Would You Like a Rule That Eliminated Some Lapped Riders?

11/5/2013 12:16pm
No! So, let's say you black flagged a rider as soon as he gets lapped, the only rider he would slow down is the lead rider. If he had to leave the track as soon as he gets lapped the second place rider does not have the same challenge.
Can you imagine the race where RC lapped the field, everyone including JS7 gets a black flag and only RC is riding
around the rest of the race? Hilarious! Just my 2 cents. By the way, if you want less lappers cut the gate to 10 riders, another bad idea!
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11/6/2013 10:52am
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
Vital needs something like that for lapped posters...

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11/6/2013 11:52am
Better yet, make a STOCK only rule. All riders must ride bone stock, out of the box bikes. Then we could see who the best rider is and that would level the playing field. Then if someone gets lapped it is purely talent and not deep pockets.

Kinda like IROC for moto.

Getting lapped is part of racing. The guys in 17th have the same right to the track. The rule has always been "hold your line".
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11/6/2013 4:07pm Edited Date/Time 11/6/2013 4:19pm
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
BobbyM wrote:
Vital needs something like that for lapped posters...
Laughing Woohoo TripleJive needs to be Black Flagged from posting any more of his nonsense..

60 no -- 0 yes lol
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11/7/2013 8:25am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2013 8:25am
I'm not sure. I kind of like the idea.
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11/7/2013 11:03am
loftyair wrote:
Too hard to regulate. But, to the racers who are no longer racing, get the f off the track!
:huh: What do you mean by no longer racing? their all racing towards a better finish. It may not be first but they give points and...
Huh What do you mean by no longer racing? their all racing towards a better finish.

It may not be first but they give points and pay every one in the main eventDry
not just talking about sx or the main. You've seen the guys just cruising around, they are not 'racing', and they could care less about the point or two they are not getting back by trying to pass or not get passed by others. Plus, they would still get their points, pulling off the track still gives them 18th, 19th, or 20th points. So, racers, if you stop racing during an event, and I mean even that local race, get the f off the track!
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11/7/2013 11:13am
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
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No .... there is no practice like racing and those guys have got to learn and get quicker and being pushed on in a race is the best way too do that... we have all been there at some point but they should maybe be made more aware to let leaders pass
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11/7/2013 3:13pm
No way traffic is good it can be a game changer an can make racing exciting
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11/7/2013 6:09pm
bw51 wrote:
No .... there is no practice like racing and those guys have got to learn and get quicker and being pushed on in a race is...
No .... there is no practice like racing and those guys have got to learn and get quicker and being pushed on in a race is the best way too do that... we have all been there at some point but they should maybe be made more aware to let leaders pass
Radio communications could help with lappers........but then again so would shock collars
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bw51 wrote:
No .... there is no practice like racing and those guys have got to learn and get quicker and being pushed on in a race is...
No .... there is no practice like racing and those guys have got to learn and get quicker and being pushed on in a race is the best way too do that... we have all been there at some point but they should maybe be made more aware to let leaders pass
The Rock wrote:
Radio communications could help with lappers........but then again so would shock collars
Haha now that would make good racing
11/8/2013 1:41am
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
No, these guys qualified and have every right to finish the race.
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11/8/2013 4:44am
They may not be racing the leaders but they are racing none the less.
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11/9/2013 9:34am Edited Date/Time 11/9/2013 10:18am
70 Vote NO - 2 vote Yes lol the YESes win by a land slideDizzy
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11/9/2013 9:56am
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
No, these guys qualified and have every right to finish the race.
Good point. Also, other thread. If your riding around in 20th because your slow or hurt or bike problems then so be it. I am changing my opinion to NO.
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11/9/2013 10:19am
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
No, these guys qualified and have every right to finish the race.
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Good point. Also, other thread. If your riding around in 20th because your slow or hurt or bike problems then so be it. I am changing...
Good point. Also, other thread. If your riding around in 20th because your slow or hurt or bike problems then so be it. I am changing my opinion to NO.
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11/9/2013 12:03pm Edited Date/Time 11/9/2013 12:04pm
And i thought the OP was educated...
11/11/2013 5:02pm
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You're right to be shocked and confused. My personal blow to the OP was rather low.
Instead of spewing crap i should have expressed my opinion on this idea.

I just thought his idea was terribly narrow minded. Riders work hard and spend allot of cash to get there. This kind of idea is a blow to them and the sport, there is more going around then the 'fast guys'. Getting your ass into a main event is not easy to do, getting pulled out of it 'because rules say so' will bring less starters to the event over time.
11/11/2013 5:29pm
Perhaps I should have been less specific.

I'll get blasted for using the N-word,

but in NASCAR they do a pretty good job of removing drivers that are no longer part of the race. They have a minimum speed that drivers must maintain or else they face being black flagged.

Each SX race I'm blown away to see riders in the back rolling the whoops/triples towards the end of the race. Not to take away any credit from these guys, but it's clear that at that point their race is over. The only thing left for them to do is get in the way of the show that we are all there to see.

Just curious; since a lot of people seem to disagree with my stance because they feel it takes away from the glory that the backmarkers have earned, do you feel that we should eliminate the night qualifiers and have a 40 man gate? The point I'm trying to make with this thought exercise is that no matter how you look at it, the cutoff that determines who deserves to be on he track is completely arbitrary.
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11/11/2013 5:31pm
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You're right to be shocked and confused. My personal blow to the OP was rather low. Instead of spewing crap i should have expressed my opinion...
You're right to be shocked and confused. My personal blow to the OP was rather low.
Instead of spewing crap i should have expressed my opinion on this idea.

I just thought his idea was terribly narrow minded. Riders work hard and spend allot of cash to get there. This kind of idea is a blow to them and the sport, there is more going around then the 'fast guys'. Getting your ass into a main event is not easy to do, getting pulled out of it 'because rules say so' will bring less starters to the event over time.
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11/18/2013 9:10am
TripleFive wrote:
Perhaps I should have been less specific. I'll get blasted for using the N-word, but in NASCAR they do a pretty good job of removing drivers...
Perhaps I should have been less specific.

I'll get blasted for using the N-word,

but in NASCAR they do a pretty good job of removing drivers that are no longer part of the race. They have a minimum speed that drivers must maintain or else they face being black flagged.

Each SX race I'm blown away to see riders in the back rolling the whoops/triples towards the end of the race. Not to take away any credit from these guys, but it's clear that at that point their race is over. The only thing left for them to do is get in the way of the show that we are all there to see.

Just curious; since a lot of people seem to disagree with my stance because they feel it takes away from the glory that the backmarkers have earned, do you feel that we should eliminate the night qualifiers and have a 40 man gate? The point I'm trying to make with this thought exercise is that no matter how you look at it, the cutoff that determines who deserves to be on he track is completely arbitrary.
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11/18/2013 11:07am
If you lived racing every weekend, I can see there's no way you'd want to see the lappers removed. Family members would give anything to see their kid out there on TV for all the effort they put into their kids racing career. If you're wanting to try and grow the viewing audience and make it a more equally competitive and interesting in the Mains,weed out the clearly slower riders any way you can.
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11/18/2013 12:35pm
Would yoy like a rule that eliminated some lapped riders?

NOPE!
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11/18/2013 4:32pm
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11/18/2013 5:12pm
TripleFive wrote:
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night: In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would...
This is obviously just bench racing, but the question came to me last night:

In the interest of safety, does SX need a rule that would systematically black flag riders that are essentially out of the race?
There comes a point in every SX race where the leaders are forced to negotiate a track filled with moving chicanes. At that point, these backmarkers are nothing more than a dangerous interference. Sure, they do add some excitement, but I hate seing a third party effect the outcome of a fierce battle.



The rule could read something like this:

Riders are eliminated when:
1. They are lapped twice by the leader, or
2. They are the last active rider on the track one lap down, after ten laps have been completed.
I guess Im in the minority but I'd like to see it.

Get lapped once, get off the track.

Too many guys just going thru the motions out there. I'd like the rule because it would force them to go all out all the time.
11/18/2013 5:14pm
Mxdnusa wrote:
They may not be racing the leaders but they are racing none the less.
"Racing" and "Riding" are two different things.

Just because youre going around the track doesnt mean you are "racing".
11/18/2013 6:21pm
Mxdnusa wrote:
They may not be racing the leaders but they are racing none the less.
"Racing" and "Riding" are two different things.

Just because youre going around the track doesnt mean you are "racing".
I give credit to every rider that makes it in the final field. MX is not Nascar. Nascar would not allow one team to have a tire advantage. Nascar will provide the fuel. Nascar will not pull up banners that block spectator viewing. Nascar has roll bars. I see guys in 30th place haul'n ass and racing in MX. The factory riders are naturally faster, are riding factory suspension, have factory EFI module settings and one off tire compounds. With all these advantages, there will be some extremely talented riders who will get lapped.

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