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2/13/2014 10:11pm
Yes but can anyone prove it's man made
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Honestly ( and I've read a lot about it )......I think most of it is a natural state in which the planet goes through every few million years ( for the smaller ones ).....much longer for the big ones. I think man has actually helped speed the process up a little.

What people don't understand is , that our Ozone is in fact damaged.....almost to a point of no return. What this means is....weather patterns become extreme. When it's cold.....it gets really cold. When it's hot....it gets really frigin' hot!

Haven't we seen over the past 20 - 30 years a drastic change in the weather? We are setting new HIGH and LOW records all the time......every where! People think that when they read the saying " Global warming ".......it means " Oh look how warm it's getting "........do yourself a favor and read up on it. The planet goes through these changes and has for billions of years , but this one seems to be coming a little quicker than expected.....and you need to ask why. I'm NOT saying the next ice age is right around the corner....probably multi thousands of years away. But this really weird weather shit we are seeing......I think it's here to stay. Or at least be more common.

East coast being frozen over....more common.
southern states in the summer will roast.
The mid west will see extreme windy shit going on ( tornado's and so forth )
And the west coast will slowly dry up like friggin Arizona.

One other thing to look into is our sun. It seems to be going through some slight changes as well , and could very well be the reason for a lot of what's going on. Again....been going on for billions of years. Were just along for the ride , so hang on.
2/14/2014 12:24am
I personally don't really believe in man-made climate change, but even if it is true, there's very little we can do about it anyway - not with the rate China and Indian in particular are growing. Anything we do here really is a drop in the ocean. Preserving the rain forest and our oceans is a worthy cause, as is almost any environmental issue. I'm not saying screw the world, who cares? But we shouldn't wreck our economies on the backs of a theory.... and doubly so while the growing parts of the world continue to do as they please between playing lip service now and again at the odd international conference.
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I personally don't really believe in man-made climate change, but even if it is true, there's very little we can do about it anyway - not...
I personally don't really believe in man-made climate change, but even if it is true, there's very little we can do about it anyway - not with the rate China and Indian in particular are growing. Anything we do here really is a drop in the ocean. Preserving the rain forest and our oceans is a worthy cause, as is almost any environmental issue. I'm not saying screw the world, who cares? But we shouldn't wreck our economies on the backs of a theory.... and doubly so while the growing parts of the world continue to do as they please between playing lip service now and again at the odd international conference.
That`s pretty much where I stand.

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2/14/2014 12:51am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 12:52am
lostboy819 wrote:
Sad part is you think with all your whining and crying about everything that you make a difference. You talk way more about everything that's wrong...
Sad part is you think with all your whining and crying about everything that you make a difference. You talk way more about everything that's wrong but don't do anything to change it and whining on Vital doesn't count. "The riders need spine pads, the riders jump too much, the earth is dying" oh boo hoo

I respect your opinion.

For me the thing that is sad is you are deluded to the point of posting you know how I think. Nice Nazi attitude that you are bothered I have opinions on safety and track design. You earth is dying boo hoo thing is pretty whack if not scary.

Back on topic here is a link that doesn't come from tree huggers that talks about increased temps and diminished sea ice.
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I personally don't really believe in man-made climate change, but even if it is true, there's very little we can do about it anyway - not...
I personally don't really believe in man-made climate change, but even if it is true, there's very little we can do about it anyway - not with the rate China and Indian in particular are growing. Anything we do here really is a drop in the ocean. Preserving the rain forest and our oceans is a worthy cause, as is almost any environmental issue. I'm not saying screw the world, who cares? But we shouldn't wreck our economies on the backs of a theory.... and doubly so while the growing parts of the world continue to do as they please between playing lip service now and again at the odd international conference.
kongols wrote:
That`s pretty much where I stand.
I agree as well to a point. But there are so many different ways we could make a difference in pollution and so forth. It's just expensive to get it started. Sooner or later we ( the planet ) are going to have to change some things on the way we live and what were doing to this planet. Some people like to bury their head in the sand and pretend things don't exist. This.....is only one example of something extremely disturbing , and it's probably only 1 out of about 10,000 we do to this planet. But the huge pile of garbage in our ocean...TWICE the size of Texas!

I don't wanna come off like a tree hugging hippie......but that shit right there makes me sad. And all the other pollutants we see pouring into our oceans. Bottom line....with population growth and the way we " have too " live our lives....we are destroying this planet and there just isn't enough people to pull their head out of the sand , open their eyes and see for themselves.
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The only way humans can prevent from destroying the earth would to be live like monkeys...stop building and manufacturing things (ALL things)...literally live like animals. Anything short of that and we will continue to destroy the planet. And guarantee you that not one person is willing to start running around naked, living in grass huts, and scavenging for food...so we may as well get used to where we live.
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2/14/2014 7:12am
lostboy819 wrote:
Sad part is you think with all your whining and crying about everything that you make a difference. You talk way more about everything that's wrong...
Sad part is you think with all your whining and crying about everything that you make a difference. You talk way more about everything that's wrong but don't do anything to change it and whining on Vital doesn't count. "The riders need spine pads, the riders jump too much, the earth is dying" oh boo hoo

The Rock wrote:
I respect your opinion. For me the thing that is sad is you are deluded to the point of posting you know how I think. Nice...
I respect your opinion.

For me the thing that is sad is you are deluded to the point of posting you know how I think. Nice Nazi attitude that you are bothered I have opinions on safety and track design. You earth is dying boo hoo thing is pretty whack if not scary.

Back on topic here is a link that doesn't come from tree huggers that talks about increased temps and diminished sea ice.
Yeah, that link is not from "tree huggers"- it's from a lefty political site that uses misinformation from tree huggers.

The money graph in that link shows arctic ice extant from 1979 to now. Two seconds of Googling will show you a graph of ice extant since 1900 showing a decline to a much lower extant in 1922, a steady rise until (coincidentally?) 1979-1990 followed by the current decline.

Graphs are the easiest way to mislead folks since you can always show what you want to show if you pick the right starting and ending points.
2/14/2014 7:14am
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Kongols is the new Oldfart
I was just in another thread and ask if Kongols was OF's cousin?
Laughed my ass off when I read this from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jeffro503 wrote:
I agree as well to a point. But there are so many different ways we could make a difference in pollution and so forth. It's just...
I agree as well to a point. But there are so many different ways we could make a difference in pollution and so forth. It's just expensive to get it started. Sooner or later we ( the planet ) are going to have to change some things on the way we live and what were doing to this planet. Some people like to bury their head in the sand and pretend things don't exist. This.....is only one example of something extremely disturbing , and it's probably only 1 out of about 10,000 we do to this planet. But the huge pile of garbage in our ocean...TWICE the size of Texas!

I don't wanna come off like a tree hugging hippie......but that shit right there makes me sad. And all the other pollutants we see pouring into our oceans. Bottom line....with population growth and the way we " have too " live our lives....we are destroying this planet and there just isn't enough people to pull their head out of the sand , open their eyes and see for themselves.
There is a company from Japan that makes plants for municipalities that
turn their garbage into clean energy and run at a profit.
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lostboy819 wrote:
First time in decades that lake Superior will freeze over, this global warming is getting out of hand Laughing


http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2014/02/12/brutal-winter-may-see-lake-su…
The Rock wrote:
I don't want to assume so am checking to see if you are one of those people that have the knee jerk response "cold story" tid...
I don't want to assume so am checking to see if you are one of those people that have the knee jerk response "cold story" tid bit to every topic about global warming/climate change?

Personally I'm not a scientist but I know enough ti know the situation is way too complex to be be swept aside with a cold story or frozen lake story but maybe that works for you.
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have data and knowledge we dont´have and wouldn´t understand if we did have it. That´s why I believe it when the vast majority of scientists conclude that humans are in fact affecting the climate in a negative way through pollution.
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lostboy819 wrote:
First time in decades that lake Superior will freeze over, this global warming is getting out of hand Laughing


http://www.foxnews.com/weather/2014/02/12/brutal-winter-may-see-lake-su…
The Rock wrote:
I don't want to assume so am checking to see if you are one of those people that have the knee jerk response "cold story" tid...
I don't want to assume so am checking to see if you are one of those people that have the knee jerk response "cold story" tid bit to every topic about global warming/climate change?

Personally I'm not a scientist but I know enough ti know the situation is way too complex to be be swept aside with a cold story or frozen lake story but maybe that works for you.
Sunhouse wrote:
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have...
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have data and knowledge we dont´have and wouldn´t understand if we did have it. That´s why I believe it when the vast majority of scientists conclude that humans are in fact affecting the climate in a negative way through pollution.
No sane person doesn't believe that human activity has some effect on the environment. The entire conflict is over how much effect it is and how it should be dealt with.

Using incomplete/misleading information, like the graphs in that link from Thinkprogress above only muddy the water and lead people to draw the wrong conclusions because they are designed to elicit an emotional response.
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2/14/2014 9:02am Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 9:03am
The Suns melting me today...or maybe it's a UFO with a death ray.

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Sunhouse wrote:
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have...
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have data and knowledge we dont´have and wouldn´t understand if we did have it. That´s why I believe it when the vast majority of scientists conclude that humans are in fact affecting the climate in a negative way through pollution.
Of course The Establishment always tells you the truth. Keep the faith brother.



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Sunhouse wrote:
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have...
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have data and knowledge we dont´have and wouldn´t understand if we did have it. That´s why I believe it when the vast majority of scientists conclude that humans are in fact affecting the climate in a negative way through pollution.
Racer92 wrote:
Of course The Establishment always tells you the truth. Keep the faith brother. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Loganlifeclock.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2011/11/logans-run.jpg[/img]
Of course The Establishment always tells you the truth. Keep the faith brother.



So you think that Scientists don't know what the hell they are talking about? If you get a few kook's that's one thing........but when the mass majority of them agree on something like that........how or why would you even try to argue that?
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Racer92 wrote:
Of course The Establishment always tells you the truth. Keep the faith brother. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Loganlifeclock.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/images/2011/11/logans-run.jpg[/img]
Of course The Establishment always tells you the truth. Keep the faith brother.



If we were few hundred years back you`d be a guy with a torch when they burned Giordano Bruno at stake.Laughing Whistling Wink
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jeffro503 wrote:
So you think that Scientists don't know what the hell they are talking about? If you get a few kook's that's one thing........but when the mass...
So you think that Scientists don't know what the hell they are talking about? If you get a few kook's that's one thing........but when the mass majority of them agree on something like that........how or why would you even try to argue that?
Im not arguing anything, only putting my opinion out there. You can believe whatever you want.

"Scientists" are human beings and no better than me or you. "Scientists" used to believe the world was flat, celestial immutability, Phlogiston, Miasma theory, Geocentric Universe theory, blood-letting, and many more notions that were considered indisputable at the time but later proven inaccurate. Hell even Hawking recently conceded his Information Paradox was wrong and that hard-headed genius stood on that one for decades. So Im not gonna jump on whatever geo-concensus-de-jour that the lab-coats are selling just that easy.
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jeffro503 wrote:
So you think that Scientists don't know what the hell they are talking about? If you get a few kook's that's one thing........but when the mass...
So you think that Scientists don't know what the hell they are talking about? If you get a few kook's that's one thing........but when the mass majority of them agree on something like that........how or why would you even try to argue that?
Scientists only agree that humans have an impact on the environment. There is no consensus on the amount of impact, how much that impact influences climate, or how to mitigate it (or if mitigation is even possible).

Anybody who says otherwise is either lying or believes a lie someone else has told them.
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If I were the only human on earth, and I farted, I would be impacting the environment.
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First whether it is true or it isn't you have to act as if it is. A metaphor that applies to moto. Dress for the crash. Put on enough gear that makes you comfortable with the idea that you are going to eat shit the next time you ride.. Personally I would like the world to prepare for it as if it was happening. If it doesn't good! Maybe like Nasa we will come up with new technologies that can can be applied U.S. industries and make us better as a whole.

There are ton of mouth breathing GOP people on my facebook talking about that weather recently laughing at global warming. The truth of the matter is, the earth is like 2 degrees warmer than it used to be. So if you go outside right now, and there's 10ft of snow or a lake is frozen that never has before.. whatever claim made. The difference is it would be 2 degrees colder right now. 2 degrees. The effect is supposed to snowball.. by the time my son is a senior citizen it could be up to 44 degrees F hotter. Much of the u.s. will be uninhabitable. That idea scares me enough that I feel precautions should be taken and I HOPE the scientists are wrong.

Ultimately Al Gore trying to be the voice of global warming is what killed it. Although the blame should be on republicans, gore politicized an issue that shouldn't be a political issue. The gop of course can't be for anything al gore is so that ended that. Just like everything else when team politics get involved everyone loses.
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2/14/2014 8:43pm Edited Date/Time 2/14/2014 8:44pm
We have evidence for huge changes over long periods of time, but the current political implications of climate change clearly have it distorted. The only question is which side is offering the distortion? Regardless, I've said in other posts that there are much smaller problems that humans are incapable of dealing with, such as human suffering. To think that we could eradicate such a huge part of the global economy is wishful thinking. We're along for the ride and we'll find out who is correct.

Either way, a 1 year difference is profound.

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No global warming here...we've been getting slammed! has 10 inches in the ground and got 16 more yesterday, Calling for 3-6 again tonight and tomorrow...
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35smom wrote:
No global warming here...we've been getting slammed! has 10 inches in the ground and got 16 more yesterday, Calling for 3-6 again tonight and tomorrow...[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/02/14/45768/s1200_Winter_2014.jpg[/img]
No global warming here...we've been getting slammed! has 10 inches in the ground and got 16 more yesterday, Calling for 3-6 again tonight and tomorrow...
Lots of global warming here. Mid February. 40 degrees right now. We had just two weeks of subzero(celsius) temperatures this winter. Maybe 3-4 inches of snow for those two weeks. And we are a lot further up north than Asbury, USA.
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^^^ Was just joking Kongols. Its been a very strange year for weather here. Something is definitely going on.
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35smom wrote:
^^^ Was just joking Kongols. Its been a very strange year for weather here. Something is definitely going on.
Something has been "going on" with this rock we live on for 4.5 billion years. And its going to continue going on until our star fries everything in the solar system pre-Nova.
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jeffro503 wrote:
Honestly ( and I've read a lot about it )......I think most of it is a natural state in which the planet goes through every few...
Honestly ( and I've read a lot about it )......I think most of it is a natural state in which the planet goes through every few million years ( for the smaller ones ).....much longer for the big ones. I think man has actually helped speed the process up a little.

What people don't understand is , that our Ozone is in fact damaged.....almost to a point of no return. What this means is....weather patterns become extreme. When it's cold.....it gets really cold. When it's hot....it gets really frigin' hot!

Haven't we seen over the past 20 - 30 years a drastic change in the weather? We are setting new HIGH and LOW records all the time......every where! People think that when they read the saying " Global warming ".......it means " Oh look how warm it's getting "........do yourself a favor and read up on it. The planet goes through these changes and has for billions of years , but this one seems to be coming a little quicker than expected.....and you need to ask why. I'm NOT saying the next ice age is right around the corner....probably multi thousands of years away. But this really weird weather shit we are seeing......I think it's here to stay. Or at least be more common.

East coast being frozen over....more common.
southern states in the summer will roast.
The mid west will see extreme windy shit going on ( tornado's and so forth )
And the west coast will slowly dry up like friggin Arizona.

One other thing to look into is our sun. It seems to be going through some slight changes as well , and could very well be the reason for a lot of what's going on. Again....been going on for billions of years. Were just along for the ride , so hang on.
This. The weather here has been nuts, we've been exceptionally cold this winter, lots of subzero days, then it'll hit 50 for a weekend, and no more than 2 days later, -15. It was -16 early this week here, and they're calling for highs near 60 next week. I'm planning on going to Glacier National Park this summer, and the glaciers there are disappearing, fast. I'm certain we're contributing to the heating of the GLOBE (not just localized areas on any particular day), but to what extent is impossible to say. We're filling our atmosphere with things that trap heat, that is just a fact. Even if we aren't the main cause of the heatup... why not just live cleaner lives for the sake of living cleaner lives? Hearing about the massive pile of garbage in the ocean, and going to southern California and seeing the massive amount of smog that blankets the whole southern half of the state is a little saddening. Saying "Oh well, we can't make a difference anyway because of those guys over there" is BS in my book.
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2/15/2014 1:41pm Edited Date/Time 2/15/2014 1:51pm
Sunhouse wrote:
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have...
I agree. I couldn´t contribute shit to the discussion, but I do trust the scientists working on this. And they look past climate variations, they have data and knowledge we dont´have and wouldn´t understand if we did have it. That´s why I believe it when the vast majority of scientists conclude that humans are in fact affecting the climate in a negative way through pollution.
The same scientists seem more openly after retirement "Do not bite hand that feeds you" as criticism can't harm their careers any longer

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2/17/2014 10:31am Edited Date/Time 2/17/2014 10:35am
35smom wrote:
^^^ Was just joking Kongols. Its been a very strange year for weather here. Something is definitely going on.
Racer92 wrote:
Something has been "going on" with this rock we live on for 4.5 billion years. And its going to continue going on until our star fries...
Something has been "going on" with this rock we live on for 4.5 billion years. And its going to continue going on until our star fries everything in the solar system pre-Nova.
We have choices to either do nothing or take measures to minimize the impact of climate change. As long as it doesn't cripple the US economy or global economy (neither can handle much more negative impact) doesn't it make sense to make sure countries like China and India build their infrastructure as green as possible?

The sad reality is none of this makes any difference since IMO for every action to reduce emissions is counteracted by usage of dirtier fuel elsewhere. The almighty dollar always wins and the increase in petcoke usage (here in the US usage went up 40 percent from 2010 to 2013) is drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. This stuff is bad juju full of heavy metals human beings shouldn't be breathing as the good people of Chicago are learning.

The US exports this stuff to other countries too.

BTW for any fracking proponents what about the impact on air quality since we all now how bad it is for groundwater. From what I have read fracking is terrible for air quality and in the Dallas area they impact are trying to mitigate the inpact of fracking with set back requirements. Sure Wally....that's like having smoking and non smoking sections on air planes.

Excerpt from the link:

The Dallas task force must address other questions untouched by the Fort Worth study, such as the heavy industrial noise from urban gas production and the negative effect these operations have on neighboring property values.
And though the study deemed a 600-feet setback as adequate, the Dallas task force shouldn’t necessarily accept that as the final word. Other Barnett Shale cities are stricter. Flower Mound’s city council, for example, on Monday approved setbacks of 1,500 feet for residences, schools, parks and hospitals located near production sites. Previously those setbacks were as little as 500 feet, but the city’s negative experiences prompted tougher measures.
Dallas has the luxury of learning from other cities’ experiences. Diversity of energy sources is important, but decision makers must ensure that public health is protected and homeowners don’t pay the price with plunging property values while gas companies reap the profits
2/17/2014 4:10pm
We were lucky enough to have the Carbon Tax introduced here. Emissions are the same, but the cost of all utilities have gone up... Awesome.Whistling
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35smom wrote:
^^^ Was just joking Kongols. Its been a very strange year for weather here. Something is definitely going on.
Racer92 wrote:
Something has been "going on" with this rock we live on for 4.5 billion years. And its going to continue going on until our star fries...
Something has been "going on" with this rock we live on for 4.5 billion years. And its going to continue going on until our star fries everything in the solar system pre-Nova.
The Rock wrote:
We have choices to either do nothing or take measures to minimize the impact of climate change. As long as it doesn't cripple the US economy...
We have choices to either do nothing or take measures to minimize the impact of climate change. As long as it doesn't cripple the US economy or global economy (neither can handle much more negative impact) doesn't it make sense to make sure countries like China and India build their infrastructure as green as possible?

The sad reality is none of this makes any difference since IMO for every action to reduce emissions is counteracted by usage of dirtier fuel elsewhere. The almighty dollar always wins and the increase in petcoke usage (here in the US usage went up 40 percent from 2010 to 2013) is drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. This stuff is bad juju full of heavy metals human beings shouldn't be breathing as the good people of Chicago are learning.

The US exports this stuff to other countries too.

BTW for any fracking proponents what about the impact on air quality since we all now how bad it is for groundwater. From what I have read fracking is terrible for air quality and in the Dallas area they impact are trying to mitigate the inpact of fracking with set back requirements. Sure Wally....that's like having smoking and non smoking sections on air planes.

Excerpt from the link:

The Dallas task force must address other questions untouched by the Fort Worth study, such as the heavy industrial noise from urban gas production and the negative effect these operations have on neighboring property values.
And though the study deemed a 600-feet setback as adequate, the Dallas task force shouldn’t necessarily accept that as the final word. Other Barnett Shale cities are stricter. Flower Mound’s city council, for example, on Monday approved setbacks of 1,500 feet for residences, schools, parks and hospitals located near production sites. Previously those setbacks were as little as 500 feet, but the city’s negative experiences prompted tougher measures.
Dallas has the luxury of learning from other cities’ experiences. Diversity of energy sources is important, but decision makers must ensure that public health is protected and homeowners don’t pay the price with plunging property values while gas companies reap the profits
BTW for any fracking proponents what about the impact on air quality since we all now how bad it is for groundwater.

Really? We all know how bad it is for groundwater?

I don't know that, and I don't think you do, either.

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