So what now for RV?...

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2/23/2014 10:54pm
RV will make a costly mistake before the end of the year. He has been making mistakes all year and feels the pressure of the 4th title.

When that will happen, who knows, but it will happen.

Just depends on who is there to take advantage of the situation.
2/23/2014 11:28pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2014 11:29pm
Watching a post race interview...it seemed RV was VERY relieved and happy even though he finished 2nd. It is pretty clear who he considered the real threat..
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2/23/2014 11:31pm
Now I really wouldn't be surprised to see Bubba fk around and win the rest of the races. Dudes probably on fire.
2/23/2014 11:34pm
dantheman wrote:
While I agree with you both, I think that MEC crash, which was BRUTAL, changed him. Had that gone just a lil' different who knows, it...
While I agree with you both, I think that MEC crash, which was BRUTAL, changed him. Had that gone just a lil' different who knows, it could've been a whole lot worse.
???

A crash he walked away from is going to change him... Did you forget about the crash where he shattered his leg? How did THAT change him?

RV has not changed at all. He is riding as hard as he ever has. Other riders, and more importantly, other teams have closed the gap. With so many riders at the highest skill level...we are seeing that bike set up is more important than it ever has been. It is getting more like other motor sports in this respect.

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2/23/2014 11:58pm
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I`m with Jeffro. When did you become a mod? Did we miss something?
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2/24/2014 12:02am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2014 12:03am
dantheman wrote:
While I agree with you both, I think that MEC crash, which was BRUTAL, changed him. Had that gone just a lil' different who knows, it...
While I agree with you both, I think that MEC crash, which was BRUTAL, changed him. Had that gone just a lil' different who knows, it could've been a whole lot worse.
??? A crash he walked away from is going to change him... Did you forget about the crash where he shattered his leg? How did THAT...
???

A crash he walked away from is going to change him... Did you forget about the crash where he shattered his leg? How did THAT change him?

RV has not changed at all. He is riding as hard as he ever has. Other riders, and more importantly, other teams have closed the gap. With so many riders at the highest skill level...we are seeing that bike set up is more important than it ever has been. It is getting more like other motor sports in this respect.
I don't see it that way. I see a more timid , more reserved RV this year. Go watch one of his SX races from the past few years ( just pick any race )......and you can see that he aint riding any where near the ballistic speed he was at.

At first I was just blowing it off thinking he was playing a smart mans game ( I kind of still do )......but it also looks like he's struggling this year. He's been " At one " with that bike of his for a few years.....this year he just looks " Off ". Don't know what the hell .
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jeffro503 wrote:
I don't see it that way. I see a more timid , more reserved RV this year. Go watch one of his SX races from the...
I don't see it that way. I see a more timid , more reserved RV this year. Go watch one of his SX races from the past few years ( just pick any race )......and you can see that he aint riding any where near the ballistic speed he was at.

At first I was just blowing it off thinking he was playing a smart mans game ( I kind of still do )......but it also looks like he's struggling this year. He's been " At one " with that bike of his for a few years.....this year he just looks " Off ". Don't know what the hell .
I disagree to an extent, has it crossed your mind that he's pushing to keep with the new boy Kenny and the rejuvenated Stewart?

RV is making a lot more more slips and dabs this year,watching him closely he seems to push and at the end of the day he's usually pretty much a class above everyone except Kenny and Stewart

The past is the past,Roczen wasn't in the mix last year on the 450
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2/24/2014 4:00am
jeffro503 wrote:
I don't see it that way. I see a more timid , more reserved RV this year. Go watch one of his SX races from the...
I don't see it that way. I see a more timid , more reserved RV this year. Go watch one of his SX races from the past few years ( just pick any race )......and you can see that he aint riding any where near the ballistic speed he was at.

At first I was just blowing it off thinking he was playing a smart mans game ( I kind of still do )......but it also looks like he's struggling this year. He's been " At one " with that bike of his for a few years.....this year he just looks " Off ". Don't know what the hell .
PressPassP wrote:
I disagree to an extent, has it crossed your mind that he's pushing to keep with the new boy Kenny and the rejuvenated Stewart? RV is...
I disagree to an extent, has it crossed your mind that he's pushing to keep with the new boy Kenny and the rejuvenated Stewart?

RV is making a lot more more slips and dabs this year,watching him closely he seems to push and at the end of the day he's usually pretty much a class above everyone except Kenny and Stewart

The past is the past,Roczen wasn't in the mix last year on the 450
I think Jeff is right. If you watch races from the last couple of years, you will clearly see a far more aggressive RV. This theory that somehow "the rest of the field" has caught up to him is somewhat bizarre.

This is ESPECIALLY true when you look at the first lap. In the past 3-4 years, RV would go from 5th-10th right to the front in a few turns. This year he has gone from 1st or 2nd back to 5th-6th in those same few turns. That DOES NOT happen because everyone else has gotten "faster." It happens because he is not being the aggressive attacker he has been, period.

To subscribe the the "everyone has gotten" faster theory, one would also have to say that not only have they gotten faster, but they have gotten so much faster since August (the end of last season) that the defending, uninjured (?), in-his-prime champion is now a net 8 to 10 positions slower IN THE FIRST LAP. Seriously?

Come on, get real. There is clearly something going on with him. Whether that something is injury, bike setup, burnout, seeing his approaching retirement and not wanting to wad it up, I don't know. Probably only he and a few others actually do.

But it is definitely something. I just hope he finishes strong and on top, instead of backing it down too much (for whatever reason.) In the end, however, it is his career, body, and life.
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2/24/2014 4:23am
pilotdude wrote:
I think Jeff is right. If you watch races from the last couple of years, you will [b]clearly[/b] see a far more aggressive RV. This theory...
I think Jeff is right. If you watch races from the last couple of years, you will clearly see a far more aggressive RV. This theory that somehow "the rest of the field" has caught up to him is somewhat bizarre.

This is ESPECIALLY true when you look at the first lap. In the past 3-4 years, RV would go from 5th-10th right to the front in a few turns. This year he has gone from 1st or 2nd back to 5th-6th in those same few turns. That DOES NOT happen because everyone else has gotten "faster." It happens because he is not being the aggressive attacker he has been, period.

To subscribe the the "everyone has gotten" faster theory, one would also have to say that not only have they gotten faster, but they have gotten so much faster since August (the end of last season) that the defending, uninjured (?), in-his-prime champion is now a net 8 to 10 positions slower IN THE FIRST LAP. Seriously?

Come on, get real. There is clearly something going on with him. Whether that something is injury, bike setup, burnout, seeing his approaching retirement and not wanting to wad it up, I don't know. Probably only he and a few others actually do.

But it is definitely something. I just hope he finishes strong and on top, instead of backing it down too much (for whatever reason.) In the end, however, it is his career, body, and life.
Let`s hope he doesn`t find that "something".Tongue Racing`s better this way.Evil
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2/24/2014 4:26am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2014 4:27am
pilotdude wrote:
I think Jeff is right. If you watch races from the last couple of years, you will [b]clearly[/b] see a far more aggressive RV. This theory...
I think Jeff is right. If you watch races from the last couple of years, you will clearly see a far more aggressive RV. This theory that somehow "the rest of the field" has caught up to him is somewhat bizarre.

This is ESPECIALLY true when you look at the first lap. In the past 3-4 years, RV would go from 5th-10th right to the front in a few turns. This year he has gone from 1st or 2nd back to 5th-6th in those same few turns. That DOES NOT happen because everyone else has gotten "faster." It happens because he is not being the aggressive attacker he has been, period.

To subscribe the the "everyone has gotten" faster theory, one would also have to say that not only have they gotten faster, but they have gotten so much faster since August (the end of last season) that the defending, uninjured (?), in-his-prime champion is now a net 8 to 10 positions slower IN THE FIRST LAP. Seriously?

Come on, get real. There is clearly something going on with him. Whether that something is injury, bike setup, burnout, seeing his approaching retirement and not wanting to wad it up, I don't know. Probably only he and a few others actually do.

But it is definitely something. I just hope he finishes strong and on top, instead of backing it down too much (for whatever reason.) In the end, however, it is his career, body, and life.
kongols wrote:
Let`s hope he doesn`t find that "something".Tongue Racing`s better this way.Evil
It may not even be that he "lost" it, so much as he has just decided not to "take" it. I don't know. YOU are the one who always seems to be able to get great inside info.
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2/24/2014 6:20am
On the SX live stream KW said the other top riders have caught up to his speed.

He's making too many mistakes to not be pushing.
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2/24/2014 6:35am
RV just doesn't look comfortable to me this year. I watched him through the practices and he was making a lot mistakes and just looked horrible through the whoops, and his times reflected it. He did get it cleaned up by the night show, but even there we saw him make some small mistakes. There's a lot of racing left, and if he stays uncomfortable like this, he's bound to make a mistake that puts him on the ground. Losing 24 points on a DNF could make a big difference, IF it happens. Neither Kenny nor RV have had that bad race that the other guys have had yet.
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It may not even be that he "lost" it, so much as he has just decided not to "take" it. I don't know. YOU are the...
It may not even be that he "lost" it, so much as he has just decided not to "take" it. I don't know. YOU are the one who always seems to be able to get great inside info.
RV is still pissed at me for those red light comments so he`s not returning my calls.Evil Whistling Cool
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We will know who is peaking at the right time after Daytona
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I think he's the same RV as before, it's just the bikes and setups that have closed the gap...
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2/24/2014 10:19am
Big Lenny wrote:
I think he's the same RV as before, it's just the bikes and setups that have closed the gap...
Pretty much everyone watching who has commented on it says otherwise. See post above.
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2/24/2014 10:40am
Big Lenny wrote:
I think he's the same RV as before, it's just the bikes and setups that have closed the gap...
pilotdude wrote:
Pretty much everyone watching who has commented on it says otherwise. See post above.
According to James interview he says, doesn't matter how much talent you have, if your setups wrong you're not gonna win...
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2/24/2014 10:42am
I don't post much but IMO it was Kawi loosing Kaipo there suspension guy to RCH. Look how much better Tickles bike has been working this year? Villo needs confidence in his suspension especially the way he steers with the rear,and last year when they tested at his house and came up with new setting he was on fire! Just doesn't look comfortable with It except for Oakland.
Like is said JMO!
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2/24/2014 10:46am
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I don't post much but IMO it was Kawi loosing Kaipo there suspension guy to RCH. Look how much better Tickles bike has been working this...
I don't post much but IMO it was Kawi loosing Kaipo there suspension guy to RCH. Look how much better Tickles bike has been working this year? Villo needs confidence in his suspension especially the way he steers with the rear,and last year when they tested at his house and came up with new setting he was on fire! Just doesn't look comfortable with It except for Oakland.
Like is said JMO!
That is interesting. I hadn't heard that until now. Hmm?
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2/24/2014 11:02am
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I don't post much but IMO it was Kawi loosing Kaipo there suspension guy to RCH. Look how much better Tickles bike has been working this...
I don't post much but IMO it was Kawi loosing Kaipo there suspension guy to RCH. Look how much better Tickles bike has been working this year? Villo needs confidence in his suspension especially the way he steers with the rear,and last year when they tested at his house and came up with new setting he was on fire! Just doesn't look comfortable with It except for Oakland.
Like is said JMO!
Don't even think he looked all that comfortable at Oakland! RV got out front by him self and should of pulled away. JS ran him down from like a 20th place start. Few more laps and he may have caught him. He didn't jump the quad at that race either. He does not look comfortable on that bike! Look how he threw the win away in Atlanta. Only race this year he seemed like RV was him self, was phoenix. He came from like 13th passed JS7 and the rest of the field for the win. A3 he let CR&KR pass him and pull away. I guess if he can keep getting the finishes he has had, he should make a good run at the title, but he does not look him self.
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2/24/2014 11:07am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2014 11:26am
Yeah that is interesting to know about Kaipo. I wonder if anything else has changed in regards to support personnel. One thing I like about the kid though, he doesn't blame his bad showings on bad setup or being sick even though it may be the truth.
2/24/2014 11:36am
rv is sandbagging for outdoors , stewart throwing it away was inevitable , kenny still finding his feet and he knows he has dunge covered every year so hes riding smart and so far that red plate has been on the kawi more than not
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2/24/2014 11:51am Edited Date/Time 2/24/2014 11:54am
So he is sandbagging and cant set the bike up properly. That's what I have learned in this thread.
If he is sandbagging he wouldn't have so many crashes and mistakes.

As KW said, some of the other teams have closed the gap, it happened to RC and Stewart.

He is leading the Championship and is most likely the best rider in the world, he doesn't need anyone making excuses for him.

That dude wants to WIN, that's what makes him such a bad dude.

On some SX tracks and outdoors I think we will see him back to dominating.
2/24/2014 11:52am
Despite what we see as RV's 'struggles', he's leading this thing with a good points gap, and he's actually making it look pretty easy. I mean, RV's problems ain't got shit on Dungey's. And with Stewart losing all those points, one of his two biggest problems just got a lot smaller.

I thought it was pretty laughable that K-dub (and whoever else) didn't pick him to podium, as if Dallas was typical of his race performance. But who cares what I think =[
2/24/2014 12:08pm
all the bike setup issues and mistakes he's making is because hes not the best at sandbagging hes used to a riding style and bike setup for wide open ~!!
2/24/2014 12:11pm
I dont see anyone with a chance to challenge him for the title
I did see stewart until his crash last weekend tho... too bad that it went this way, he looked amazing the last few races
Roczen is doing great for his rookie seasons, but he already had some 6th places, if he keeps having these ups and downs he wont be a threat for RV imo (hopefully I'm wrong lol)
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2/24/2014 12:13pm
mototed 82 wrote:
all the bike setup issues and mistakes he's making is because hes not the best at sandbagging hes used to a riding style and bike setup...
all the bike setup issues and mistakes he's making is because hes not the best at sandbagging hes used to a riding style and bike setup for wide open ~!!
Fanboys and their excuses are what make people not like riders, it happened with Stewart too.

It is discrediting Reed, Stewart, Roczen and any other rider that has rode well enough to finish ahead of him this year.
2/24/2014 12:18pm
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Fanboys and their excuses are what make people not like riders, it happened with Stewart too. It is discrediting Reed, Stewart, Roczen and any other rider...
Fanboys and their excuses are what make people not like riders, it happened with Stewart too.

It is discrediting Reed, Stewart, Roczen and any other rider that has rode well enough to finish ahead of him this year.
not at all!! roczen is the man , and rock solid . the other 2 have a habit of hitting the deck though Whistling
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2/24/2014 12:22pm
RV needs to start steering with his front wheel. According to the guys on TV he only steers with his rear wheel. That can't be easy.

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