Stewart's forthcoming Thunder Valley test results

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Edited Date/Time 6/21/2014 6:00pm
Stewart's test results from Thunder Valley will be due in a few weeks.

That result will either be a pass or a fail.

If the Thunder Valley result is a pass does that not undermine Stewart's defence that the presence of amphetamine in his Seattle fail was down to prescription drugs necessary to treat a long-term medical condition, and, in order to be allowed under the rules of the sport in which he competes, drugs which:

(1) The athlete’s health will be significantly impaired if he does not take the substance.
(2) The substance does not enhance the athlete’s performance beyond what brings him back to normal health.
(3) There are no other alternative treatments available.

( http://motocrossactionmag.com/home-page/official-word-on-wada-drug-test… )

If it is a long term condition, and one which he needs to take drugs to legitimately treat, then surely this prescription is long standing and ongoing. Will people believe that he needed to take them prior to Seattle but then didn't need to take the medication after Seattle and before Thunder Valley?

If the Thunder Valley test is a fail then that's two fails - one in each series. Irrespective of the fact that AMA Pro Racing/MX Sports are not FIM-affiliated can they be expected to not impose penalties on Stewart when he has not only failed a test in an FIM series, but has also failed a test in their own outdoor series, using their own drugs test partner and protocol, and a series in which they have declared a high profile (and expensive) commitment to drug-free racing?

If the second test is a fail can we be expected to believe that even after being drug tested at Seattle, Stewart forgot, or wasn't aware that he needed to provide a Therapeutic Use Exemption? Are people expected to believe that it never once crossed Stewart's, or any of his team members' minds that "Shit, we just got drug tested, and we're taking a legitimate drug to treat a long-term medical condition. Maybe we should look into this to see if we need to declare it?"

And finally, drug testing has been in place for a while in SX. Does anyone know if Stewart has ever been tested before? If he has (and it must have been a pass if he was) then does that also not undermine his argument that the drug found in Seattle was one which has been taken to treat a long-term medical condition?
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6/20/2014 11:48pm
Test results aren't all telling. If he has a TUE they're not going to say "well he tested positive for amphetamines but he has a TUE", we're just never going to know about it.
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6/21/2014 12:33am
If he's taking the drug innocently thinking there's no problem with it, then it should show up from the Thunder Valley test as well (showing no cheating intent since it's a prescribed long term condition); If he knows what he's doing and thought he could get away with it (and just happened to get busted @ Seattle) then it follows that the Thunder Valley results be negative (showing 1st degree cheating).

So even though is sounds odd, as a JS7 fan I have my fingers crossed for a positive Thunder Valley resultWink Smile
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6/21/2014 12:36am
Wouldn't you think that as soon as WADA found out that Stewart was hot they would get another urine/blood sample before they told him? Then that test should show the legal amount of adderal in his blood stream that his prescription called for or
he failed again. When they blood test you they can tell if you have enough medicine ( legal dosage ) in your system at the time.

If you don't have enough then you're not taking the prescribed amount and they assume you are selling your meds. If you have too much they assume you are abusing the script. Either way they can tell if you don't have the correct amount in your system and if its -/+ its a fail. I figure if the tire plant I retired from did this then anyone could do it. Bottom line is if he had a rx
for adderal it better match the dosage set by the Dr.
6/21/2014 12:44am
Those test results are in already. I would bet the farm that those come in dirty as well. Kind of a double edge sword, as mentioned. I just hope they come clean with the other riders results as well...

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6/21/2014 12:48am
mrquick wrote:
Wouldn't you think that as soon as WADA found out that Stewart was hot they would get another urine/blood sample before they told him? Then that...
Wouldn't you think that as soon as WADA found out that Stewart was hot they would get another urine/blood sample before they told him? Then that test should show the legal amount of adderal in his blood stream that his prescription called for or
he failed again. When they blood test you they can tell if you have enough medicine ( legal dosage ) in your system at the time.

If you don't have enough then you're not taking the prescribed amount and they assume you are selling your meds. If you have too much they assume you are abusing the script. Either way they can tell if you don't have the correct amount in your system and if its -/+ its a fail. I figure if the tire plant I retired from did this then anyone could do it. Bottom line is if he had a rx
for adderal it better match the dosage set by the Dr.
His test will come back neg, cause he was low on cash at Glen Helen & sold me the rest of his pills. He needed gas money to get home on.
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6/21/2014 12:53am
I hope you didn't lowball him on his pills. Gas is expensive.
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mrquick wrote:
Wouldn't you think that as soon as WADA found out that Stewart was hot they would get another urine/blood sample before they told him? Then that...
Wouldn't you think that as soon as WADA found out that Stewart was hot they would get another urine/blood sample before they told him? Then that test should show the legal amount of adderal in his blood stream that his prescription called for or
he failed again. When they blood test you they can tell if you have enough medicine ( legal dosage ) in your system at the time.

If you don't have enough then you're not taking the prescribed amount and they assume you are selling your meds. If you have too much they assume you are abusing the script. Either way they can tell if you don't have the correct amount in your system and if its -/+ its a fail. I figure if the tire plant I retired from did this then anyone could do it. Bottom line is if he had a rx
for adderal it better match the dosage set by the Dr.
Juss wrote:
His test will come back neg, cause he was low on cash at Glen Helen & sold me the rest of his pills. He needed gas...
His test will come back neg, cause he was low on cash at Glen Helen & sold me the rest of his pills. He needed gas money to get home on.
Sorry....maybe its me that's over medicated....second paragraph is how our plant handled things. I'll shup now.
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6/21/2014 6:40am
Incomplete argumentative hypotheticals suck.
6/21/2014 6:51am Edited Date/Time 6/21/2014 7:14am
Sad times...
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Sad times...
100% disagree.

What is the diff between ball players taking PEDs and MX/SX riders doing it? In both cases, it changes the game entirely. If your competitor is cheating, you too likely will need to cheat to be able to compete. It becomes a competition for who is the best cheater.

So what you say....I wanna see it! The problem with taking PEDs is, they aren't a healthy alternative. I'm talking real PEDs...not adderall. If you were a pro athlete, would you want to hafta take PEDs or would you rather be able to compete clean? Do you wanna hafta take HGH and steriods to recover quicker?

There will always be those who want to cheat and they should suffer the consequences like in any other sport.


6/21/2014 7:32am
I seriously doubt he would take a banned substance right there on live TV. Ridiculous.
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dmac1 wrote:
100% disagree. What is the diff between ball players taking PEDs and MX/SX riders doing it? In both cases, it changes the game entirely. If your...
100% disagree.

What is the diff between ball players taking PEDs and MX/SX riders doing it? In both cases, it changes the game entirely. If your competitor is cheating, you too likely will need to cheat to be able to compete. It becomes a competition for who is the best cheater.

So what you say....I wanna see it! The problem with taking PEDs is, they aren't a healthy alternative. I'm talking real PEDs...not adderall. If you were a pro athlete, would you want to hafta take PEDs or would you rather be able to compete clean? Do you wanna hafta take HGH and steriods to recover quicker?

There will always be those who want to cheat and they should suffer the consequences like in any other sport.


If you ain't cheatin' , you ain't tryin'. Junior Johnson
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I don't know much about this ADHD & Aderrall stuff (assuming that's what this is about) - but is it possible that with a prescription, it's something you wouldn't necessarily take every day? Like, some days you're Ok & don't need it, but other days it's worse and you need to? Or, some days you just try to get by without it since you might also have an aversion to drugs in general?

Just wondering.
6/21/2014 9:07am
I tested positive for amphetamine and it was from my allergy medication. More and more allergy meds are using amphetamine to keep the drowsiness away
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I tested positive for amphetamine and it was from my allergy medication. More and more allergy meds are using amphetamine to keep the drowsiness away
That's what kind of got me wondering. The only thing I take is allergy medication - and I don't take it unless I have to, which is less & less every year.

I suspect allergies is nothing like treating ADHD - but just don't know anything about it. Nothing we ever had to deal with with our kids (thank God and/or the flying spaghetti monster), and I can't think of any friends who have either. Some conditions are variable (like taking warfarin and adjusting dosage based on regular blood testing), or migraines - some are constant.
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That makes great sense he would take his medicine right on the start line. It would start to work about 15 minutes after the race was over. Just the perfect time to peak.

I've taken it for years, legally. It works, but not the instant it lands in your mouth..figure 20 minutes. Maybe slightly less if you add coffee to the mix. It always shows up in my employee drug tests, but is never an issue because I've told them you legally have it and show a prescription for it.

The drug tests I've taken always have a section that asks about current prescription medicine. He cannot plead ignorance on this one.
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6/21/2014 10:20am
"The result will be either a pass or a fail".

That's some deep shit, bro.
6/21/2014 10:32am
I seriously doubt he would take a banned substance right there on live TV. Ridiculous.
I've taken Ibuprofen right before serious activities. I'm getting older and it helps with knee, elbow, and shoulder pain. I'm not pro or anti JS7. I too just can't see him taking a known banned substance right before a race. It could have just been ibuprofen or some kind of anti-inflammatory. unless Iburpofen is banned tooWoohoo
6/21/2014 10:37am
rcannon wrote:
That makes great sense he would take his medicine right on the start line. It would start to work about 15 minutes after the race was...
That makes great sense he would take his medicine right on the start line. It would start to work about 15 minutes after the race was over. Just the perfect time to peak.

I've taken it for years, legally. It works, but not the instant it lands in your mouth..figure 20 minutes. Maybe slightly less if you add coffee to the mix. It always shows up in my employee drug tests, but is never an issue because I've told them you legally have it and show a prescription for it.

The drug tests I've taken always have a section that asks about current prescription medicine. He cannot plead ignorance on this one.
Your last sentence has been my experience too. I've had to take drug tests for work for many years and on the paperwork I always have to list any prescription medications I'm taking (and any OTC products too - like Prilosec for acid reflux). He cannot plead ignorance. This was either addressed ahead of time the proper way, or it wasn't (a MAJOR fuck up of epic proportion if so). If it was properly addressed in advance, I suspect this will blow over and JS will be back to racing. If not, no bueno for anyone (riders, fans, or the sport). Like JS or not, the sport is better with him competing that not competing.
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if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin HYPED but in a very focused sort of way.


Im a big JS7 fan but imo it should be on the banned substance list, regardless of whether you have a prescription for it. ADD is a bs condition with no biological basis. he'd be fine without it. can adderal help people with a supposed "attention deficit"? sure can (also has negative long term use effects). could it also give an advantage to an mx/sx athlete? you bet your ass.
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6/21/2014 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2014 12:09pm
elementmx wrote:
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin...
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin HYPED but in a very focused sort of way.


Im a big JS7 fan but imo it should be on the banned substance list, regardless of whether you have a prescription for it. ADD is a bs condition with no biological basis. he'd be fine without it. can adderal help people with a supposed "attention deficit"? sure can (also has negative long term use effects). could it also give an advantage to an mx/sx athlete? you bet your ass.
Dr element has proclaimed its a bs condition, therefore it must be so. Glad I read it here first.

But do you realize you contradicted yourself all in one post? You state it doesn't exist but then that adderall can help with it. Which is it?

And why are you taking adderall if add doesn't exist?

6/21/2014 1:01pm
elementmx wrote:
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin...
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin HYPED but in a very focused sort of way.


Im a big JS7 fan but imo it should be on the banned substance list, regardless of whether you have a prescription for it. ADD is a bs condition with no biological basis. he'd be fine without it. can adderal help people with a supposed "attention deficit"? sure can (also has negative long term use effects). could it also give an advantage to an mx/sx athlete? you bet your ass.
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Dr element has proclaimed its a bs condition, therefore it must be so. Glad I read it here first. But do you realize you contradicted yourself...
Dr element has proclaimed its a bs condition, therefore it must be so. Glad I read it here first.

But do you realize you contradicted yourself all in one post? You state it doesn't exist but then that adderall can help with it. Which is it?

And why are you taking adderall if add doesn't exist?

I think what he's trying to say is that "the condition" is OVERRATED ! Kids have been hyper active, a LONG time before they labeled ADD/ HDHD and whatever else they came up with. I do think that there are MANY kids that benefit from from the different drugs, but it's way over prescribed, as far as I'm concerned. My daughter is on college and she had her Dr prescribe it for her to concentrate when she studies. I wasn't and am still not happy about her taking it when she studies, but the fact of the matter is that she's 22 years old and will make her own decisions. She said that a large percentage of the students take it to cram for tests and can stay up all night studying. Weird thing is that they retain the info and test well after hardly sleeping at all. My daughter had issues of retaining her school work in high school, which isn't the case anymore. Is it the adderall ? I don't think so, but she claims it is. I think maturity and less distractions are more the issue, but she wants every edge she can get, kinda like the athletes that take it.
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6/21/2014 1:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/21/2014 1:41pm
Skipping the quote, but referring to laughammx's post.

I think you're right about it being overprescribed. Alot of the psych drugs are IMHO.

As to adderall's help in school. Yes, definitely. When I was in HS and college it was simply called speed. It was much more effective than a bunch of coffee which gave ya the jitters. As far as I know, there was no legal way to take amphetamines back in the day, but it was done. Just like weed was smoked and other drugs taken. I think the more nights you cram and are sleep deprived, amphetamines or not, your retention declines. One night is probably no big deal.

I'm not alone in being able to identify when I am more distractible vs when more focused. Sitting in a cubicle farm with low walls such that our upper torsos and heads stick up like ground squirrels exacerbates any lack of focus. Some are better able to cope than others. I believe had I been a young man right now they'd prolly say I have adhd...or hyperactive back in the day...or as my grandma used to say...'you've got ants in your pants'!

I am sure the condition is real but the severity varies. A close relative was affected by it and other disorders and was prescribed a cocktail of drugs. Nuf said about that, but the drugs only helped at first ala what element said re: long term affects.

Sure wish we had a race to watch instead of hammering on this topic in so many different threads. I'd go riding but am on the DL.
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elementmx wrote:
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin...
if you've never taken adderal, you don't know, but if you have taken adderal you're kdding yourself if that ain't a PED. adderal gets you friggin HYPED but in a very focused sort of way.


Im a big JS7 fan but imo it should be on the banned substance list, regardless of whether you have a prescription for it. ADD is a bs condition with no biological basis. he'd be fine without it. can adderal help people with a supposed "attention deficit"? sure can (also has negative long term use effects). could it also give an advantage to an mx/sx athlete? you bet your ass.
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Dr element has proclaimed its a bs condition, therefore it must be so. Glad I read it here first. But do you realize you contradicted yourself...
Dr element has proclaimed its a bs condition, therefore it must be so. Glad I read it here first.

But do you realize you contradicted yourself all in one post? You state it doesn't exist but then that adderall can help with it. Which is it?

And why are you taking adderall if add doesn't exist?

But why have so many NFL players suddenly contracted ADHD after failing PED tests?
adderall-nfls-popular-new-drug-or-easy-alibi?
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It would be interesting to know if James has been tested prior to Seattle and passed and if he tests positive from Lakewood.

Surely if this is a long term issue he would have been using the prescribed substance before Seattle?

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