you spent 900.

They aren't saving 2 million, if it is 2 million above their current budget.
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rcm406 7/2/2014 4:50pm
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IceMan446 wrote:
When you are trying to gain millimeters, it helps.

Just look at KR last year to KR this year.
rcm406 wrote:
I really don't see a difference. Kroc won the SX west title and he had the MX series under controlled until his get off at millville.
SPYGUY wrote:
Under control? Roczen had a whopping 1 point lead over Tomac going into Millville last year. Tomac had also stolen Roczen's momentum at that point having...
Under control?

Roczen had a whopping 1 point lead over Tomac going into Millville last year. Tomac had also stolen Roczen's momentum at that point having won 5 of the previous 7 motos.
Again, I don't see the difference from last year though! Through the first 5 rounds last year, Kroc had won 5 motos and had the points lead, exactly the same this year in the 450's, so we will see how he holds up the remainder of the season.
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MxKing809 7/2/2014 4:54pm
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MxKing809 wrote:
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that...
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
Moto75 wrote:
This philosophy always cracks me up. I had a neighbor buy a new TV the other day, $1600 dollar tv on sale for 900. He tells...
This philosophy always cracks me up.

I had a neighbor buy a new TV the other day, $1600 dollar tv on sale for 900. He tells me "man, I saved 700 bucks".... No you dipshit, you spent 900.

They aren't saving 2 million, if it is 2 million above their current budget.
No but they had two options..... Pony up the extra 2 Million and have two riders or keep their rider salary the same, have two world class riders still, then poach the key to success from the guy who left with the very money you didn't pay him...... Legendary move
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rcm406 7/2/2014 5:15pm
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rcm406 wrote:
I really don't see a difference. Kroc won the SX west title and he had the MX series under controlled until his get off at millville.
SPYGUY wrote:
Under control? Roczen had a whopping 1 point lead over Tomac going into Millville last year. Tomac had also stolen Roczen's momentum at that point having...
Under control?

Roczen had a whopping 1 point lead over Tomac going into Millville last year. Tomac had also stolen Roczen's momentum at that point having won 5 of the previous 7 motos.
rcm406 wrote:
Again, I don't see the difference from last year though! Through the first 5 rounds last year, Kroc had won 5 motos and had the points...
Again, I don't see the difference from last year though! Through the first 5 rounds last year, Kroc had won 5 motos and had the points lead, exactly the same this year in the 450's, so we will see how he holds up the remainder of the season.
actually Kroc has only 4 moto wins this year, so last year he was ahead of this yearDry
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David Izer wrote:
Not sure why everything must be a conspiracy. Simply, just didn't work out.....it happens. Ryan spoke highly about Robb on the show and I assure you...
Not sure why everything must be a conspiracy. Simply, just didn't work out.....it happens.

Ryan spoke highly about Robb on the show and I assure you that Robb has nothing but the utmost respect for Ryan and his family.

The topic of sprint training was focused on the amateur ranks.....guaranteed.

There is a ton of shuffling going on right now behind the scenes that I won't speak on, but wanted to clear these issues up.
Come David it wouldn't be vital if nothing was made into something bigger then really is!
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MxKing809 wrote:
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that...
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
Pretty sure RD commands more than 1 million....
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MxKing809 wrote:
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that...
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
Park Boys wrote:
Pretty sure RD commands more than 1 million....
No doubt he's paid very well, especially when KTM initially hired him to race a completely new / unproven bike.
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MxKing809 wrote:
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that...
Ok think of it this way..... Roczen makes a million at KTM now (supposedly) and RCH is paying him 3 million. Instead of KTM matching that 3 Million offer they can invest that same million salary into Wilson and with the 2 MILLION they saved with not matching the Roczen deal can throw 500,000 at Baker who has proven his worth. I think I would rather have Dungey (1 Mil) + Wilson (1 Mil) + Baker (500,000-1 Mil) instead of just Roczen for 3 Million.
Park Boys wrote:
Pretty sure RD commands more than 1 million....
It's been written In many places over the past couple year that is his ktm salary
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Dungey 5 mill 2 for years at KTM I'm remembering.
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i think aldon and the other trainers read these threads for pure entertainment. could you imagine all the guys training in a gym while aldon reads these posts out loud?
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I have spoken to Beams over the years (even before he had Dungey, Daktoa Alix and Jordan Bailey - actually when he was working with AC) and I can tell you that his reference to 9th grade educated pros was directly focused at today's trainers that were pros in the past with absolutely zero education in exercise physiology, nutrition or sport psychology but want to "argue" with basic principles that Beams has had his amateur riders doing to improve their strength and endurance.

As he said on the DMXS show, when people ask about how to improve strength and endurance and he discusses the basics of exercise physiology or nutrition the riders, parents and the mechanics say that he is making performance too difficult. Just like he said on the show, it isn't any more technical than suspension - it is just a different language.

I personally thought the chemistry between Dungey and Beams was a good one - both are attentive to details and results driven. If you go back and watch Dungey in SX, it appeared to me that Dungey wrestled with the bike more than anything else.

Izer specifically asked about the difficulty of working with amateur riders and he referenced performance data being a predictor of future performance. If the performance didn't materialize, it had to be associated with a fundamental mistake at the track - bad starts, falling, not attacking the track, not making the necessary passes, etc.

Until Beams is back on the DMXS show and Izer and Kevin ask him specifically what the situation was, let's all refrain from making up ideas of what actually happened. David and Kevin get Beams back on the show next week to clarify all of this!!!! No sense letting time get by - the rumors and speculations will only get bigger and uglier!


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The Loper 7/2/2014 7:34pm
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Based on what I have heard floating around next season you may see Beams training the entire RCH team of Roczen and ? And Aldon will be training the entire KTM team plus 1 or 2 250 riders from other teams.

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