James Stewart is not a cheater

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6/23/2014 7:21pm
Nerd wrote:
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in...
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in a less controlled way) as Adderall.
I can't even comprehend this so please elaborate:

are you saying the ADD/ADHD was new to him?
or now he no longer gets adrenaline to improve his symptoms?
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Nerd wrote:
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in...
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in a less controlled way) as Adderall.
smeg wrote:
Jesus dude! How many excuses are you going to come up with for him.
You continue to repeatedly prove you didn't read the column.
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Nerd wrote:
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in...
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in a less controlled way) as Adderall.
I can't even comprehend this so please elaborate: are you saying the ADD/ADHD was new to him? or now he no longer gets adrenaline to improve...
I can't even comprehend this so please elaborate:

are you saying the ADD/ADHD was new to him?
or now he no longer gets adrenaline to improve his symptoms?
Did you read the column?
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You guys keep forgetting that a bunch of racers out there are on the same exact medication with a TUE. If it's somehow an "unfair advantage"...
You guys keep forgetting that a bunch of racers out there are on the same exact medication with a TUE. If it's somehow an "unfair advantage" why would they let ANYONE use it?
It depends on dose and how long he has been taking it. Do you know either of those things?
If the dose is what was prescribed, the rest doesn't really matter. The point is that other people are definitely allowed per the rules to take Adderall and other ADHD medications by filing a TUE with WADA (indoors) and USADA (outdoors).

And it seems as if you guys keep forgetting that when you make claims about the benefits that Stewart may get from taking the same medication.

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6/23/2014 7:51pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 8:00pm
Steve, your piece is obviously very interesting as it explores many areas of the issue, which is complex as soon as you bring in the "moral" angle (JS is not "cheating").

As far as the main subject goes, FTE's contributions, as usual, have brought a lot to the table, so I won't extrapolate.

So I'll focus on the "they might all have ADD/ADHD" part and dissect it some...

"Most MX riders have ADD/ADHD, that's why they end up there".

I never thought about it this way and you may very well be up to something with that one !

So let's start with this original assumption that having ADD/ADHD is/could be as much of an advantage -although not an unfair advantage- for MX/SX as being 7'1" for basketball.

(sidebar : could'nt it be seen as a -more clinically in-depth- variation of the "MX racers being type A personalities" debate ? whatever the case, James definitely seems to qualify)

You bring some valuable information in the fact that you know of other top-riders that share the condition and medical treatment that James got caught for, only they did not get tested yet or had presented their TUE ahead of time, in accordance with the rule.

It needs to be noted that more than half the peloton in cyclism has a permanent TUE for asthma and that, in itself, is considered with a strong dose of skepticism by observers and fans of that sport.

It is an inevitable form of loophole in the system : if you do not have true asthma and found a corrupted doctor, taking anti-asthma medication automatically gives you an (unfair) advantage over your non-TUE'd competition.

While if you indeed have asthma, the TUE is supposed to allow you to compete at "more fair" level (although we enter a grey area right there, hence the suspicion).

Now, if we assume ADD/ADHD is an advantage in our sport (the basketball comparison), to begin with, wouldn't taking Aderrall bring that advantage to an unfair level (over those who do not have ADD/ADHD) anyway ?

I guess this is an interesting debate because there is a lot at stake : "I need to get a good start" is arguably the most common sentence in the racers' interviewes.

Aderrall improves focus, eye-hand coordination, etc.

What else needs to be said ?

Every racer behind the gate would love to benefit of what Aderrall brings, especially with SX !

Yet only those ADD/ADHD "legally" can.

The fact that ADD/ADHD's diagnosis is often arguable in itself does not help.

Having a few medically-diagnosed, Aderrall-prescribed, TUE-covered individuals behind the gate seems acceptable.

If it's half the field, though, what should we think ?



One word also on the governing bodies situation.

The FIM is the internationally recognized motorcycle federation.

It's representative in the US is the AMA; they basically handle SX together.

The AMA has sold its Pro Racing division (besides SX) to the Daytona group (which has historically stuck with the AMA).

Daytona has sold the MX Nationals rights to MX Sports (which has also long been an AMA partner).

So one may consider that there is no direct link between the Nationals promoter and the FIM (but there is a chain of links).

This is a very specific situation.

Still, in today's world of sports, if you are suspended by the main international federation (which the FIM obviously is), you're just not performing anywhere until you are cleared.

And MX Sports itself took historic steps on the matter just a couple of months ago, so it is a very touchy subject.

The legal aspects may be the determining factor in having James on the gate this summer, or not (FTE?).












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6/23/2014 8:01pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 8:05pm
Big Lenny wrote:
Yeah, no mention of his 24-0 season...Go figure...Dry
You realize you're proving my point right?

Or is his ADD/ADHD sporadic?
smeg wrote:
Damn, why did you tell him? LOL
I doubt you two idiots know what was even written, the article was about his crashing from his 125 day's thru his 450 career and when was he granted an illegal substance?...We understand that you don't like him...
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What does the Champ think about it?...



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You realize you're proving my point right?

Or is his ADD/ADHD sporadic?
smeg wrote:
Damn, why did you tell him? LOL
Big Lenny wrote:
I doubt you two idiots know what was even written, the article was about his crashing from his 125 day's thru his 450 career and when...
I doubt you two idiots know what was even written, the article was about his crashing from his 125 day's thru his 450 career and when was he granted an illegal substance?...We understand that you don't like him...
"Ain't no fun when the wabbit has the gun"
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Big Lenny wrote:
What does the Champ think about it?... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/06/23/57764/s1200_1109_ryan_villopoto.jpg[/img]
What does the Champ think about it?...



I'm thinking he is thinking it was perfect timing to take a vacation.
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6/23/2014 10:32pm
Nerd wrote:
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in...
Because it was still new to him back then, so he still had adrenaline playing a role, which does the same thing for ADHD folks (in a less controlled way) as Adderall.
smeg wrote:
Jesus dude! How many excuses are you going to come up with for him.
Nerd wrote:
You continue to repeatedly prove you didn't read the column.
I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems you're dodging the question Steve
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Sorry quoted the wrong one, phone problems bro. Next one down from the one I quoted
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peelout wrote:
Sorry quoted the wrong one, phone problems bro. Next one down from the one I quoted
If that's what you think, you probably didn't read it, either.
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6/23/2014 10:55pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 10:55pm
peelout wrote:
Sorry quoted the wrong one, phone problems bro. Next one down from the one I quoted
Nerd wrote:
If that's what you think, you probably didn't read it, either.
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here.

Through this day you have gone from being a level headed contributor, to this. Proof reading this crap over and over isn't healthy.
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peelout wrote:
Sorry quoted the wrong one, phone problems bro. Next one down from the one I quoted
Nerd wrote:
If that's what you think, you probably didn't read it, either.
JeepnMike wrote:
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here. Through this day you...
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here.

Through this day you have gone from being a level headed contributor, to this. Proof reading this crap over and over isn't healthy.
Point is, this stuff was addressed in the column. If it's annoying, read the column.
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Nerd wrote:
If that's what you think, you probably didn't read it, either.
JeepnMike wrote:
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here. Through this day you...
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here.

Through this day you have gone from being a level headed contributor, to this. Proof reading this crap over and over isn't healthy.
Nerd wrote:
Point is, this stuff was addressed in the column. If it's annoying, read the column.
Laughing
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JeepnMike wrote:
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here. Through this day you...
Every one of your "you didn't read my article" comments that are borderline condescending, I can hear your ego growing from here.

Through this day you have gone from being a level headed contributor, to this. Proof reading this crap over and over isn't healthy.
Nerd wrote:
Point is, this stuff was addressed in the column. If it's annoying, read the column.
Big Lenny wrote:
Laughing
What is funny Lenny? Come up with something witty....

Oh wait, you only have insults in your pocket. You go 'big guy'.

My comment was for Steve, and should be construed as constructive criticism to an intelligent writer. I am glad you feel adding a smiley face to his reply made you feel like you were 'with him' or more witty or intelligent for a brief moment.

Lenny will reply with something insulting and immature... Enjoy.
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6/23/2014 11:16pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 11:16pm
My favorite tweet abut this column was from a guy who said the column was too long and he couldn't read it.

I suggested ADD meds.
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GuyB wrote:
My favorite tweet abut this column was from a guy who said the column was too long and he couldn't read it.

I suggested ADD meds.
Silly
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Nerd wrote:
Point is, this stuff was addressed in the column. If it's annoying, read the column.
Big Lenny wrote:
Laughing
JeepnMike wrote:
What is funny Lenny? Come up with something witty.... Oh wait, you only have insults in your pocket. You go 'big guy'. My comment was for...
What is funny Lenny? Come up with something witty....

Oh wait, you only have insults in your pocket. You go 'big guy'.

My comment was for Steve, and should be construed as constructive criticism to an intelligent writer. I am glad you feel adding a smiley face to his reply made you feel like you were 'with him' or more witty or intelligent for a brief moment.

Lenny will reply with something insulting and immature... Enjoy.
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how Peelout insulted me and you didn't make a peep...That usually happens when one party is scared of the other...Wink
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Big Lenny wrote:
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how [b]Peelout[/b] insulted me and you didn't make a...
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how Peelout insulted me and you didn't make a peep...That usually happens when one party is scared of the other...Wink
Peelout was correct. And you drop plenty of insults at other people. That's probably not an area you should go pointing at.
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6/23/2014 11:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 11:52pm
Big Lenny wrote:
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how [b]Peelout[/b] insulted me and you didn't make a...
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how Peelout insulted me and you didn't make a peep...That usually happens when one party is scared of the other...Wink
GuyB wrote:
Peelout was correct. And you drop plenty of insults at other people. That's probably not an area you should go pointing at.
So Peelout's never insulted another member is what you're saying?, or if you're "correct" it's OK?.. I'm the only one here I get it....Dry
6/24/2014 12:50am
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It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue. We all know the stories of Ritalin...
It depends on whether he was taking it to focus more out on the track or for real issue.

We all know the stories of Ritalin and Adderall to help you study better, etc. He might of found an advantage that it helped him with motocross.
And what if it was for recreational use?
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6/24/2014 12:58am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2014 1:17am
jndmx wrote:
So Steve.....answer on this?
Nerd wrote:
I have no idea what other people do or don't know. Why would I?
jndmx wrote:
You don't know if the teams competing in the series were informed of the WADA testing guidelines?
Hey Steve

You keep answering back to people on all the "emotional" portions of this thread but you keep ducking this simple question.
Our old pal TFS would say that when a guy stops answering the factual questions and starts stirring shit instead that means something.

I know from the post you put up of Crashy's little edit that you get notifications on your phone when someone replies to this thread so why aren't you answering the simple factual questions I am asking you?

To review I asked if James has a prescription and obtained a TUE would that satisfy WADA and you said yes he had one and it would have.

I then followed up by asking if the team was aware of the WADA testing protocol and you answered above:
"I have no idea what other people do or don't know. Why would I?"
Really Steve? You are a reporter for the series and you don't have any idea?

So again I am asking you.....

Were the teams competing in the series informed of the WADA testing guidelines?
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I miss the 70's....
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Blah Blah Blah...got caught, SFU. Either piss or get of the pot, let him ride with a penalty or make a point. Just do something you Candy ASS AMA / FIM clowns.

My vote is let him ride.

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Big Lenny wrote:
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how [b]Peelout[/b] insulted me and you didn't make a...
Look the comment was funny to me, now you're gonna regulate what I'm allowed to laugh at?..Funny how Peelout insulted me and you didn't make a peep...That usually happens when one party is scared of the other...Wink
GuyB wrote:
Peelout was correct. And you drop plenty of insults at other people. That's probably not an area you should go pointing at.
Big Lenny wrote:
So Peelout's never insulted another member is what you're saying?, or if you're "correct" it's OK?.. I'm the only one here I get it....Dry
You're the only one who insults people all day, every day.
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Blah Blah Blah...got caught, SFU. Either piss or get of the pot, let him ride with a penalty or make a point. Just do something you...
Blah Blah Blah...got caught, SFU. Either piss or get of the pot, let him ride with a penalty or make a point. Just do something you Candy ASS AMA / FIM clowns.

My vote is let him ride.

No shit. He didn't have the proper paper work lined up. Fine the shit out of him and get on with this already. Fuckin stupid.
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Not only is Adderall used for ADD treatment it is also used to treat post concussion syndrome. James has had his bell rung more than a few times throughout his career. Not saying that is the reason...just a possible reason.

I don't view his prescribed meds as a means of cheating. Had he submitted the correct paperwork there would be no issue. The sanctioning body and testing organizations agree the medication can be used with a doctors approval.

I too have missed deadlines, forgot to complete a project or did not complete something correctly from time to time. At times there have been consequences for my lack of action and at times it has been no big deal.

I hope this serves as a lesson to all of us in regards to dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. I hope we can see James finish his career on the track rather than watching from the sidelines due to a clerical error.


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6/24/2014 6:09am Edited Date/Time 6/24/2014 6:15am
The issue isn't just that he didn't file paperwork, which is what it seems most people assume. Filing out a form and providing a script from a doctor does not earn the athlete a TUE, A committee of three or more sports physicians investigate if the medication is truly necessary and safe for the athlete. This is a necessary control because receiving scripts from doctors for medications is fairly easy, especially for a drug like adderrall.

We don't know, maybe James filed for a TUE and was denied. Not claiming this to be fact, but possibly.

Saying he just didn't fill out the paperwork is incorrect.
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Someone needs to make up a bunch of "free bubba" t shirts. Those things would sell like hit cakes right now.

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