Body english

Edited Date/Time 1/26/2014 4:36am
Last race @ Anaheim 2, Jeffro and the Goat had been talking about this "Body english"
What is the meaning of this word???
I mean I can translate it(I am italianSmile ) but I can't get the "meaning".
I,ll appreciate anybody who can help 2 understand..
Ciao!
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Bodieg3
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1/25/2014 12:02pm
Useing your body to make bike do things not normal .
TommyZ
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1/25/2014 12:04pm
It means moving the body around, usually to regain balance, get the bike to do something, etc
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1/25/2014 12:05pm
Hey dude.

It's how a person positions themselves on the bike and how expressive they are when they manipulate the bike.

For example, Fro has commented that 250 riders use a lot of "body english", which is to say that they are very expressive and energetic-looking riders. The 450 riders have refined their style to be more conservative (in most cases) in order to save energy, which while isn't as flashy, may help them actually move quicker with minimal effort.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_R0bL1Ebyo

Ciao.
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1/25/2014 12:07pm
English like in pool. Hitting the ball and giving it spin in a certain direction is called giving it English.

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1/25/2014 12:07pm
Thank you guys!
I got it now..
Cheers
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1/25/2014 12:12pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 12:13pm
nevermind
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1/25/2014 12:14pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 12:17pm
they are sort of using the word informally, and perhaps even incorrectly.

"Bodily movement in a usually unconscious attempt to influence the movement of a propelled object, such as a ball." is what a dictionary says.

what they are really trying to say is what I would refer to as "attitude" or "posture". you could also use the word "stance" or "attack". many American MX enthusiasts might also use "style" to describe this.

basically what they are talking about is positioning your body in such a way as to influence the way the bike and rider work together in relation to how aggressive or passive/reactive the actions are on the motorcycle.

the more aggressive you are, the higher your elbows are and the further forward you are on the bike. this would be an example, of many. another would be hanging off the bike at weird angles to regain control of the motorcycle.
1/25/2014 12:17pm
jamma10 wrote:
nevermind
Wow,it is getting tricky..
That is a bit harder to get but I guess I got the meaning as well..
1/25/2014 12:20pm
Katoomey wrote:
they are sort of using the word informally, and perhaps even incorrectly. "Bodily movement in a usually unconscious attempt to influence the movement of a propelled...
they are sort of using the word informally, and perhaps even incorrectly.

"Bodily movement in a usually unconscious attempt to influence the movement of a propelled object, such as a ball." is what a dictionary says.

what they are really trying to say is what I would refer to as "attitude" or "posture". you could also use the word "stance" or "attack". many American MX enthusiasts might also use "style" to describe this.

basically what they are talking about is positioning your body in such a way as to influence the way the bike and rider work together in relation to how aggressive or passive/reactive the actions are on the motorcycle.

the more aggressive you are, the higher your elbows are and the further forward you are on the bike. this would be an example, of many. another would be hanging off the bike at weird angles to regain control of the motorcycle.
Now that is clear!
However it's amazing howmany shades you got in a couple of words!!Shocked Shocked Shocked
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1/25/2014 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 12:32pm
jamma10 wrote:
nevermind
Wow,it is getting tricky..
That is a bit harder to get but I guess I got the meaning as well..
In England we say 'Body Language' which basically means the way that you can recognise a persons mental state of mind by their actions. In Moto terms you might be able to sense that a rider is feeling confident on the bike by his fluidity and the way he attacks the race track. In general terms you can usually tell if someone is feeling confident by the way they walk around with a sense of purpose.

But my take on it is obviously slightly different from how our American friends describe 'Body English' so I deleted my initial explanation. ha! Smile
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1/25/2014 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 12:41pm
jamma10 wrote:
In England we say 'Body Language' which basically means the way that you can recognise a persons mental state of mind by their actions. In Moto...
In England we say 'Body Language' which basically means the way that you can recognise a persons mental state of mind by their actions. In Moto terms you might be able to sense that a rider is feeling confident on the bike by his fluidity and the way he attacks the race track. In general terms you can usually tell if someone is feeling confident by the way they walk around with a sense of purpose.

But my take on it is obviously slightly different from how our American friends describe 'Body English' so I deleted my initial explanation. ha! Smile
I think body language is exactly as you describe it.

What we are talking about here is something different than "body language"

Body English (i dont like that word for it) and body language aren't really the same thing, although they share a commonality of sorts.

..or at least thats my view, or opinion on it if you will.
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1/25/2014 12:42pm
Barcia uses lots of body English, while the Dunge does not
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1/25/2014 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 12:45pm
Yeah seems your right, I don't think we actually use that expression (how you describe it) over here at all. Must just be an American term.
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1/25/2014 1:34pm
As noted before, it's from billiards and originated in the United States.

The story: In the latter part of the 19th century a billiards player from England, who coincidentally happened to be named English, came to the United States for a billiards demonstration. Instead of always striking the billiard ball on center, the way the locals always did it, he sometimes struck it off center, thus imparting spin on the ball which made it do unexpected (at least to the locals) things.

This amazed the Americans who, from then on, began doing the same thing because it improved their game considerably. They called the technique "putting English on the ball" after the man from England who was named English who showed them how to do it.
1/25/2014 2:09pm
Body language means the same thing and does't sound as stupid!
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1/25/2014 2:12pm
enketchum wrote:
English like in pool. Hitting the ball and giving it spin in a certain direction is called giving it English.
What does an Italian and a cue ball have in common?
The harder you hit them, the more English you get out of them.
(JK)
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1/25/2014 2:14pm
Body language means the same thing and does't sound as stupid!
As explained above, it's not the same thing.
1/25/2014 2:23pm
Body language means the same thing and does't sound as stupid!
Wolfman wrote:
As explained above, it's not the same thing.
Well in that case body english is incorrect. How does putting spin on a billiards ball relate to what a rider is doing on his bike?

It's body language.
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1/25/2014 2:46pm
Body language means the same thing and does't sound as stupid!
Wolfman wrote:
As explained above, it's not the same thing.
Well in that case body english is incorrect. How does putting spin on a billiards ball relate to what a rider is doing on his bike...
Well in that case body english is incorrect. How does putting spin on a billiards ball relate to what a rider is doing on his bike?

It's body language.
I'm drunk. I'll let someone else explain. Laughing
1/25/2014 3:04pm
enketchum wrote:
English like in pool. Hitting the ball and giving it spin in a certain direction is called giving it English.
Joko wrote:
What does an Italian and a cue ball have in common?
The harder you hit them, the more English you get out of them.
(JK)
Yeah,
you are right buddy,we have pretty much hard heads..
Thanx god we got Cairoli showing something good,more than a cue ball..
But I think the best explanation was from Kuskokwim so far..
So thank you very much KuskokwimSmile
1/25/2014 4:26pm Edited Date/Time 1/25/2014 4:34pm
Lord, people. From dictionary.com:

body English
noun Sports.
a twisting of the body by a player as if to help a ball already hit, rolled, or kicked to travel in the desired direction.


Body language is communicating to others without speaking. In short, body language is interpreted by people, and -English by the ball (or bike). You didn't give us the context, but you can probably figure out which he meant. Jeff is someone who continually uses "transparent" when he means "apparent," so always be weary when learning new words from him.
1/26/2014 4:36am
Lord, people. From dictionary.com: [i]body English noun Sports. a twisting of the body by a player as if to help a ball already hit, rolled, or...
Lord, people. From dictionary.com:

body English
noun Sports.
a twisting of the body by a player as if to help a ball already hit, rolled, or kicked to travel in the desired direction.


Body language is communicating to others without speaking. In short, body language is interpreted by people, and -English by the ball (or bike). You didn't give us the context, but you can probably figure out which he meant. Jeff is someone who continually uses "transparent" when he means "apparent," so always be weary when learning new words from him.
Haha!
Thanx bro..
So I'll pay attention about Jeffro's sentences!!Laughing Laughing Laughing

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