Stewart not barred from racing this weekend

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6/25/2014 10:37am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 10:38am
It doesn't appear to refute anything I have posted.

He holds an FIM card and is/has participated in FIM activities.
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6/25/2014 10:42am
Page 4 spells out who is under FIM authority not that the rules only apply to FIM events.
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smeg wrote:
It doesn't appear to refute anything I have posted.

He holds an FIM card and is/has participated in FIM activities.
Sure it does.

It says:

These Anti-Doping Rules shall apply to FIM, each National Federation (FMN) of FIM, and each Participant in the activities of FIM or any of its FMNs by virtue of the Participants membership, accreditation, or participation in FIM, its FMNs, or their activities or events.

It also stats:

The FMN must guarantee that all Riders registered for a FIM License accept the Rules of the FIM, including these FIM Anti-Doping Rules.

Simply put the MX series is not an FIM series or one of its FMNs by virtue. The supercross series would all under that FMN category by virtue. The MX series does not. You do not have to have a FIM license to race the MX series.

So the rules DO NOT apply to the MX series.
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6/25/2014 10:49am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 10:50am
I disagree with your first statement. I think you are reading it wrong.

As far as the "rules don't apply to the MX series"... I agree, they don't apply to the MX series(as I stated before) but they do apply to JS(or anyone else holding an FIM card).

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Except that the AMA are affiliated to the FIM, and to ride the MX Series you need to be an AMA member.

So therefore they ARE connected. Which is why this is all so complicated. If his AMA membership is suspended, what then? Presumably as its a condition of getting a Pro Racing licence, then that is also suspended? This has been covered already a few times.
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6/25/2014 10:52am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 10:52am
It says:

These Anti-Doping Rules shall apply TO ....... to is the operative word.
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smeg.............out
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Except that the AMA are affiliated to the FIM, and to ride the MX Series you need to be an AMA member. So therefore they ARE...
Except that the AMA are affiliated to the FIM, and to ride the MX Series you need to be an AMA member.

So therefore they ARE connected. Which is why this is all so complicated. If his AMA membership is suspended, what then? Presumably as its a condition of getting a Pro Racing licence, then that is also suspended? This has been covered already a few times.
So DC and MX Sports is wrong??? What about the AMA who had the chance to shut it down also?


"The provisional suspension of James Stewart by the FIM as a result of an alleged anti-doping violation on April 12, 2014, does not at this time involve MX Sports Pro Racing or the Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship. At this stage in the results management process, the decision to compete at a National level remains with the athlete, FIM and WADA, as MX Sports Pro Racing is not a Signatory to the WADA Code and does not have the authority to impose a provisional suspension. Our sanctioning body, AMA Pro Racing, has indicated that it will not restrict Stewart from competing in the upcoming Tennessee National and will reevaluate its position pending the final decision of the FIM International Disciplinary Court (CDI). If this position changes we will be notified accordingly. Until then, Mr. Stewart is free to compete without restriction."
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6/25/2014 11:03am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 11:09am
Sorry one more post.................

I don't understand this part..........................The provisional suspension of James Stewart by the FIM...... and then this.......as MX Sports Pro Racing is not a Signatory to the WADA Code


So if the FIM provisionally suspended him what difference does it make if MX sports is a WADA signatory?? It should only matter if they are an FIM "signatory", right??? Considering the FIM imposed the suspension according to the press release not WADA..
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You guys are just arguing to argue now. The folks that matter made the decision to let him race, move along.
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So do the fans at Muddy Mike Brown Creek boo James or cheer extra loud for him? Or do they even have internet in Tennesee yet?
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So do the fans at Muddy Mike Brown Creek boo James or cheer extra loud for him? Or do they even have internet in Tennesee yet?
Dial up, they won't find out about all this till next week.Laughing
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6/25/2014 11:18am Edited Date/Time 6/25/2014 11:19am
Who really cares what the FIM thinks?

SX is an American Series that the world's best talent comes to. AMA Motocross is an American Series that the world's best talent comes to. Both are the pinnacle of the sport. PERIOD.

As far as I can tell the FIM brings very little to the party in either discipline and frankly they have done more damage than good overall since their involvement. No crime has been committed and the world isn't going to stop spinning if he races.

Let him race and if next year the FIM decides to get pissy about Stewart the Feld can tell them to "shove off, who needs you?"

It's about time someone stood up to their stupidity.
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I thought Red Bull contains am fet a meens?

Isnt that what gives you wings?
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Sandberm wrote:
So do the fans at Muddy Mike Brown Creek boo James or cheer extra loud for him? Or do they even have internet in Tennesee yet?
It will be interesting....my guess is the fans who supported James at High Point, will still support him...the folks that dont may be a little more noticible....
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Ing wrote:
Yea, let him race. What's a failed drug test anyway.
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So, screw the racing...the important thing is to watch him burn, right? Dick.
Fuck you bitch. That's my opinion. Why have rules if they're not enforced. Seems pretty simple to me. Dick.
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Not only do we have internet,We have shoes too and indoor plumbing. What an ignorant asswipe for making that statement.
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How about a sense of humor? Does anybody in TN. have one of those?
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smeg wrote:
Sorry one more post................. I don't understand this part..........................The provisional suspension of James Stewart by the FIM...... and then this.......as MX Sports Pro Racing is not...
Sorry one more post.................

I don't understand this part..........................The provisional suspension of James Stewart by the FIM...... and then this.......as MX Sports Pro Racing is not a Signatory to the WADA Code


So if the FIM provisionally suspended him what difference does it make if MX sports is a WADA signatory?? It should only matter if they are an FIM "signatory", right??? Considering the FIM imposed the suspension according to the press release not WADA..
It means MXSports has no obligation to either WADA (as a nonsignatory) or the FIM (as a nonmember).

Begs the issue of what Stew's obligation to the FIM are (and vice versa). But what you read is what people have been ignoring, or not getting, or pretending wasn't the case, which is that the FIM is not the boss of AMA Pro Racing or MXSports. The entities have been coexisting since the AMA's sale of AMA Pro Racing, which is easier when there isn't a hot button issue provoking one or both to take a stand about it.
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WORCSRacer wrote:
Who really cares what the FIM thinks? SX is an American Series that the world's best talent comes to. AMA Motocross is an American Series that...
Who really cares what the FIM thinks?

SX is an American Series that the world's best talent comes to. AMA Motocross is an American Series that the world's best talent comes to. Both are the pinnacle of the sport. PERIOD.

As far as I can tell the FIM brings very little to the party in either discipline and frankly they have done more damage than good overall since their involvement. No crime has been committed and the world isn't going to stop spinning if he races.

Let him race and if next year the FIM decides to get pissy about Stewart the Feld can tell them to "shove off, who needs you?"

It's about time someone stood up to their stupidity.
Totally agree.
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All of these posts about this topic, every single one of them, can be distilled down to one question?

Do we follow the letter of the law, or do we follow the spirit of the law? not everyone will unanimously agree on this one--there will be two sides

Logic would suggest we follow the spirit of the law, and so thats the side I'm on.

I don't think James intended to "enhance" his performance, and that fits in with the spirit of the law, which is to keep competitors from "enhancing" their performance. Not to keep people from taking medications and health supplements.
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Katoomey wrote:
All of these posts about this topic, every single one of them, can be distilled down to one question? Do we follow the letter of the...
All of these posts about this topic, every single one of them, can be distilled down to one question?

Do we follow the letter of the law, or do we follow the spirit of the law? not everyone will unanimously agree on this one--there will be two sides

Logic would suggest we follow the spirit of the law, and so thats the side I'm on.

I don't think James intended to "enhance" his performance, and that fits in with the spirit of the law, which is to keep competitors from "enhancing" their performance. Not to keep people from taking medications and health supplements.
I would agree 100% IF he would have got a TUE to begin with and went through the proper channels. I can only assume he didn't because he was cheating. To say he forgot it is a bunch of bull. You don't forget something you put in your mouth every day that you know is a illegal substance. Didn't know it was illegal? Some more bullshit.
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Katoomey wrote:
All of these posts about this topic, every single one of them, can be distilled down to one question? Do we follow the letter of the...
All of these posts about this topic, every single one of them, can be distilled down to one question?

Do we follow the letter of the law, or do we follow the spirit of the law? not everyone will unanimously agree on this one--there will be two sides

Logic would suggest we follow the spirit of the law, and so thats the side I'm on.

I don't think James intended to "enhance" his performance, and that fits in with the spirit of the law, which is to keep competitors from "enhancing" their performance. Not to keep people from taking medications and health supplements.
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I would agree 100% IF he would have got a TUE to begin with and went through the proper channels. I can only assume he didn't...
I would agree 100% IF he would have got a TUE to begin with and went through the proper channels. I can only assume he didn't because he was cheating. To say he forgot it is a bunch of bull. You don't forget something you put in your mouth every day that you know is a illegal substance. Didn't know it was illegal? Some more bullshit.
The , i forgot excuse is lame , he is a grown man, i bet if he got shorted on a paycheck he would not forget how much his check was supposed to be for.
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He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules? In hindsight, yes.

If he was going to cheat there are much better drugs out there to do it with.

These threads are amusing Smile
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He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules...
He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules? In hindsight, yes.

If he was going to cheat there are much better drugs out there to do it with.

These threads are amusing Smile
Your right about one thing, these threads are amusing. If it was on the banned list it doesn't matter what drug it was.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules...
He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules? In hindsight, yes.

If he was going to cheat there are much better drugs out there to do it with.

These threads are amusing Smile
lol, lemme guess the police arrest was also a mis understanding. he s grown, its on the list of illegal sunstances, gonna play gonna pay. has 20 manfriends, pretty sure they can read and maybe should have read the rulebook. you think if his check wassupposed to be for 50k and he got 5k he would let it slide because he did not read the pay stub?
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ING,

They are going to defend him regardless man, it blows goats ...to much RED BULL money and not enough balls...

F it...I'm going riding.
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules...
He may have thought since he had a prescription it was nothing to be concerned with. Should he have read every word in the WADA rules? In hindsight, yes.

If he was going to cheat there are much better drugs out there to do it with.

These threads are amusing Smile
mxb2 wrote:
lol, lemme guess the police arrest was also a mis understanding. he s grown, its on the list of illegal sunstances, gonna play gonna pay. has...
lol, lemme guess the police arrest was also a mis understanding. he s grown, its on the list of illegal sunstances, gonna play gonna pay. has 20 manfriends, pretty sure they can read and maybe should have read the rulebook. you think if his check wassupposed to be for 50k and he got 5k he would let it slide because he did not read the pay stub?
Obviously screwing around with the light was stupid.

Yes, someone should have read the WADA rules, if they didn't.

If he was shorted money on his check, yes he would probably want the money owed.

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