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So should we start talking restrictor plates to slow these guys down a bit?
That option that RV and James were doing was retarded!!!!
I like seeing the guys get after it and mistakes make for good racing too, but you can't have a bike as capable as a 450 inside a stadium being challenged like the old days, they're so much motor with perfect traction, can about jump anything.
250 two strokes tapped by the very top echelon guys wouldn't have been able to launch that thing, they might have got onto the table, which was huge, but relatively safe.
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Make the 250 2 stroke / 350 4 stroke the standard for the premier class and 125 2 stroke / 174-200 4 stroke the standard for the 250 class.
Now what'll happen to injuries?
That might be where we are 20 years from now. Now think about how fast the bikes are now compared to where they were 20 years ago. Were the bikes too slow for McGrath?
Where do we draw the line? Do we really need Lites class bikes with 65 HP?
As technology improves, we have to manage the speed of these bikes. We should follow the lead of Indy Car racing. The way to do that and still allow the manufacturers to innovate and compete with each other is to lower the maximum displacement from time to time.
When you limit the engines, only the big money teams end up being competitive. Price an F1 motor lately?
The best and least expensive racing results when the engine rules are lax enough that even the small budget teams can make all the power that they can use.
As far as I know all of the bikes are currently equipped with a power limiter on the right end of the handlebars.
These things have just gotten out of control.
Think about it Nascar uses restrictor plates and those guys have a freaking cage. They realized it was too fast. Like somebody said we have to draw the line somewhere.
On another note maybe this could also help the privateers out. Require restrictor plates on the 4 strokes only. Slow them down a bit and it may make the 2 strokes more competitive to run with the cheater bikes. Or for the guys that aren't on Geico or Pro Circuit maybe they will have a chance now.
Just some thoughts.
WTF?
You would go slower but the biked wouldnt kick around and spit you off over jumps and whoops.
what a dumb concept...restricter.....wtf u talkin' bout willis.....
Speeds remain safe...ish, and it drives innovation.
We need to lower displacements, then let the factories innovate to bring the power up with each new model. Everyone will benefit from the new tech, and a good side effect is that it allows us to fix the problems created by the double displacement rule.
2 strokes at 125 and 250cc will once again be competitive.
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Let's pretend for a moment that the bikes have restrictor plates. At first, the jumps will be too long because the track builders haven't adjusted to the reduced capabilities of the restrictor plated bikes. The track builder will start making the jumps closer together until they meet the capabilities of the bikes. Everything is now back to where it was before the restrictor plates.
The bikes don't need to be slower. The tracks need to be designed differently. I am not sure what a safe track looks like but it certainly isn't what we have today.
There was a time they rode 500's in SX and went away from it before Yamaha and Suzuki quit producing them effectively shutting the open class down in the US. This was a function of the bigger HP bikes being not as good in the tight confines of the stadium, they didn't change the tracks back then but focused on the 2 classes that excelled in the environment they were being raced.
I think the bigger question is why was an open class motorcycle allowed to be developed for the 250 class, and before all the smart ass remarks about 4 strokes vs 2 strokes that's not what I'm saying. The 450 is an open class bike and they had to change the tracks or environment that they are being raced. Now we have SX tracks that are tamed down from he 80s and 90s and MX tracks mimicking SX tracks such as Utah and Elsinore!
200 4 stroke vs 125 2 stroke
350 4 stroke vs 250 2 stroke.
Open class (450) is gone.
I suggest announcing the new rules 2 seasons before they take effect, 3 if needed to design new bikes.
Then allow a 2 year transition period in pro racing and 4-5 years in amateur where the current 250 and 450 4 strokes can race with the one requirement being a rev limiter to even things out a bit.
This will lead to NEW bike sales of both 2 strokes and 4 strokes, and a whole lot of aftermarket sales as well.
It effectively corrects for the double displacement rule, that has driven the cost of racing up, and our sport can begin to recover on the amateur side.
It's a win-win solution.
Tell me how it wouldn't work.
That would really help the teams out.
Actually you don't even need a restrictor plate. They can just add a rule limiting the intake port diameter to XXmm for each class. A few years in advance of course.
The 4 vs 2 stroke debate will come down to preference and riding style.
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