GPS units for Offroad? suggestions needed

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hey guys, i'm going on a big ride in April and am looking into mounting a GPS unit on my handlebars for the trip. i've been wanting a unit anyway, but with this coming up i'm going ahead and committing to getting one. i'm going for a unit that is going to be hard-wired to my battery and mounted on the handlebars.

first off, suggestions are definitely needed and opinions on models/mounts/etc are appreciated.
(please don't suggest i use my phone, not going to happen for various reasons)


my first choice is the Trail Tech Voyager.

Pro: i really like the look of it, and the fact it was made specifically for offroad motorcycle riding. it's pretty cool as it guages your engine temp, wheel speed, and coolant temp. i also like the idea of being able to load my route on the computer after and upload it to google earth to check out my rides. another cool thing is the display is large and very visible in the outdoor lighting, this is a huge pro. i honestly haven't read a bad word about them besides the con listed below.
Con: i really don't like the idea of having a GPS device but not being able to see surrounding topography. from my nonextensive research, i find that i am only able to view/load/save my route and other routes other people have taken. i'm not able to see how far the nearest high-way, river, etc is. this is a problem if i become lost or anything like that.


my second choice is the Garmin Oregon 450t.


Pro: i really like the ability to have the surrounding topography available. not only for a safety issue, it might give me the ability to read trails ahead of time and that kind of thing.
Cons: i haven't read or heard of very many people using this unit on a dirtbike, so i don't have much to go on. i know the screen is difficult to see in daytime lighting, so thats pretty shitty. no idea on shock resistance.


if anyone can help steer me in a direction i would appreciate it. hopefully i can get it figured out soon so i can get a unit installed and test it out before my trip. thanks bros.
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Voyager is useless. If you want to see some lines on a small screen as to where you went. Go for it. You will have no idea where you are. Go with something with a good map database in it. It looks like your Garmin may fit that bill. Otherwise zip tie a cheap ass handheld to your handle bars to capture your trail so you can import it into google earth when you are done.
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I use a Garmin eTrex Venture HC.....love it
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I use an app called Backcountry Navigator on my Android phone. The app is cheap and it works great. Where this solution may not fit your needs is mounting the phone to your bars and keeping the screen on. Otherwise, it is awesome. I've been using this app for the past three years to navigate our way around the Sierra Nevadas where I keep the phone in my tool pack.

Also, you don't need cell reception to make it work. It works off the phone's internal GPS. I put my phone in Airplane mode and turn on the GPS when using it. The battery on my Samsung S4 will last all day long in this mode tracking our adventures.
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resetjet wrote:
Voyager is useless. If you want to see some lines on a small screen as to where you went. Go for it. You will have no...
Voyager is useless. If you want to see some lines on a small screen as to where you went. Go for it. You will have no idea where you are. Go with something with a good map database in it. It looks like your Garmin may fit that bill. Otherwise zip tie a cheap ass handheld to your handle bars to capture your trail so you can import it into google earth when you are done.
yeah i'm leaning toward the Garmin for that reason. i really like the Voyager but it not having a base map is pretty silly to me.

@ malachi - do you have that hard-wired or throw it in your pack? i'm mainly wanting to hard-wire as i'm not sure i'll be able to charge much of anything without.

@ Wiley - very useful around here, but i'm not so sure it'll meet my needs for my trip. i really like the GPS apps on my android for mountain biking, i'll have to look into that particular app. i've been using AllSportGPS.

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1/22/2014 5:10pm
Hey Peelout, I do not have first hand experience with either device but I do use an app called Trimble Outdoor Navigator which is great. I would go with the Garmin because of the topography maps. I've been "a little" lost a few times in some gnarly areas. Having the topography maps to see elevation and creeks can really keep you out of trouble or find your way. Not to mention all the land marks topography maps can provide.

At first the trail tech voyager looks cool because of the gauges but I've shopped around for similar devices and have not found a good all around device for bike monitoring and gps.

If you do pick one up let us know how it works after a few tries!
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I use a Garmin for snowmobiling which would essentially be serving the same purpose and I've had great luck with mine. I use RAM mounts and they handle being bounced down a trail at 80+ mph and never need to be readjusted. They make a million different options for mounting with cradles for all GPS models.

As far as hard wiring it, I don't know about any other brands but my Garmin can potentially fry on a full 12v. The car charger plug has the right resistor in it to protect the unit so I bought a female cig lighter adapter, hard wired that right to my battery, plugged my Garmin car charger in to that, safety wired it all together to make sure it never comes apart, tucked it away in the frame and it's been flawless for about 6 seasons.

One last thing, you should consider some sort of a spot device to track you as well as send a distress call in case there is an emergency. We use one when we snowmobile because we can sometimes be 60+ miles from the nearest road.
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EZZA you're the man!

MXD and Hazzard, thanks for the responses. I'm definitely thinking the Garmin is the way I'll go. The guages and different functions of the Voyager are nice but in the end having topography is very important to me. I also do a lot of snowmobiling so it will get double uses
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I have had an Oregon 300 for 5 years. Works great. I mainly use it for sailing on the west coast off-shore & in the Caribbean. I have used it with topo micro sd cards 4 wheeling in the desert. I know they make various mounts. I picked up a new Montana 600 last year for a back-up.

This was my first GPS & I had a big learning curve with it. Garmin's customer service was/is outstanding! I will probably always go with Garmin because of this. They are very helpful with all my sailing software pc programs & electronic charts.
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1/22/2014 6:49pm
Peely,
I'm sponsored by RAM Mounts and I'll get you whatever mount you need...and it's not like the BD sponsorship deal! Lol
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1/22/2014 7:17pm
peelout wrote:
yeah i'm leaning toward the Garmin for that reason. i really like the Voyager but it not having a base map is pretty silly to me...
yeah i'm leaning toward the Garmin for that reason. i really like the Voyager but it not having a base map is pretty silly to me.

@ malachi - do you have that hard-wired or throw it in your pack? i'm mainly wanting to hard-wire as i'm not sure i'll be able to charge much of anything without.

@ Wiley - very useful around here, but i'm not so sure it'll meet my needs for my trip. i really like the GPS apps on my android for mountain biking, i'll have to look into that particular app. i've been using AllSportGPS.
I have it attached to my handlebars via a RAM mount. I don't have it hard wired, I use Lithium batteries, I get over 8hrs use out of them. Simple and no wiring headaches.
1/22/2014 7:35pm
Peely

I have the garmin. I like it and it is a compact set up. You can get a mount from garmin that slides on the unit and zip ties to the handle bars. I only use batteries. ...

Good luck
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1/22/2014 7:45pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 7:46pm
Not sure if they're available in your area. But anytime I go on one of my long offroad trips I use my GPS and I also carry a back roads map book of the area I'm in. The maps are decent and they have the long and lats on the pages. I grab the long and lat from my Garmin and cross reference with the map book. Works very very well. I haven't got lost!....yet
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1/22/2014 7:50pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 7:50pm
I have an Oregon 450 with a ram mount, and the excellent topography. I always keep it in my knapsack until I need it. Lost an etrex for a week from a ram mount with a weak lanyard.

Its not only great for biking.
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Peelout- I know you said no phones, BUT...

I pre-ran the Baja 1000 with an iPhone 5 mounted on the handlebars in a Ram case. I use the $1.99 Motion X GPS app.
This setup is amazing, and IMO blows away the Garmin eTrex that my friends use.

Here's my top-five favorites with this setup:

1. Maps are free. You can load topo and satellite images.
2. Works outside of cellular range.
3. Send and receive track logs via email- no cable or laptop needed.
4. Color display is large enough to view at a glance while on the bike.
5. Send and receive text messages while riding!

For power I use a USB power port mounted to the front of the triple clamp. It's hard-wired to the battery. It's actually a product that I'll be selling on my website starting next week.
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The best GPS you can put on your bike is the Garmin 60csx. But it has limited memory. It will work for most everything you will need, my prob was when I tried to load hundreds of miles of breadcrumb race course. It required computer time to minimize the amounts of bread crumbs enough that it would load. I used a mountain bike bracket to mount. More compact but they started to break after a few hundred hard miles. I had spares as there only $10 each. The push buttons are way better than the touch screen (Oregon and Montana)...you don't have to take your glove off to use it. The hard wire set-up is also way better than the newer Montana and Oregon...those new ones use a phone car charger type and at only a few hundred miles I am already having to send my Oregon's back because of what I believe to be a bad connection on the charger. If it was wet and rained I am afraid it would short out and ruin the GPS. On the 60csx it has a built in type o-ring hard wire connector.
The trail tech's are not really a consideration in my opinion.
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60csx.
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Also, Garmin base camp is free, communicates w Google earth and your Garmin GPS. You can send and receive routes and see them on GE.
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1/22/2014 9:00pm Edited Date/Time 1/22/2014 9:01pm
Wow... Shit load of awesome recommendations and good tips. Thanks Bros my decision just became harder lol

Xeno I will have to get a pic of the setup if you have something? I definitely could go with phone in your instance... Save me a few hundred too.

Coaltrain, I haven't even heard of that one but will definitely research it. You make a great point about the hard wire and buttons versus touch... Ps does that button say Clit? SOLD! Haha

So many options
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peelout wrote:
Wow... Shit load of awesome recommendations and good tips. Thanks Bros my decision just became harder lol Xeno I will have to get a pic of...
Wow... Shit load of awesome recommendations and good tips. Thanks Bros my decision just became harder lol

Xeno I will have to get a pic of the setup if you have something? I definitely could go with phone in your instance... Save me a few hundred too.

Coaltrain, I haven't even heard of that one but will definitely research it. You make a great point about the hard wire and buttons versus touch... Ps does that button say Clit? SOLD! Haha

So many options
I'll get you some pics manana when I'm at the shop.
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Sweet man thanks! Also searched for Motion X on Android, is it apple only?

Ridge - Haha just saw your reply, if it happens sweet, if not it's the way to go so I'll still do it.. But a little off the top is always nice!

Wiley - awesome app, takes some learning but I can see it being very useful! Any idea how to download Mexico topo?
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Peelout, I like the trail tech endurance II for the speedo, mileage functions, cheap, reliable and compact. Fits right between your headlight and bars with included mount. I leave that on all the time, and when I want gps I ziptie it on. Most of the time, I don't want or need GPS as you can generally pull your phone out and figure out where the hell you are. I mainly use it to log trips to look at after or to find new trails/areas or connect existing single track. Its pretty cool and easy to import it into google earth.

As far as the voltage thing goes, Most bikes are AC power coming off the stator and then some (usually estart) have a regulator rectifier to change it to DC leading to the battery circuit for starting. Just make sure you wire it correctly. DC doesn't really care about the amps, but you can easily fry something if the voltage is incorrect. Some units, like the endurance II will run on either, you just hook up the wire to whatever you have....
1/23/2014 8:53am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2014 8:55am
Garmin Montana 650t

true offroad GPS with everything one it that you could possibly need from a off-road GPS. Water- and shockproof and still good to read in direct sunlight.

Only downside is the price... There are cheaper versions like the 600 but they lack the TOPO addition.

For power, all KTM's have 2 ACC leads behind the headlight. 1 is switched power and the other is constant. (not sure if the EXC/XC(W) have em aswell, pull the headlight mask to check)
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Peely, I thought you were a true Bro? Guess not. Real Bro's don't need a GPS cuz the party always follows them! Fucking poser... Whistling

BTW, thinking about hitting the Oreana 100 next month. You wanna do some dez racing Bro?
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Peely, I thought you were a true Bro? Guess not. Real Bro's don't need a GPS cuz the party always follows them! Fucking poser... :whistle: BTW...
Peely, I thought you were a true Bro? Guess not. Real Bro's don't need a GPS cuz the party always follows them! Fucking poser... Whistling

BTW, thinking about hitting the Oreana 100 next month. You wanna do some dez racing Bro?
the GPS is going to be cool to see my epic trip on Google Earth.

dafuq is the Oreana? me and Ridge are thinking about racing the Idaho City 100 in May, you down?

ps i'm always up for some dez racing, bro.
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COAL-TRAIN wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2014/01/22/43119/s1200_IMG_2303.jpg[/img] 60csx.


60csx.
This is the exact unit I have been using for years .Easy to use and bullet proof, Very accurate, I was hitting DS checks on the exact 100/th. That being said I like the bigger higher res screens on newer ones. I use the garmin bike mount and i like the lower profile and cost. I have used it Mtn biking, sledding and boating as well.
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I wasted a couple hundred to figure it out. What I learned…..forget the damn touch screens, just did not work for me with gloves and moving at the same time. Get one that can accept custom maps. They are nice to figure out where you are but great for following a planned route. You can plan it and load yourself or just load a file from someone else.
I wanted topo on mine. The topo comes in two versions 100K and 24K. I have both. The 100K is junk for me. The 24K has every trail, old road bed, existing road, forest road etc. It cost more for a good reason. It is purchased separate and added on. What works for me?
Garmin 62s

I have a ram mount. Supplemented with a zip ty. I have a 12 volt cord for it.
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peelout wrote:
Sweet man thanks! Also searched for Motion X on Android, is it apple only? Ridge - Haha just saw your reply, if it happens sweet, if...
Sweet man thanks! Also searched for Motion X on Android, is it apple only?

Ridge - Haha just saw your reply, if it happens sweet, if not it's the way to go so I'll still do it.. But a little off the top is always nice!

Wiley - awesome app, takes some learning but I can see it being very useful! Any idea how to download Mexico topo?
Peelout, I just looked for what's available for Mexico and there's not much. You would need to look within the "Worldwide" category. Downloading is easy. I believe there are instructions online.

Xeno, could you post pics for us all. I'm interested in your setup too. Would be cool to mount my phone to the bars and plug it into the bike's battery.
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1/23/2014 10:21am Edited Date/Time 1/23/2014 10:22am
peelout wrote:
the GPS is going to be cool to see my epic trip on Google Earth. dafuq is the Oreana? me and Ridge are thinking about racing...
the GPS is going to be cool to see my epic trip on Google Earth.

dafuq is the Oreana? me and Ridge are thinking about racing the Idaho City 100 in May, you down?

ps i'm always up for some dez racing, bro.
A lot like the Idaho City 100. 100 mile SIDRA race outside of Oreana just south/west of Mountain Home on Feb 22nd. Hit me up if you are thinking of going Bro. Me and the lady are planning things out this week to make it happen. Wink



By May I'll be I'm usually in full moto race mode.

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