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joeellis 6/18/2014 1:11pm
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I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their helmets, but I know they are trying to elevate safety standards.

With that said, I believe there are other manufacturers that are also trying to provide us with safer products. I currently own 3 helmets and I believe each are dedicated to providing safer helmets for us. I can't speak on any manufacturer's behalf as to how safe their product is, but I'd like to do other comparisons between the 3 I own.

I own a Fly Racing Formula Stryper, Shoei VFX-W and Bell Moto-9 Carbon (pre all carbon version).

Weight (lightest first) - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Comfort - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Ventilation - Bell, Fly, Shoei
Fit (my head is of the oval variety) - Bell, Shoei, Fly

A few things I'd like to point out is my head measures 23 5/8 and I typically wear a 7 1/2 fitted hat. I wear a large in the Shoei and Fly, but I need an extra large in the Bell. Even though the Bell is XL, it still tends to stay more secure on my head, although each helmet stays quite secure. The Fly must be a better fit for a round type head, because I get considerably more force on my forehead than with the other 2 helmets. Other than that fact, all 3 helmets are very plush and comfortable. The Shoei is very marginally more comfortable than the Bell in my opinion and I want to emphasize that.

I agree with many of the posters here that have already stated the importance of trying a helmet before purchase if possible. That wasn't an option for me and that is the reason I currently own 3. The very top of the line helmets are probably very comparable in most respects, but the best fit is different for each individual. The one that fits best for me will not work for everyone obviously.

In my opinion, our protective gear (and probably the helmet) is the most important decision we make. Top quality helmets are not cheap at all, but I like to feel like I am protected as much as possible.
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Dragon67 6/19/2014 10:15pm
6/19/2014 10:15pm
joeellis wrote:
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their...
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their helmets, but I know they are trying to elevate safety standards.

With that said, I believe there are other manufacturers that are also trying to provide us with safer products. I currently own 3 helmets and I believe each are dedicated to providing safer helmets for us. I can't speak on any manufacturer's behalf as to how safe their product is, but I'd like to do other comparisons between the 3 I own.

I own a Fly Racing Formula Stryper, Shoei VFX-W and Bell Moto-9 Carbon (pre all carbon version).

Weight (lightest first) - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Comfort - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Ventilation - Bell, Fly, Shoei
Fit (my head is of the oval variety) - Bell, Shoei, Fly

A few things I'd like to point out is my head measures 23 5/8 and I typically wear a 7 1/2 fitted hat. I wear a large in the Shoei and Fly, but I need an extra large in the Bell. Even though the Bell is XL, it still tends to stay more secure on my head, although each helmet stays quite secure. The Fly must be a better fit for a round type head, because I get considerably more force on my forehead than with the other 2 helmets. Other than that fact, all 3 helmets are very plush and comfortable. The Shoei is very marginally more comfortable than the Bell in my opinion and I want to emphasize that.

I agree with many of the posters here that have already stated the importance of trying a helmet before purchase if possible. That wasn't an option for me and that is the reason I currently own 3. The very top of the line helmets are probably very comparable in most respects, but the best fit is different for each individual. The one that fits best for me will not work for everyone obviously.

In my opinion, our protective gear (and probably the helmet) is the most important decision we make. Top quality helmets are not cheap at all, but I like to feel like I am protected as much as possible.
I think there is more awareness now than ever before about helmet safety, which is really just another way of saying impact protection. Let's face it, all helmets are safe. Wearing one probably won't cause injury, right? Not wearing one is just crazy . . . as I found when taking a simple test ride with my son's bike. I had the helmet on, even though I considered it a low risk deal. The front brakes locked up and put me in the hospital for a few days. As it happens, I was wearing a slightly snug 6D. I have crashed, a lot, but I have never been as broken as I was that day. When my head hit the ground, I prepared for lights out. Turns out the lack of stars or any pain at all made me very well aware of every other bone that was broken. The doc in the ER told my wife "He's strong, that's why he's still with us (seriously!) then a nurse catheterized me and they put me in an ambulance to a trauma center. One thing they could not believe was I did not have a concussion. True story.

My son has taken a few bad crashes as well, with videos posted elsewhere, and he has never sustained a concussion with a 6D helmet. He had a headache for a few minutes after a really bad crash that destroyed the lid, and I was counting down to concussion time, but it never came. Unreal.

I read everything I can helmet related, and I have learned to differentiate between marketing (which includes helmet standards, by the way) and reality. I read mags like MXA and Dirt Bike cover-to-cover, so I see the ads and the "tests". To MXA's credit, I think there have been 3 helmets they consider "Five Star", and that evaluation was based on "safety" (which is impact protection). One of them was the Shoei you have. Arai was the other, and here is what they said about the ATR-1:

"MXA has only given five stars to two helmets over the last 20 years. The 6D ATR-1 is the third."

I give them credit for that, because they are differentiating, but 20 years? That is a long time for technology. When I first put my son on two wheels, I figured a helmet was a helmet, and if it had a certain certification sticker on it, it was just as good as anything else with the same sticker. I really believed that. I was really wrong.

We can expect "safety" to become more of a core marketing message since 6D came out. It matters. I remember reading that article in MXA and asking my wife "What do you think about buying Liam a $750 helmet?" I was kind of joking, really. She told me to do it if I thought it was right. So, I did some research and decided it was right. Days after that conversation my son was curled up in a ball on a track and that helmet looked like it went through a war. He was completely unhurt. A couple years later, and a few crashes later, I have done a lot more research into helmets.

I can buy any helmet I want for my son, mostly because his safety is more important than my retirement . . . or, really, anything else. I don't care in the least about weight, comfort, or ventilation (though the ATR-1 is a Cadillac lid from those perspectives) I care about what happens in the few milliseconds between helmet hitting ground and brain hitting skull. If you had told me before I experienced it myself that you can feel those milliseconds, I would have said "No way!" but you can. If other helmet manufacturers are focused on the stuff that happens in those milliseconds, good for all of us. I would love to see more websites like 6D's. Only because impact protection matters.

No doubt your head is in the right place about helmets. There is a difference.
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joeellis 6/20/2014 4:36am
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joeellis wrote:
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their...
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their helmets, but I know they are trying to elevate safety standards.

With that said, I believe there are other manufacturers that are also trying to provide us with safer products. I currently own 3 helmets and I believe each are dedicated to providing safer helmets for us. I can't speak on any manufacturer's behalf as to how safe their product is, but I'd like to do other comparisons between the 3 I own.

I own a Fly Racing Formula Stryper, Shoei VFX-W and Bell Moto-9 Carbon (pre all carbon version).

Weight (lightest first) - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Comfort - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Ventilation - Bell, Fly, Shoei
Fit (my head is of the oval variety) - Bell, Shoei, Fly

A few things I'd like to point out is my head measures 23 5/8 and I typically wear a 7 1/2 fitted hat. I wear a large in the Shoei and Fly, but I need an extra large in the Bell. Even though the Bell is XL, it still tends to stay more secure on my head, although each helmet stays quite secure. The Fly must be a better fit for a round type head, because I get considerably more force on my forehead than with the other 2 helmets. Other than that fact, all 3 helmets are very plush and comfortable. The Shoei is very marginally more comfortable than the Bell in my opinion and I want to emphasize that.

I agree with many of the posters here that have already stated the importance of trying a helmet before purchase if possible. That wasn't an option for me and that is the reason I currently own 3. The very top of the line helmets are probably very comparable in most respects, but the best fit is different for each individual. The one that fits best for me will not work for everyone obviously.

In my opinion, our protective gear (and probably the helmet) is the most important decision we make. Top quality helmets are not cheap at all, but I like to feel like I am protected as much as possible.
Dragon67 wrote:
I think there is more awareness now than ever before about helmet safety, which is really just another way of saying impact protection. Let's face it...
I think there is more awareness now than ever before about helmet safety, which is really just another way of saying impact protection. Let's face it, all helmets are safe. Wearing one probably won't cause injury, right? Not wearing one is just crazy . . . as I found when taking a simple test ride with my son's bike. I had the helmet on, even though I considered it a low risk deal. The front brakes locked up and put me in the hospital for a few days. As it happens, I was wearing a slightly snug 6D. I have crashed, a lot, but I have never been as broken as I was that day. When my head hit the ground, I prepared for lights out. Turns out the lack of stars or any pain at all made me very well aware of every other bone that was broken. The doc in the ER told my wife "He's strong, that's why he's still with us (seriously!) then a nurse catheterized me and they put me in an ambulance to a trauma center. One thing they could not believe was I did not have a concussion. True story.

My son has taken a few bad crashes as well, with videos posted elsewhere, and he has never sustained a concussion with a 6D helmet. He had a headache for a few minutes after a really bad crash that destroyed the lid, and I was counting down to concussion time, but it never came. Unreal.

I read everything I can helmet related, and I have learned to differentiate between marketing (which includes helmet standards, by the way) and reality. I read mags like MXA and Dirt Bike cover-to-cover, so I see the ads and the "tests". To MXA's credit, I think there have been 3 helmets they consider "Five Star", and that evaluation was based on "safety" (which is impact protection). One of them was the Shoei you have. Arai was the other, and here is what they said about the ATR-1:

"MXA has only given five stars to two helmets over the last 20 years. The 6D ATR-1 is the third."

I give them credit for that, because they are differentiating, but 20 years? That is a long time for technology. When I first put my son on two wheels, I figured a helmet was a helmet, and if it had a certain certification sticker on it, it was just as good as anything else with the same sticker. I really believed that. I was really wrong.

We can expect "safety" to become more of a core marketing message since 6D came out. It matters. I remember reading that article in MXA and asking my wife "What do you think about buying Liam a $750 helmet?" I was kind of joking, really. She told me to do it if I thought it was right. So, I did some research and decided it was right. Days after that conversation my son was curled up in a ball on a track and that helmet looked like it went through a war. He was completely unhurt. A couple years later, and a few crashes later, I have done a lot more research into helmets.

I can buy any helmet I want for my son, mostly because his safety is more important than my retirement . . . or, really, anything else. I don't care in the least about weight, comfort, or ventilation (though the ATR-1 is a Cadillac lid from those perspectives) I care about what happens in the few milliseconds between helmet hitting ground and brain hitting skull. If you had told me before I experienced it myself that you can feel those milliseconds, I would have said "No way!" but you can. If other helmet manufacturers are focused on the stuff that happens in those milliseconds, good for all of us. I would love to see more websites like 6D's. Only because impact protection matters.

No doubt your head is in the right place about helmets. There is a difference.
I wish there was a more definitive way to list the virtues of each manufacturer's safety credentials. It is a difficult to find video information regarding Shoei & Arai helmets. Bell & 6D is much easier. I have seen videos on the rigorous testing that Bell subjects their helmets to. They put their helmets through multiple tests that subject them to various forces that may occur during a crash. These tests are obviously simulated, but probably the very best way manufacturer's have to impart these forces to see how their product will hold up.

I feel very sure that the other top manufacturer's put their helmets through very similar tests and in some (if not all) cases, the exact same. The technology that 6D has developed appears to be very impressive and it seems to be a monumental step in the positive evolution of protective gear. While everything these companies innovate seems to be an improvement, the testing (at least in my mind) is hypothetical. Every crash, imparted force, individual rider is different and while testing has been elevated to the current highest level, these are still lab generated results.

Your experience is very important and well taken. There is no doubt in my mind that 6D helmets are as protective as the other 3 we mention here, but there is no way to prove if any one helmet is truly superior to the rest in my opinion. We can read many posts here describing the virtues of any of these helmets. There are several that will describe similar scenarios you describe while wearing these other brands. They are all superb helmets in my opinion.

The key is for us to purchase what we place the most confidence in, at least until one helmet is undeniably proven to be better than the rest. As you said, our children's safety should require that we do the very best for them. I'm with you on that. My son doesn't race, but I still spent lots of hard earned cash to buy him the best protection I could.
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DaveJ 6/20/2014 9:35am
6/20/2014 9:35am
joeellis wrote:
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their...
I appreciate the effort everyone at 6D is putting in trying to achieve greater safety for everyone in our sport. I have no experience with their helmets, but I know they are trying to elevate safety standards.

With that said, I believe there are other manufacturers that are also trying to provide us with safer products. I currently own 3 helmets and I believe each are dedicated to providing safer helmets for us. I can't speak on any manufacturer's behalf as to how safe their product is, but I'd like to do other comparisons between the 3 I own.

I own a Fly Racing Formula Stryper, Shoei VFX-W and Bell Moto-9 Carbon (pre all carbon version).

Weight (lightest first) - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Comfort - Shoei, Bell, Fly
Ventilation - Bell, Fly, Shoei
Fit (my head is of the oval variety) - Bell, Shoei, Fly

A few things I'd like to point out is my head measures 23 5/8 and I typically wear a 7 1/2 fitted hat. I wear a large in the Shoei and Fly, but I need an extra large in the Bell. Even though the Bell is XL, it still tends to stay more secure on my head, although each helmet stays quite secure. The Fly must be a better fit for a round type head, because I get considerably more force on my forehead than with the other 2 helmets. Other than that fact, all 3 helmets are very plush and comfortable. The Shoei is very marginally more comfortable than the Bell in my opinion and I want to emphasize that.

I agree with many of the posters here that have already stated the importance of trying a helmet before purchase if possible. That wasn't an option for me and that is the reason I currently own 3. The very top of the line helmets are probably very comparable in most respects, but the best fit is different for each individual. The one that fits best for me will not work for everyone obviously.

In my opinion, our protective gear (and probably the helmet) is the most important decision we make. Top quality helmets are not cheap at all, but I like to feel like I am protected as much as possible.
Dragon67 wrote:
I think there is more awareness now than ever before about helmet safety, which is really just another way of saying impact protection. Let's face it...
I think there is more awareness now than ever before about helmet safety, which is really just another way of saying impact protection. Let's face it, all helmets are safe. Wearing one probably won't cause injury, right? Not wearing one is just crazy . . . as I found when taking a simple test ride with my son's bike. I had the helmet on, even though I considered it a low risk deal. The front brakes locked up and put me in the hospital for a few days. As it happens, I was wearing a slightly snug 6D. I have crashed, a lot, but I have never been as broken as I was that day. When my head hit the ground, I prepared for lights out. Turns out the lack of stars or any pain at all made me very well aware of every other bone that was broken. The doc in the ER told my wife "He's strong, that's why he's still with us (seriously!) then a nurse catheterized me and they put me in an ambulance to a trauma center. One thing they could not believe was I did not have a concussion. True story.

My son has taken a few bad crashes as well, with videos posted elsewhere, and he has never sustained a concussion with a 6D helmet. He had a headache for a few minutes after a really bad crash that destroyed the lid, and I was counting down to concussion time, but it never came. Unreal.

I read everything I can helmet related, and I have learned to differentiate between marketing (which includes helmet standards, by the way) and reality. I read mags like MXA and Dirt Bike cover-to-cover, so I see the ads and the "tests". To MXA's credit, I think there have been 3 helmets they consider "Five Star", and that evaluation was based on "safety" (which is impact protection). One of them was the Shoei you have. Arai was the other, and here is what they said about the ATR-1:

"MXA has only given five stars to two helmets over the last 20 years. The 6D ATR-1 is the third."

I give them credit for that, because they are differentiating, but 20 years? That is a long time for technology. When I first put my son on two wheels, I figured a helmet was a helmet, and if it had a certain certification sticker on it, it was just as good as anything else with the same sticker. I really believed that. I was really wrong.

We can expect "safety" to become more of a core marketing message since 6D came out. It matters. I remember reading that article in MXA and asking my wife "What do you think about buying Liam a $750 helmet?" I was kind of joking, really. She told me to do it if I thought it was right. So, I did some research and decided it was right. Days after that conversation my son was curled up in a ball on a track and that helmet looked like it went through a war. He was completely unhurt. A couple years later, and a few crashes later, I have done a lot more research into helmets.

I can buy any helmet I want for my son, mostly because his safety is more important than my retirement . . . or, really, anything else. I don't care in the least about weight, comfort, or ventilation (though the ATR-1 is a Cadillac lid from those perspectives) I care about what happens in the few milliseconds between helmet hitting ground and brain hitting skull. If you had told me before I experienced it myself that you can feel those milliseconds, I would have said "No way!" but you can. If other helmet manufacturers are focused on the stuff that happens in those milliseconds, good for all of us. I would love to see more websites like 6D's. Only because impact protection matters.

No doubt your head is in the right place about helmets. There is a difference.
Ideally, I hope we are headed towards a type of technology where the helmet becomes smart enough to adjust based on the type of impact. The other option is to dampen at a rate that offers full protection regardless of the type of crash.

The later of the two means a helmet twice the size of where we are, so it will take more technology to create something compact and light with the highest level of protection.

The ideal helmet is the helmet that becomes a helmet a fraction of a second before we need it. This concept is really what should be on the drawing boards for all types of safety equipment. When that begins to happen, we enter into a world of injury free riding...and gone are the days of rigid-only bracing and suppression.





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Dragon67 6/20/2014 8:52pm
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joeellis wrote:
I wish there was a more definitive way to list the virtues of each manufacturer's safety credentials. It is a difficult to find video information regarding...
I wish there was a more definitive way to list the virtues of each manufacturer's safety credentials. It is a difficult to find video information regarding Shoei & Arai helmets. Bell & 6D is much easier. I have seen videos on the rigorous testing that Bell subjects their helmets to. They put their helmets through multiple tests that subject them to various forces that may occur during a crash. These tests are obviously simulated, but probably the very best way manufacturer's have to impart these forces to see how their product will hold up.

I feel very sure that the other top manufacturer's put their helmets through very similar tests and in some (if not all) cases, the exact same. The technology that 6D has developed appears to be very impressive and it seems to be a monumental step in the positive evolution of protective gear. While everything these companies innovate seems to be an improvement, the testing (at least in my mind) is hypothetical. Every crash, imparted force, individual rider is different and while testing has been elevated to the current highest level, these are still lab generated results.

Your experience is very important and well taken. There is no doubt in my mind that 6D helmets are as protective as the other 3 we mention here, but there is no way to prove if any one helmet is truly superior to the rest in my opinion. We can read many posts here describing the virtues of any of these helmets. There are several that will describe similar scenarios you describe while wearing these other brands. They are all superb helmets in my opinion.

The key is for us to purchase what we place the most confidence in, at least until one helmet is undeniably proven to be better than the rest. As you said, our children's safety should require that we do the very best for them. I'm with you on that. My son doesn't race, but I still spent lots of hard earned cash to buy him the best protection I could.
The 6D lid has undeniably proven to be better than the rest. There is no reasonable comparison between a Bell Moto 9 and a 6D ATR-1. I wish that were not true, because as much as I like the 6D team, I want more helmet innovation now, not years from now.

I have seen data about the Moto 9 offered by others who sell Bell products, but I have been frustrated trying to find data on my own. Google "Bell Moto 9 Data" and you get . . . marketing. Then Google "6D Data". That leads you to a website rich with data; not just 6D data, but comparative data.

I am sure Bell tests their helmets thoroughly. I am familiar with the Dome from the videos, but testing does nothing for us without data. Put it this way, Bell has the Dome they are very proud of, right? How many 6Ds have been destroyed in testing in that Dome? Probably about as many as I have purchased, which is saying something. My point is, if they had a product even equal to the 6D from a data perspective, we would see that data. 6D is aware that data is data, so putting it right out there for all to see and say "Go ahead, beat it!" takes courage and confidence. I think it was brilliant.

Your argument about anecdotal evidence would be appropriate, except my anecdotal experience, and my son's, and Zach Bell's, and many, many others in real life crash events are consistent. Obviously, the database continues to grow. Crashes happen. Crashing with a 6D is unlike crashing with any other helmet. It is far softer and you can feel it slowing your head down. It is a miracle of technology that I have read about, witnessed, videotaped and personally experienced.

Of course, you can wear whatever you want, and buy your son whatever you think is best. Doesn't matter that your son doesn't race, a crash is a crash, and a concussion is a concussion. You don't want him to have any of those, much less a few of them. Google Dragon67 Helmet. That's where my interest in the subject started in earnest. Thanks for the discussion.

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DaveJ 6/21/2014 11:12am
6/21/2014 11:12am Edited Date/Time 6/21/2014 6:03pm
By the way, it's important to understand than most light hits to the head still result in an injury.

And if you have a lot of light hits to the head, over and over again, it will cause serious damage to the brain. Most of which you will not see or have to deal with until you are older.

Everyone in any sport that involves an impact to the head should watch the following.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/

And EVERYONE, parents including, should rent/watch the following documentary.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-Crash-Reel/70267552

We still have a ways to go in protecting our brains.



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Dragon67 6/23/2014 8:17pm
6/23/2014 8:17pm
That is a great post Dave. I just had this discussion with my son yesterday. He plays football for the same high school I did when I was his age. I know I sustained multiple concussions during my "career" in high school as a lineman on both sides. He is a linebacker and running back, so he gets hit a lot. I actually prefer MX to football for safety. Crazy right? but true. I am seriously considering pulling him from the program. Because of the confidence I have in his motocross lid, which represents 3 of the helmets Bob was referring to that went back to 6D in a lot worse shape than they came to us, I will continue to support my son's MX efforts. If it were not for 6D, that would not be possible.

Now, if the 6D crew could make a football helmet that didn't feel like a brick (and they do) that would be something!

Ride safe.
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kawi459y 7/11/2014 8:00pm
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I'm having shoulder surgery on monday and decided to sell all my gear and start fresh next year with gear. Selling a medium green hornet 6D that has only been worn 3 times and hasn't hit the ground once. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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Crush 9/15/2014 8:17pm
9/15/2014 8:17pm
Mildy excited!

douglasredding 9/15/2014 11:10pm
9/15/2014 11:10pm
DaveJ wrote:
By the way, it's important to understand than most light hits to the head still result in an injury. And if you have a lot of...
By the way, it's important to understand than most light hits to the head still result in an injury.

And if you have a lot of light hits to the head, over and over again, it will cause serious damage to the brain. Most of which you will not see or have to deal with until you are older.

Everyone in any sport that involves an impact to the head should watch the following.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/league-of-denial/

And EVERYONE, parents including, should rent/watch the following documentary.

http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/The-Crash-Reel/70267552

We still have a ways to go in protecting our brains.



Thanks, Dave. I ended up taking your advice and watching The Crash Reel. Of course that was fantastic and tragically sobering movie. I learned a lot and as long time snowboarder, it was very entertaining too.

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douglasredding 9/15/2014 11:12pm
9/15/2014 11:12pm
Crush wrote:
Mildy excited! [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/15018/photos/77838/s1600_Crush_6D.jpg?1410837410[/img]
Mildy excited!

You got the new color scheme, that's gorgeous! Looks like you're sending a clear message there, Crush. With the helmet in the foreground protecting all the important things in the background (pics). Smile

Congrats on the new 6D. Is this your first one? What did you have before? Curious to your ride report.

DR484
douglasredding 9/15/2014 11:15pm
9/15/2014 11:15pm
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, I heard from 6D's Cody Marion that Travis Pastrana is wearing 6D helmets now and we'll see him in one at the Red Bull Rhythm in Pomona, CA next month -- (big thumbs up TP#199 style) --

DR484
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Crush 9/15/2014 11:33pm
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douglasredding wrote:
You got the new color scheme, that's gorgeous! Looks like you're sending a clear message there, Crush. With the helmet in the foreground protecting all the...
You got the new color scheme, that's gorgeous! Looks like you're sending a clear message there, Crush. With the helmet in the foreground protecting all the important things in the background (pics). Smile

Congrats on the new 6D. Is this your first one? What did you have before? Curious to your ride report.

DR484
Mate, it looks so good in person. I was worried it was gonna be a flat orange but it's awesome. Fit is really similar to my TLDSe3 I think... Replaced that one after a head slapper to the back of the helmet, flattened out the foam ridges...

And you're right... The two Ladies in the background are more important to me than anything, so thought if I'm gonna continue to ride i'd like to know I've got the best bucket around the noggin.

May or may not have gotten some matching TLD gear. BTO has me in a vortex haha
douglasredding 9/15/2014 11:46pm
9/15/2014 11:46pm
Crush wrote:
Mate, it looks so good in person. I was worried it was gonna be a flat orange but it's awesome. Fit is really similar to my...
Mate, it looks so good in person. I was worried it was gonna be a flat orange but it's awesome. Fit is really similar to my TLDSe3 I think... Replaced that one after a head slapper to the back of the helmet, flattened out the foam ridges...

And you're right... The two Ladies in the background are more important to me than anything, so thought if I'm gonna continue to ride i'd like to know I've got the best bucket around the noggin.

May or may not have gotten some matching TLD gear. BTO has me in a vortex haha
I think it's a gorgeous helmet, too and agree, it's more impressive in person. I had a chance to see all the new helmets at their office when I picked up my rebuild. Bob mentioned they worked hard on the getting the neon colors right. Most neon color helmets fade in the sun...they worked hard to slow that process down.

I've seen your bike (it's perfect) and now with the new lid, you might be too busy signing autographs to ride! Ps., i bought mine for the exact same reason. There's 3 way more important people than me that I come home to everyday, hoping this helps me keep coming home.

Doug
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TomZ 9/16/2014 6:15am
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douglasredding wrote:
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, I heard from 6D's Cody Marion that Travis Pastrana is wearing 6D helmets now and we'll see him in one...
Don't know if anyone mentioned this, I heard from 6D's Cody Marion that Travis Pastrana is wearing 6D helmets now and we'll see him in one at the Red Bull Rhythm in Pomona, CA next month -- (big thumbs up TP#199 style) --

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TP has been in a 6D for a couple months. He has had some nice things to say about the helmet.

He is perhaps most uniquely qualified to appreciate helmet safety. The fact that he chose 6D speaks volumes.

TP has a lot to protect these days and is very conscious of brain safety.....please save the funnies about his activities and safety being used in one sentence......
privateerconnection 9/16/2014 11:54am
9/16/2014 11:54am
I am the owner of Privateer Connection and we have sold lots of 6D helmets and have had ZERO complaints on the quality and protection this helmet offers. Had a customer who was wearing one crash this past weekend at the Vurb Classic. He sustained major bruises to his head and forehead area and only got a very mild concussion. I have never seen bruising like that before and the doctor wanted to know what kind of helmet he was wearing because the Dr said it absolutely SAVED HIS LIFE.

Give us a call for all your 6D helmet needs we stock the new youth model, the adult models and we ship UPS daily. 803-980-7200
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FLmxer 10/21/2014 6:55pm
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I want to order the carbon team replica model but today my dealer said it will not be ready until the first of the year. So now I'm in a situation. I am thinking of maybe buying a cheap helmet to hold me over for two months but that is not the safest route. I just want the one I want if I am getting a 6d.
privateerconnection 10/22/2014 8:35am
10/22/2014 8:35am
FLmxer your dealer is correct the Carbon models will not be available until the first of the year. Some of the 15's will be available right before thanksgiving and the other 15's will be available in december. They will sell out fast so the sooner you act and get your name on one the better. We just did a stocking order for our shop so we can get at the front of the line. If I can be of any help give me a call at 803-980-7200. We are a 6D flight crew dealer and have helmets in stock for our customers to see, touch and try on.

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Dragon67 10/23/2014 5:28pm
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My buddy's boy got a bad concussion on my watch after a pretty mild fall with a bargain Snell lid. It put him in the hospital overnight and impacted his speech for a while. So, I bought him a 6D, which his dad paid me back for. During his last race, that kid took a big fall when he was undercut over a jump. He was run over a few times, too. The helmet, according to 6D was one of the worst they have gotten back.

It would be understandable that a previously concussed kid would be more susceptible to a concussion after a crash like that. But, not a single hint of any brain injury.

His mother went out and bought him another 6D. The things prove themselves in the real world, as well as looking good on paper. We run nothing but. In other good news, they are working on a process of QCing the shell of the helmet to make sure it is intact, then rebuilding the interior. Sounds promising.
douglasredding 10/23/2014 7:15pm
10/23/2014 7:15pm
Dragon67 wrote:
My buddy's boy got a bad concussion on my watch after a pretty mild fall with a bargain Snell lid. It put him in the hospital...
My buddy's boy got a bad concussion on my watch after a pretty mild fall with a bargain Snell lid. It put him in the hospital overnight and impacted his speech for a while. So, I bought him a 6D, which his dad paid me back for. During his last race, that kid took a big fall when he was undercut over a jump. He was run over a few times, too. The helmet, according to 6D was one of the worst they have gotten back.

It would be understandable that a previously concussed kid would be more susceptible to a concussion after a crash like that. But, not a single hint of any brain injury.

His mother went out and bought him another 6D. The things prove themselves in the real world, as well as looking good on paper. We run nothing but. In other good news, they are working on a process of QCing the shell of the helmet to make sure it is intact, then rebuilding the interior. Sounds promising.
Thanks for sharing that story, Dragon. That's pretty cool that you stepped up and bought your friends kid a premium helmet. Good on you man. I do feel the same, 6D is the only way to go right now. They are field tested and proven.

About the rebuild program, yes, it's official now. I outline my experience with it here, fyi:

6D Rebuild Details

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JB479 10/24/2014 11:15pm
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After being injured i jumped on the 6D bandwagon and ended up buying one 4 weeks ago. Ive had 6 rides with it now and I'm pretty happy with it. In my opinion the 6d fits my head a bit better but maybe the Shoei helmet was slightly more comfortable?

Anyone else find the 6d has more open vision? Im wearing 100% goggles and they just don't seem to fit well together, i may try a different brand goggle.

Overall I'm really impressed and glad i spent the extra money on the 6D. Also here in Australia 99% of the time, I'm the only person at the track wearing one, everyone wears bells,shoei etc. So its cool to be a bit different…

How good do the new helmets look! Wouldn't mind picking up another one in the next couple of months, they look unreal!
Harry Backmon 10/26/2014 12:37pm
10/26/2014 12:37pm
My son took a tumble today at the track. We don't know what happened and he doesn't remember. He was on the back part of the track and no one saw the crash. The left side of his bike, helmet and body were covered with red clay so we know what side he landed on. He's concussed pretty badly. He keeps asking me the same questions and doesn't remember going to the track or anything up until we got in the truck and left.

I've been riding with a 6D since I got a concussion one year ago this month. He is not going to ride again until he gets a 6D. He had some cheap helmet from Cycle Gear because he didn't want to spend the money. How much is your head worth? I think he knows now, but that is a hard lesson to learn.
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Crush 10/26/2014 5:14pm
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Glad he's ok John! Your head is worth everything!!

Yeah JB the goggle port is huge compared to some other helmets... even my Airbrakes kinda float a little... The dragon googles look like they'd be a good fit.
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FLmxer 10/26/2014 5:41pm
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FLmxer your dealer is correct the Carbon models will not be available until the first of the year. Some of the 15's will be available right...
FLmxer your dealer is correct the Carbon models will not be available until the first of the year. Some of the 15's will be available right before thanksgiving and the other 15's will be available in december. They will sell out fast so the sooner you act and get your name on one the better. We just did a stocking order for our shop so we can get at the front of the line. If I can be of any help give me a call at 803-980-7200. We are a 6D flight crew dealer and have helmets in stock for our customers to see, touch and try on.

Thank you. I will be definitely be in contact soon to pre order..
Harry Backmon 10/26/2014 6:31pm
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Crush wrote:
Glad he's ok John! Your head is worth everything!! Yeah JB the goggle port is huge compared to some other helmets... even my Airbrakes kinda float...
Glad he's ok John! Your head is worth everything!!

Yeah JB the goggle port is huge compared to some other helmets... even my Airbrakes kinda float a little... The dragon googles look like they'd be a good fit.
Thank you friend! I think he'll be ok. He really rung his bell though. He was found wandering the track and thought maybe he was back in Afghanistan. Weird stuff.
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Crush 10/26/2014 6:34pm
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Jessssus... That's not good!!! Sounds like he'll only have to have this one reminder tho!
Harry Backmon 10/26/2014 6:55pm
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Crush, It was really weird. See, there are two tracks that one can ride on where we were today. One is a sand track out back and then the regular clay track most of us stick to. Tim often goes off and rides the sand track and a rider can't really be seen on the sand track. So when he didn't come around on the regular clay track I thought he'd done his usual trick and went back to the sand track. I was sitting by the truck and just watching. Well, after a bit he comes by me on the clay track. I could tell he'd crashed because of all the mess on his front fender and his left handlebar and his helmet. But he was riding fine. Next thing I know, he comes almost all the way around again and putts over this big table top jump right before the finish line. He then rode five feet off the track and just dropped his bike and walked away. Well, I thought, "Maybe that is not Tim (he was a good hundred plus meters away) at this point. He would never just drop his bike and walk away. Right? Well then he goes back to his bike after a fashion and picks it up and starts it and rides twenty or so feet (off the track) and stops again. He just sits there on his bike. So now I'm thinking, "OK, I'm going over there." So I get on my bike and by that time the track owner and a mate of ours were talking to him. He walked back to the truck and the track owner rode his bike up to me and told me what was going on.

Tim gets back to the truck and doesn't remember where he crashed, what happened, starts asking me if he was in the Army and thinking he's back in Afghanistan. Then he wanted to know where his weapon was. Then he kept asking me over and over if we found him wandering on the track. It was all kind of surreal, and I'm even further convinced that concussions are not something to fool around with.
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Crush 10/26/2014 7:17pm
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Urrrghh... That doesn't sound good! His service is done now right? Probably good thing, sounds like he'll need to rest up for a while... Stay safe brother!
privateerconnection 10/27/2014 6:31am
10/27/2014 6:31am
Sorry to hear of anyone suffering from a concussion. I have had my share of them from years of racing and that is one of the reasons I have put so much focus on helping people get into a 6D helmet. When I was all the technology in this helmet there really isn't any comparison. I sell more 6D helmets at my shop than any other helmet. Yes you read that right I sell more $745 helmets tan I do $100 helmets. The main reason is we come from behind the parts counter to help educate our customers the differences in various helmets and what you get for your $$$$. We also offer a LAY AWAY program as well so anyone looking for a 6D give me a call at Privateer Connection 803-980-7200.

I would also like to thank everyone who has purchased a 6D helmet from us. With your help we actually won a giveaway that 6D was offering to their FLIGHT CREW dealers. We won Eli Tomac's MXoN custom 6D helmet as well as his Astar gear. We are very excited to receive these items and get them ready to put on display for all of our customers to see. THANKS AGAIN EVERYONE.

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MOTO STUFF 10/29/2014 12:23pm
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FYI- If you're lookin for any of the sold out 6d colorways (STEALTH in Matte Grey / Orange, MAZE in Gold etc), we still have a few and we've got a great package deal at the new 6d authorized price drop of $645-$675, and we're including your choice of any in stock 100% Goggle set, a spare replacement visor and free shipping, limited to stock on hand.
If it's on our site, it's in stock. MOTOSTUFF.COM / 503-830-6433

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