Damn guys....I am sorry for asking this PED's question!

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Not so much a PED's question.....but more along the lines of bringing up something I've read from a couple different posters. I don't agree or believe it.....but want your opinion on it.

We know RV passed his previous tests ( have no idea about the current tests )....but I'll bet he passed them as well. Someone on here said " If RV got busted.......Monster wouldn't let WADA make it public "........." They'll sweep it under the rug ".

So.........when and how do people think that Monster has any influence over WADA? They can't.....is what I think. They are brought in as a non-bias entity correct? They simply can't be bought off or bullied.

The guys who have been saying all along that RV was dirty........and could pass any test , but if found dirty , they would sweep it under the rug?

I saw DV , RC and a couple other former factory guys say...." He's just an extremely hard working son of a bitch! "

I totally disagree with what the accusers said.....and the few guys that mentioned this......please chime in here. I'm out of here for most of the day to go ride , so I'll check this one when I get back.

Again.....sorry for another stupid PED's type thread......I just thought it was an interesting topic and wanted to see what you guys thought.
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Tin Foil hat syndrome

There is always some conspiracy , WADA doesn't care about Monster.
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WADA only publishes results for sports where it has responsibility for results management (addressing failed tests) as well as testing. Apparently, the FIM retained responsibility for results management for its sports when it partnered with WADA.

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crashomatic 6/21/2014 8:01am
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I say that George Will makes some astute observations that could be applicable here...
“Today, for some reason … indignation is the default position of certain people in civic discourse,” he said. “They go from a standing start to fury in about 30 seconds.”

The internet has “erased the barriers of entry to public discourse,” Will said, which is good because more people can be involved in conversations, but it’s bad because a lot of those people aren’t that bright.

“Among the barriers of entry that have been reduced, is you don’t have to be able to read, write, or think,” he said. “You can just come in and shout and call names and carry on.”



http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/21/george-will-isnt-apologizing…
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I said somewhere else. It'd be a fuckin cess pit of what it has times a thousand if it was RV that got caught.

I don't buy conspiracies either. Wada is bigger than Monster.

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FreshTopEnd wrote:
WADA only publishes results for sports where it has responsibility for results management (addressing failed tests) as well as testing. Apparently, the FIM retained responsibility for...
WADA only publishes results for sports where it has responsibility for results management (addressing failed tests) as well as testing. Apparently, the FIM retained responsibility for results management for its sports when it partnered with WADA.

All the PR's coming from FIM, and not directly from WADA, is consistent with this.
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I too felt the forum was lacking threads on this topic. Thanks for filling that gap...
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I said somewhere else. It'd be a fuckin cess pit of what it has times a thousand if it was RV that got caught. I don't...
I said somewhere else. It'd be a fuckin cess pit of what it has times a thousand if it was RV that got caught.

I don't buy conspiracies either. Wada is bigger than Monster.
Dont tell.the fanboys of#7, they cant handle the golden boy getting caught and has nt won a title since 09.
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regarding to a scenario such as described.. " If RV got busted.......Monster wouldn't let WADA make it public "........." They'll sweep it under the rug ".
years after the fact,it would come to surface.
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You guys are missing what FTE said, WADA does the tests and reports to FIM, not the public. It's up ti the FIM (a.k.a. Monster Energy FIM) to report what the results are...
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There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
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Big Lenny 6/21/2014 8:24am
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Thank you Judge WADA...
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
Kinda like the police thing he got over on, keep defending him.
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Big Lenny wrote:
Thank you Judge WADA...
Care to bet on it? Hahaha
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet as far as I know.
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slipdog wrote:
You guys are missing what FTE said, WADA does the tests and reports to FIM, not the public. It's up ti the FIM (a.k.a. Monster Energy...
You guys are missing what FTE said, WADA does the tests and reports to FIM, not the public. It's up ti the FIM (a.k.a. Monster Energy FIM) to report what the results are...
FIM and Monster aren't the same or one group...

And I would also say that if Wada issues a release to FIM or anyone for that matter, and it doesn't get published, quick smart, 99.9% verbatim, they'd very publicly denounce and pull their support of said sanctioning body...
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dirthead1 6/21/2014 8:33am
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Big Lenny wrote:
There's a thing they call a "Slap on the wrist"....
dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Cygnus wrote:
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet...
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet as far as I know.
Like I said before, willing to bet on it?
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dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Cygnus wrote:
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet...
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet as far as I know.
dirthead1 wrote:
Like I said before, willing to bet on it?
Cyg's money is longer than train smoke, be careful what you wish for...

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str8shooter 6/21/2014 8:46am
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WADA didnt give USPS and Lance a break........why would they for RV and Monster?

Like I said before.....to make James look better in all this mess, people that "claim" they KNOW..... and have all the accurate inside info are going to try to shit on everyone else now. = Lame
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dirthead1 wrote:
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system. Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and...
That's fine, but he still got caught with a banned substance in his system.

Mark it, he will get suspended from at least some races and some points as a result of this.
Cygnus wrote:
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet...
Don't be so sure of this. It says that it can be anywhere from a reprimand to two year sanction. This decision hasn't been made yet as far as I know.
dirthead1 wrote:
Like I said before, willing to bet on it?
I don't bet anymore.
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str8shooter wrote:
WADA didnt give USPS and Lance a break........why would they for RV and Monster? Like I said before.....to make James look better in all this mess...
WADA didnt give USPS and Lance a break........why would they for RV and Monster?

Like I said before.....to make James look better in all this mess, people that "claim" they KNOW..... and have all the accurate inside info are going to try to shit on everyone else now. = Lame
Pilotdude is possibly the biggest RV fan on here, and he is the one who leaked the info on a Monster rider getting caught. He also was the first one to know RV was not racing outdoors, way before anyone else.
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str8shooter wrote:
WADA didnt give USPS and Lance a break........why would they for RV and Monster? Like I said before.....to make James look better in all this mess...
WADA didnt give USPS and Lance a break........why would they for RV and Monster?

Like I said before.....to make James look better in all this mess, people that "claim" they KNOW..... and have all the accurate inside info are going to try to shit on everyone else now. = Lame
They didn't? You might want to check on that.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/more/10/11/wada-lance-armstrong-d…
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FreshTopEnd 6/21/2014 10:33am
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Crush wrote:
FIM and Monster aren't the same or one group... And I would also say that if Wada issues a release to FIM or anyone for that...
FIM and Monster aren't the same or one group...

And I would also say that if Wada issues a release to FIM or anyone for that matter, and it doesn't get published, quick smart, 99.9% verbatim, they'd very publicly denounce and pull their support of said sanctioning body...
Did you read the code on that? Because it acknowledges that the governing bodies have a lot of latitude when they conduct results management, and that there isn't much WADA can do about it.

I don't disagree that in an egregious situation WADA probably would honk the horn, but it doesn't seem like a relatively benign transgression like this and the discretion the code allows to fashion a proportional penalty would provoke that here. As to what some mythical Monster sponsored rider abused and had overlooked, we're totally in the clouds of fantasy and speculation where people are backfilling whatever facts suit their arguments.
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FreshTopEnd 6/21/2014 10:36am
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There's also a due process element of the code that requires that the athlete have a right to be heard before the A sample failure can be announced. Not sure how that played out here.

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