Andersons Fine is Psuedo BS

Edited Date/Time 1/20/2014 3:49am
He couldn't have and I'd guess didnt see the flags till he was committed to hitting that section.
He did slow down but not till he was alongside the flags

had the flags been prior to that corner, and not after, I'd say the fine sticks.

Watch the replay. Like I said, had the first flag guy with the Cross flag and Yellow flag been on the entrance of the turn sure. Rider Fine.
But on the exit, WFO coming around a corner before a double, you're committed by the time you see it.

ALSO, the Flagger was standing after the 1st jump.. Not before it.. Just another reason from the replay I say Anderson saw it too late..

Was there a flagger before the turn? I don't know. Does anyone know?

Carbunckle would threaten to quit the series and retire and get it reversed.

4:45 on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncTGEZTpbbY

I'd like to hear JT$ and Matthes take tomorrow night. Tough call, but I think 2 positions is a bit rough considering where the flagger was located and the time to react to the flag. Especially considering locking up at the last second doesnt mean you're not going to face plant the 2nd jump.

Flame on.
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1/19/2014 3:08pm
He needs to ask Villopoto how to deal with this situation. Whistling
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I disagree. I am pulling for the kid, but I saw it when it occurred and thought something was going to be said about it. Safety precautions are there for a reason and I am tired of all the "I didn't see it crap". He should be docked and did get docked.

On a brighter side, I don't think he will have a problem with the championship, he's looking really good.
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1/19/2014 3:12pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
He needs to ask Villopoto how to deal with this situation. Whistling
So true!!!!! Rockstar and Monster is how you deal with it.

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1/19/2014 3:16pm
Only if there is video....
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blah, blah, blah....
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1/19/2014 3:21pm
The first flagger was on top of the first table that Anderson was jumping over. If he had landed that and then rolled from there out of the section, he may have been ok. But after passing the first red cross flag, he stepped up onto the next table. There is no way he didn't see the first flag as he was jumping past it. Not seeing it until he was committed coming out of the corner is a legit point. But after he passed the first one, he still jumped up onto the next table before rolling out.

I would like to hear official word of why the penalty was given, but that is what I believe got him the penalty
1/19/2014 3:23pm
enketchum wrote:
Only if there is video....
Only if there is video....
Had you read it, you'd see the link.

Only video I havent seen is if there was a flagger on the entrance to the turn.
There was NO Flagger at the previous jump before the turn.
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1/19/2014 3:26pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
He needs to ask Villopoto how to deal with this situation. Whistling
Fixed it for ya.

He needs to ask RC how to deal with this situation.
1/19/2014 3:29pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
He needs to ask Villopoto how to deal with this situation. Whistling
RandyS wrote:
Fixed it for ya.

He needs to ask RC how to deal with this situation.
That was addressed in the first post.
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Anyone know was the penalty awarded on the back of a protest or race adjudicators call?
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That's a bullshit call. Going that speed, you can't slow up w/out cartwheeling into oblivion.
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Are you saying if it was, say....Dean Wilson or Justin Hill, it would have been just fine......????? Wink
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Are you saying if it was, say....Dean Wilson or Justin Hill, it would have been just fine......????? Wink
**just a fine**Wink
1/19/2014 4:22pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2014 4:23pm
I dont care who it was. From the video, and where the flaggers were and when the rider could react, I couldn't levy a fine or dock his placing

By the time he saw the first flagger who never even looked at Anderson and wasnt waving the flags, and was positioned AFTER the take off of the first jump, Im pretty sure most riders would say, "By the time I saw them, its too late"

And then Wild Bill has it right.

Anderson did slow down, but you cant just stop in a sport where once you commit to hitting a section, you're kinda stuck.

Had the first crossflag/yellow guy been at the entrance to the turn, or even before the 1st jump takeoff, I'd say, well, last second could have locked them up.

But, in this case, gotta give the kid back his position and points, mostly IMO,due to the FIRST flagger not really being visable until airborne, First Flagger with crossflag and yellow not waving the flags, lots of fails.
1/19/2014 4:50pm
Andy I respect your opinion and knowledge of the flags..waving and not.

The 1st flagger isnt waving the yellow, he's holding both out and messing with his headphones.......And he is standing atop the 2nd jump. Not the first. So the rider is airborne at first site.

The take off jump has a white chalk line on it, the 2nd jump where flagger is standing is after that.

Based on that is why I think the infraction is there, even though anderson slowed down(probably too late), I dont think in this case the fine is warranted.

Mostly because one he left the first jump for that section, you're kinda stuck to it.

Anyway, who cares. Hows your mom and is she still cutting hair?
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1/19/2014 4:57pm Edited Date/Time 1/19/2014 5:00pm
Andy I respect your opinion and knowledge of the flags..waving and not. The 1st flagger isnt waving the yellow, he's holding both out and messing with...
Andy I respect your opinion and knowledge of the flags..waving and not.

The 1st flagger isnt waving the yellow, he's holding both out and messing with his headphones.......And he is standing atop the 2nd jump. Not the first. So the rider is airborne at first site.

The take off jump has a white chalk line on it, the 2nd jump where flagger is standing is after that.

Based on that is why I think the infraction is there, even though anderson slowed down(probably too late), I dont think in this case the fine is warranted.

Mostly because one he left the first jump for that section, you're kinda stuck to it.

Anyway, who cares. Hows your mom and is she still cutting hair?
I understand your points. I certainly don't want to see a championship decided on something so little as well. That would suck if Anderson loses it for say 3 points.

I just know rules are rules and you want it to be decided evenly always. That is why I made the Webb and Seely reference. When it was live, I even was like, "Dang.. He's gonna get busted" but forgot about it until this morning.

However, I am on board with you and he obviously slowed down safely. You would think it would be a slap on the wrist type of thing because it was so minimal. I wonder if it was brought to the attention of the AMA by TLD or Webb's team. At that point, they (AMA) would have to do something if the other riders rolled everything.

Mom is good. Still cutting hair. Thanks for asking!
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1/19/2014 5:05pm
Atk is right, ask villopoto.lol
1/19/2014 5:20pm
Andy I respect your opinion and knowledge of the flags..waving and not. The 1st flagger isnt waving the yellow, he's holding both out and messing with...
Andy I respect your opinion and knowledge of the flags..waving and not.

The 1st flagger isnt waving the yellow, he's holding both out and messing with his headphones.......And he is standing atop the 2nd jump. Not the first. So the rider is airborne at first site.

The take off jump has a white chalk line on it, the 2nd jump where flagger is standing is after that.

Based on that is why I think the infraction is there, even though anderson slowed down(probably too late), I dont think in this case the fine is warranted.

Mostly because one he left the first jump for that section, you're kinda stuck to it.

Anyway, who cares. Hows your mom and is she still cutting hair?
Regis wrote:
I understand your points. I certainly don't want to see a championship decided on something so little as well. That would suck if Anderson loses it...
I understand your points. I certainly don't want to see a championship decided on something so little as well. That would suck if Anderson loses it for say 3 points.

I just know rules are rules and you want it to be decided evenly always. That is why I made the Webb and Seely reference. When it was live, I even was like, "Dang.. He's gonna get busted" but forgot about it until this morning.

However, I am on board with you and he obviously slowed down safely. You would think it would be a slap on the wrist type of thing because it was so minimal. I wonder if it was brought to the attention of the AMA by TLD or Webb's team. At that point, they (AMA) would have to do something if the other riders rolled everything.

Mom is good. Still cutting hair. Thanks for asking!
Good to hear.

I just think that the flagger placement, the time and place the rider could "Probably" actually see the flags and action, his speed at that time, and the circumstances, 2 positions for a fine is too much. Especially because he did slow considerably and you cant just slow down in a section like that. Its not that easy. Every rider knows that.

Had the first flagger been on jump 1, I'd think more like you, he would have had a split second to lock up the brakes, but thats not the case.

If I had to compromise, I say doc his winnings worse case, but not the points.....
1/19/2014 5:36pm
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I disagree. I am pulling for the kid, but I saw it when it occurred and thought something was going to be said about it. Safety...
I disagree. I am pulling for the kid, but I saw it when it occurred and thought something was going to be said about it. Safety precautions are there for a reason and I am tired of all the "I didn't see it crap". He should be docked and did get docked.

On a brighter side, I don't think he will have a problem with the championship, he's looking really good.
Seely has led 40 of 45 laps. To say Anderson doesn't have a problem shows a lack of basic understanding of the sport.
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I rewatched it a couple of times and even though I was happy to see Webb get the spot because of Anderson getting docked. If it were me I wouldnt have docked him. I hope this just adds fuel to his fire!
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1/19/2014 5:45pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:
He needs to ask Villopoto how to deal with this situation. Whistling
MotoX85 wrote:
So true!!!!! Rockstar and Monster is how you deal with it.
cant decide which ass is my favorite in your pic
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I am pretty sure they showed this exact pass in the RV infomercial that aired last night during the broadcast. They were talking about his passing ability...poor choice of clips, imho.
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He couldn't have and I'd guess didnt see the flags till he was committed to hitting that section. He did slow down but not till he...
He couldn't have and I'd guess didnt see the flags till he was committed to hitting that section.
He did slow down but not till he was alongside the flags

had the flags been prior to that corner, and not after, I'd say the fine sticks.

Watch the replay. Like I said, had the first flag guy with the Cross flag and Yellow flag been on the entrance of the turn sure. Rider Fine.
But on the exit, WFO coming around a corner before a double, you're committed by the time you see it.

ALSO, the Flagger was standing after the 1st jump.. Not before it.. Just another reason from the replay I say Anderson saw it too late..

Was there a flagger before the turn? I don't know. Does anyone know?

Carbunckle would threaten to quit the series and retire and get it reversed.

4:45 on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncTGEZTpbbY

I'd like to hear JT$ and Matthes take tomorrow night. Tough call, but I think 2 positions is a bit rough considering where the flagger was located and the time to react to the flag. Especially considering locking up at the last second doesnt mean you're not going to face plant the 2nd jump.

Flame on.
It was a triple, not a rhythm section. He did go through a section like this, and it was reviewed but no penalty given.

And I know some of you love conspiracy theories, but energy drink companies don't make (or influence these rulings.
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Katoomey wrote:
blah, blah, blah....
That guy's going down!

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