Gear deal...the jungle drums are starting up again...

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9/9/2008 5:42pm
stvh wrote:
As they've just recently opened up a design office in Irvine not too far from Hurley and Oneil I would say they're definitely pushing towards the...
As they've just recently opened up a design office in Irvine not too far from Hurley and Oneil I would say they're definitely pushing towards the surf/skate market.
Fox ? It's been there at least a year that I know of.

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Then surely you understand how hard they are working at expanding their presence in the surf market. I normally make 4 to 6 trips a year to the HB area and on every trip I see their market share of the industry increasing rapidly.

The surf market was already large in numbers but with the influx of cheap surfboards from China, the numbers are growing rapidly so it’s a very good market to invest in.
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9/9/2008 6:35pm
I've been hoping Nike would get into this market. From what I've read so far in this thread, they aren't the correct ANSWER. If Nike ever does get into this market, I'll be the first in line to buy their product.
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9/9/2008 7:41pm
The ANSWER is the ANSWER. Done deal, ink is dry. Fox blew it. It is like Michael Jordon leaving Nike.

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9/9/2008 7:42pm
LeakyMX wrote:
The ANSWER is the ANSWER. Done deal, ink is dry. Fox blew it. It is like Michael Jordon leaving Nike.
You joined today to tell us that?

Congrats Noob!

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9/9/2008 7:53pm
stvh wrote:
As they've just recently opened up a design office in Irvine not too far from Hurley and Oneil I would say they're definitely pushing towards the...
As they've just recently opened up a design office in Irvine not too far from Hurley and Oneil I would say they're definitely pushing towards the surf/skate market.
Fox ? It's been there at least a year that I know of.

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jmar wrote:
Then surely you understand how hard they are working at expanding their presence in the surf market. I normally make 4 to 6 trips a year...
Then surely you understand how hard they are working at expanding their presence in the surf market. I normally make 4 to 6 trips a year to the HB area and on every trip I see their market share of the industry increasing rapidly.

The surf market was already large in numbers but with the influx of cheap surfboards from China, the numbers are growing rapidly so it’s a very good market to invest in.
Fox had two small offices a block apart in Newport. They just moved into one big office in Irvine. Last week at the ASR Trade Show in San Diego, Fox had a huge booth and not one moto photo, only surf ones plastered everywhere.
9/9/2008 8:05pm
There was actually one of Stewart on the outside wall. A really really cool one at that. Not that it means anything, because I have absolutely no clue on what is really going on with him.
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9/9/2008 8:28pm
Answer... So the rumor of him going to JT Racing is totally bunk... damn! lol
9/9/2008 9:06pm
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Answer... So the rumor of him going to JT Racing is totally bunk... damn! lol [IMG]http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr102/Psychcle/bubbles_070306_RL7.jpg[/IMG]
Answer... So the rumor of him going to JT Racing is totally bunk... damn! lol
dang that sucks! i was looking forward to the greatest MX gear of all time returning!!!
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123 wrote:
I've been hoping Nike would get into this market. From what I've read so far in this thread, they aren't the correct ANSWER. If Nike ever...
I've been hoping Nike would get into this market. From what I've read so far in this thread, they aren't the correct ANSWER. If Nike ever does get into this market, I'll be the first in line to buy their product.
Maybe Nike have finally realised that ALL golf courses should be MX tracks!!!
9/10/2008 1:40am
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be.

Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish branding association wiill relate to motocross and will start to appeal to real motocrossers.

Now posers will buy that shit straight from day one.
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9/10/2008 3:42am
LeakyMX wrote:
The ANSWER is the ANSWER. Done deal, ink is dry. Fox blew it. It is like Michael Jordon leaving Nike.
Yup with a Red Bull Bell helmet,
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9/10/2008 5:22am
jmar wrote:
Their just doing that to fund their "CORE BUSINESS" motocross. lol Most on this board don't know a lot about the Surf market and have no...
Their just doing that to fund their "CORE BUSINESS" motocross. lol

Most on this board don't know a lot about the Surf market and have no idea how big it is.
It's HUGE here in the midwest.
/sarcasm
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9/10/2008 5:58am
moto111 wrote:
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be. Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish...
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be.

Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish branding association wiill relate to motocross and will start to appeal to real motocrossers.

Now posers will buy that shit straight from day one.
Nike isn’t getting into the gear market anytime soon. Their deal with Dungey shows that they are testing the temperature of the industry to see it it’s the right market for their shoes. Nike also seems to be building up it’s presence in the surf market just as Fox is.

http://www.nike.com/nke6/v5/#/brand/team/sport_surf
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9/10/2008 6:10am
jmar wrote:
Their just doing that to fund their "CORE BUSINESS" motocross. lol Most on this board don't know a lot about the Surf market and have no...
Their just doing that to fund their "CORE BUSINESS" motocross. lol

Most on this board don't know a lot about the Surf market and have no idea how big it is.
It's HUGE here in the midwest.
/sarcasm

Yea I know not much surfing in the Midwest. Let’s be honest here, how much gear does Fox sell in your general area?

Now ask yourself how much product does say, Billabong, Quicksilver or Hurley sell?
Even though there is no surf anywhere near Turney MO, I am sure that you have plenty of kids running around in a surf wear product.
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9/10/2008 6:39am
moto111 wrote:
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be. Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish...
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be.

Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish branding association wiill relate to motocross and will start to appeal to real motocrossers.

Now posers will buy that shit straight from day one.
jmar wrote:
Nike isn’t getting into the gear market anytime soon. Their deal with Dungey shows that they are testing the temperature of the industry to see it...
Nike isn’t getting into the gear market anytime soon. Their deal with Dungey shows that they are testing the temperature of the industry to see it it’s the right market for their shoes. Nike also seems to be building up it’s presence in the surf market just as Fox is.

http://www.nike.com/nke6/v5/#/brand/team/sport_surf
the industry has a fever!they are testing the temperature
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9/10/2008 6:53am
jmar wrote:
Yea I know not much surfing in the Midwest. Let’s be honest here, how much gear does Fox sell in your general area? Now ask yourself...

Yea I know not much surfing in the Midwest. Let’s be honest here, how much gear does Fox sell in your general area?

Now ask yourself how much product does say, Billabong, Quicksilver or Hurley sell?
Even though there is no surf anywhere near Turney MO, I am sure that you have plenty of kids running around in a surf wear product.
They all sell very well here. We are a fad based society. You cant swing a dead cat around here without hitting a car or truck that has a FOX sticker on it. I wasn't giving you a hard time jmar, it's just struck my as funny.
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9/10/2008 6:55am
moto111 wrote:
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be. Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish...
Really, if Nike brought out kit can you imagine how expensive it would be.

Plus, it would be a couple of years before the Nike swish branding association wiill relate to motocross and will start to appeal to real motocrossers.

Now posers will buy that shit straight from day one.
jmar wrote:
Nike isn’t getting into the gear market anytime soon. Their deal with Dungey shows that they are testing the temperature of the industry to see it...
Nike isn’t getting into the gear market anytime soon. Their deal with Dungey shows that they are testing the temperature of the industry to see it it’s the right market for their shoes. Nike also seems to be building up it’s presence in the surf market just as Fox is.

http://www.nike.com/nke6/v5/#/brand/team/sport_surf
KAWboy14 wrote:
the industry has a fever!they are testing the temperature
the industry has a fever!they are testing the temperature


Ok, rather than trying to make a point in a nice way I will get to the point. Nike is endorsing Dungey to see if they can sell shoes to the flatbiller wanabe sheep that this industry seems to have it’s share of.
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9/10/2008 7:05am
You can buy Fox at JC Penney and other big box stores, you think MX is still their primary market?

Welcome to the back burner
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9/10/2008 7:11am Edited Date/Time 9/10/2008 7:21am
I had one post that got deleted in this thread.
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9/10/2008 7:22am
jmar wrote:
Yea I know not much surfing in the Midwest. Let’s be honest here, how much gear does Fox sell in your general area? Now ask yourself...

Yea I know not much surfing in the Midwest. Let’s be honest here, how much gear does Fox sell in your general area?

Now ask yourself how much product does say, Billabong, Quicksilver or Hurley sell?
Even though there is no surf anywhere near Turney MO, I am sure that you have plenty of kids running around in a surf wear product.
They all sell very well here. We are a fad based society. You cant swing a dead cat around here without hitting a car or truck...
They all sell very well here. We are a fad based society. You cant swing a dead cat around here without hitting a car or truck that has a FOX sticker on it. I wasn't giving you a hard time jmar, it's just struck my as funny.
And the people that have these stickers on their trucks, do they ride or do they just want to be part of the brand?
Point is that Fox makes much more selling stickers and tees hats and hoodies than they do riding gear. IMO if they quit selling riding gear tomorrow it would not hurt their profits and that’s why they are hitting the surf market so hard.
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9/10/2008 7:31am
if i had to wear that clown gear I would jump ship also..... Im not a big fan of fox gear but the new gear they have out is trash....


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9/10/2008 7:38am
flarider wrote:
You can buy Fox at JC Penney and other big box stores, you think MX is still their primary market?

Welcome to the back burner
Exactly. Fox is becoming less and less involved with MX. They are have no Pro Riders, have cut the National Am program, and they just did away with a Regional program. How can anyone support an company that is not supporting the sport?
9/10/2008 7:41am
We dropped fox several years ago because of the Gadzooks deal in the mall. Our rep wouldn't admit they sold it.
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9/10/2008 7:53am
LeakyMX wrote:
The ANSWER is the ANSWER. Done deal, ink is dry. Fox blew it. It is like Michael Jordon leaving Nike.
Huckster wrote:
Yup with a Red Bull Bell helmet,
The Red Bull helmet is why the deal went south for Fox. Stewart was actually asking for less money in order to have the Red Bull helmet. James wanted to get the deal done 8 months ago, but Fox kept blowing him off. You snooze, you looze!
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9/10/2008 7:57am
We got a little upset when we found out that the Mall 3 miles away was selling Fox, but I soon learned that it opened up more people to the stuff.

We sell as much casual clothing as we do gear. Hell it doesn't bother me one bit. Money is money. Some of my best sales people are some MX girls that are spreading the word at their high school that we have the stuff.
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9/10/2008 8:02am
Leaky, 4 posts and some good information here! So who they are trying to get since James is Answer-Red Bull?
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9/10/2008 8:08am
Not sure if anyone posted this yet, from MXA -

According to good sources, the contract talks between Fox and James were going along fairly well early on. Fox was even willing to pay him the same amount for a Supercross-only deal as they would have paid him for a full season. Then, when he wanted to switch helmets and gain even more control over logos, the talks slowed down. The hottest rumor is that James has signed to wear Answer gear in 2009. Obviously, he could still sign a separate helmet deal, most likely with Bell, and a separate boot deal (although Nike seems like a stretch). Fox still might be able to pull the iron out of the fires with Stewart, but don't count on it.
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9/10/2008 8:13am
Neutra wrote:
Leaky, 4 posts and some good information here! So who they are trying to get since James is Answer-Red Bull?
Not many choices since deals are pretty much done. They may still have IT9 next season. But considering his track record, that's a long shot.
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9/10/2008 8:18am
Getting caught up on moto news, here is an article today from MXA -

After the Mid-Week Report first broke the news last week about the probable split between Fox and James Stewart (with Answer Products now looking like Stewart's new gear sponsor), the biggest question left unanswered was who Fox would go to next to fill the void. Fox has never been without having one or more of the sport's biggest stars under their roof, and now with RC retired and Stewart defecting, the question has to be - what now? Ivan Tedesco has proven to be a bust, most people think Carpenter is about as good as he's going to get, so who? The likeliest candidates could be either Mike Alessi - Fox could presumably outbid the clothing contract from Alpinestars (who don't even sell the gear in America), or they could go after Dungey, not only for the sake of retribution, but also because Answer may have emptied their bank account to get Stewart. Cody Cooper could be a star in the making, but with his probable transfer to the Joe Gibbs team with outfits by Troy Lee Designs, that's unlikely. There have been rumors of a Short/Fly split, but none of these come close to filling the Superstar void.


Fox can either save their money and wait for a future Villopoto/Thor split, wait it all out until the next big thing comes along, spread their money out among the more than ample supply of current struggling privateers, or a combination of all three. The one more added bit of Stewart intrigue...all the talk last year about the level of hurt felt in the Stewart camp when Kawasaki forced a team-wide Monster deal on the formerly Red Bull sponsored athlete was apparently deep enough to be among the reasons he left Kawasaki to go to the San Manuel Yamaha team because Red Bull just happens to be back with James for 2009 in A BIG WAY!!

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