What would "grow the sport?"

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I think some of the reason our sport isn't bigger is because of the danger and injury factor.what I mean is that most people think riding...
I think some of the reason our sport isn't bigger is because of the danger and injury factor.what I mean is that most people think riding a motorcycle,let alone jumping one is to dangerous for them to do and so they shut the door on the idea of trying it and don't take intrest in watching it.most people watch the sport they play or played at one time.golf is big cause every guy can go and play that "sport".they can drink beer while doing it.our sport is dangerous,physically demanding and expensive which in turn is going to appeal to a small group.i like that it isn't huge.it has grown alot since the early 90's.when I was in middle school I was one of the 3 kids wearing a fox shirt and now every bro in socal is covered in mulisha ,rockstar and monster mx related clothing.i don't want it to grow much more but instead find a healthy medium where all involved in the brotherhood of mx as it sits can be happy
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That's definitely a factor too. I think in the early days of dirt bikes, people viewed them as a novelty or "toys" to be played with...
That's definitely a factor too. I think in the early days of dirt bikes, people viewed them as a novelty or "toys" to be played with. 40+ years later, everyone knows someone who's busted himself up on a dirt scooter. The word is out that it's a dangerous pastime.

The outrageousness of modern day medical bills is a deterrent as well.
ski jumps vs Larocco's leap
for example GH rem track is within anyone's reach however, most modern tracks are too technical for the average / vet rider IMO

this looks safe to me oldschool ski jumps, vet motocoss in Holland

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7/7/2013 1:26pm
Boxermann wrote:
I think some of the reason our sport isn't bigger is because of the danger and injury factor.what I mean is that most people think riding...
I think some of the reason our sport isn't bigger is because of the danger and injury factor.what I mean is that most people think riding a motorcycle,let alone jumping one is to dangerous for them to do and so they shut the door on the idea of trying it and don't take intrest in watching it.most people watch the sport they play or played at one time.golf is big cause every guy can go and play that "sport".they can drink beer while doing it.our sport is dangerous,physically demanding and expensive which in turn is going to appeal to a small group.i like that it isn't huge.it has grown alot since the early 90's.when I was in middle school I was one of the 3 kids wearing a fox shirt and now every bro in socal is covered in mulisha ,rockstar and monster mx related clothing.i don't want it to grow much more but instead find a healthy medium where all involved in the brotherhood of mx as it sits can be happy
Toste wrote:
That's definitely a factor too. I think in the early days of dirt bikes, people viewed them as a novelty or "toys" to be played with...
That's definitely a factor too. I think in the early days of dirt bikes, people viewed them as a novelty or "toys" to be played with. 40+ years later, everyone knows someone who's busted himself up on a dirt scooter. The word is out that it's a dangerous pastime.

The outrageousness of modern day medical bills is a deterrent as well.
steed 2.0 wrote:
ski jumps vs Larocco's leap for example GH rem track is within anyone's reach however, most modern tracks are too technical for the average / vet...
ski jumps vs Larocco's leap
for example GH rem track is within anyone's reach however, most modern tracks are too technical for the average / vet rider IMO

this looks safe to me oldschool ski jumps, vet motocoss in Holland

Not a huge fan if jump riddled tracks.i like high speed challenging terrain with hills and off cambers.makes me wanna ride just talkin about it!!! Lol
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7/15/2013 12:45am
1) Change the format to only one points-paying race on the day
2) Instead of running a race for a set number of minutes, use a more friendly lap/# system: 10, 20, or 25 laps per race
3) Hold the new races in football and baseball stadiums for easy mass spectating

LOL J/K I'M SUCH A SILLY BITCH

Here's the real answer: TREY CANARD.

Bubba is a great personality. Dungey is a model competitor. Villopoto is an incredible comeback story.

Trey Canard is all three, plus Jesus (and he's well-spoken). Comb his hair, put a little suit on him, push him onstage with Dave or Jay or Conan, and let him work his magic. Bring crash footage. Say what channel the race is on. Done.

They should've done this before sx this year. Total whiff.
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7/15/2013 1:05am
normally id say..end 4-strokes, bring back 2-strokes..blalblal

honestly...what will grow the sport is MORE PLACES TO RIDE..tracks, trails, OHV areas..etc

i love riding mx tracks, its pretty much all i do but growing up i spent alot of time riding trails, pits, whatever...


more places to ride that are legal = growth for the sport
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7/15/2013 3:00am
You can wank on about what is needed to make The sport grow as much as you want but at the end of the day, it's dying. Plain and simple. The less places to ride, the higher the cost to buy a bike let a loan maintain and ride it, the price of rocking up and watching it live/parking/drinks/food not to mention the shity tv coverage. Well, between you and me, how the F@:k is it going to grow. It's not rocket science, something's HAVE to change and fast. It's a no brainier.
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7/15/2013 7:08am
Growing the sport vs growing pro race events. One needs the other more. The question is which one?
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7/15/2013 7:35am Edited Date/Time 7/15/2013 7:43am
Has anyone here read "freakonomics"?

The author has an intersting theory and I think it applies to this topic. The gist of it is that the heart of many changes we see in the world is the result of the majority of our population moving out of rural areas an into the cities.

Millions have moved off small plots of land (10-200 acres) and into the suburbs. If five percent of those people owned bikes they rode in their pastures and then chose to see how they rode compared to others, that would equal a lot of racers and a lot of bike sales.
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7/15/2013 10:22am
You can't sell even $500 bikes if there's no place for new participants (growth is new people) to ride easily and conveniently.
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7/15/2013 12:01pm
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It'd help if it wasn't so fuckin expensive....
This!
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7/15/2013 12:07pm
motogrady wrote:
I know years ago, when there was camping for 2 or 3 days, it was more like a festival, or outdoor rock concert, and people that...
I know years ago, when there was camping for 2 or 3 days,
it was more like a festival, or outdoor rock concert,
and people that wern't die hards like here, would go just for that.

I mean, it was a party, all weekend long.

Now, it's in and out in a few hours, almost like going to a movie.

Unless yer a moto junkie like us, is it worth 40 bucks to hit a National and maybe bring a few friends along?
steed 2.0 wrote:
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attendance 150k

$40 is a bargain for this fun time.
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7/15/2013 12:18pm
Not to beat a dead horse, but I think another rule change would revive the sport BIG time.
1. Bring back the 125 class.
2. 250 two strokes in the 250 class.
3. Open class = any CC.
CC for CC rule is in effect in amateur already and nobody is crying about bike differences are they?

Lap times of 250F's and 450F's are so close, yet people say 250 two strokes are too powerful or have an advantage over 250 four strokes. Just think of seeing pro riders mixing it up between 2 strokes and 4 strokes. Heck, maybe even riding 2 strokes on one track and 4 strokes on another track. The rich kids will get their daddy's to buy them 2 different bikes to be like the pros, and the people on limited budgets will stick with one bike, and adapt to it without blowing their budget.

This would bring in more privateers, and more incentive for those with the potential but lacking the funding to be a great racer.

I also agree that bike prices and places to ride would also help the sport a lot.
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151 wrote:
Has anyone here read "freakonomics"? The author has an intersting theory and I think it applies to this topic. The gist of it is that the...
Has anyone here read "freakonomics"?

The author has an intersting theory and I think it applies to this topic. The gist of it is that the heart of many changes we see in the world is the result of the majority of our population moving out of rural areas an into the cities.

Millions have moved off small plots of land (10-200 acres) and into the suburbs. If five percent of those people owned bikes they rode in their pastures and then chose to see how they rode compared to others, that would equal a lot of racers and a lot of bike sales.
yup..this is one as well. good post!
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7/15/2013 3:34pm
Outsider wrote:
Two words...

"Electric Bikes"
daveoevo wrote:
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Perhaps electric bikes (read quite) would open up some riding areas that today are closed to conventional off road bikes.

As an old guy (50) I never thought I would say electric bikes would be part of any racing mix but.........maybe ??

I am happy to see any riding and racing that draws new folks into the sport.
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7/15/2013 3:52pm
Holigan wrote:
No, I am saying that a major series sponsor can help the sport to grow. Winston took NASCAR from niche sport to the level of other...
No, I am saying that a major series sponsor can help the sport to grow. Winston took NASCAR from niche sport to the level of other professional sports.

It would be great to have sponsors that could support MX on television on a good network live every week by purchasing commercial time from the network. I believe the best series sponsor would be a major retailer. They could use their locations for ticket sales and pit passes, hang posters in their locations, run special promotions, etc. Plus retailers can lean on their vendors to fund the program.
If the question was asked purely from the Pro racing perspective and not overall participation in "the sport" you are correct. The trouble is finding a company with a deep enough pocketbook and the long term vision to commit to a program.........that I suppose is the holy grail.

Although I was not involved in motorsports (other than riding) at that time, I believe Winston saw tobbaco was being pushed out of many forms of marketing and they had money to spend and could direct the sport before any other tobbaco companies could jump in. Along came the auto companies with large baskets of money and away you go. Maybe a simplistic explanation of something that was far more complex but not far off.

So who is around today with a deep well full of money, a need to market their product and a great long term vision....??? Sounds like a perfect date.

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