Observation's....Dungey's KTM

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7/10/2013 7:07pm
Didn't mitch lose a bike this weekend also , it happens.
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If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up?

Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the way back to the pits?
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Rizzo wrote:
So he supports a theory with opinions of factory mechanics and that's a problem for you? Should he claim his opinions as fact and puff his...
So he supports a theory with opinions of factory mechanics and that's a problem for you? Should he claim his opinions as fact and puff his chest since he was a factory mechanic? What else should Matthes have uncovered for you? So you're saying you could walk into the KTM pits and get more insight from the team than what Matthes has? Feel free to get you're notebook and recorder out and post it up since you think you can do better.
Ha ha ha.....don't get your panties in a bunch sweetheart!

Pretty sure Matthes has been puffing his chest about being a factory mechanic for years now, you don't agree?

I would learn more about each bike if I were a moto journalist. If Steve is in the mood he might support the fact I know more than average about a few factory bikes.
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Why are you so delighted to think you've got a chance to show up Matthes?

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Why are you so delighted to think you've got a chance to show up Matthes?
I saw him drop a shock bolt in the dirt then wipe it off on his shirt and put it back in a bike Timmy was riding......changed my perspective forever man!
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yosmithy wrote:
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up? Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the...
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up?

Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the way back to the pits?
How many people here know what an electrical relay is? Anyone?
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yosmithy wrote:
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up? Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the...
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up?

Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the way back to the pits?
activeMX wrote:
How many people here know what an electrical relay is? Anyone?
I know what a relay is. I also know why they put insulation on the copper wire. To keep the smoke in!
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7/10/2013 9:06pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2013 9:07pm
Why are you so delighted to think you've got a chance to show up Matthes?
activeMX wrote:
I saw him drop a shock bolt in the dirt then wipe it off on his shirt and put it back in a bike Timmy was...
I saw him drop a shock bolt in the dirt then wipe it off on his shirt and put it back in a bike Timmy was riding......changed my perspective forever man!
Gotta be more than that, which had to have happened like ten years ago, if you're this gleeful and desperate enough to glom onto as thin a reed as this to go give him his "comeuppance."

Nothing quite like some thinking he's clever with a gotcha, but pretty much not accomplishing it, and showing himself up as a dick in the process.
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I know what a relay is. I also know why they put insulation on the copper wire. To keep the smoke in!
Who told you that?

Wire is insulated to keep the electrons from going somewhere other than intended. Electricity will short-circuit the fastest way to ground.
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It's a joke. You've never heard that one? I've let the smoke out of a few wires. Let's just say that automotive electrical work is not my specialty.Wink
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Gotta be more than that, which had to have happened like ten years ago, if you're this gleeful and desperate enough to glom onto as thin...
Gotta be more than that, which had to have happened like ten years ago, if you're this gleeful and desperate enough to glom onto as thin a reed as this to go give him his "comeuppance."

Nothing quite like some thinking he's clever with a gotcha, but pretty much not accomplishing it, and showing himself up as a dick in the process.
Someone else has their panties in a bunch tonight!

As I recall it was the year 2010 and using my hands to do the math that = 3 years? http://www.pulpmx.com/sites/default/files/u3/ferry-1.jpg
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So Steve was wrenching for Ferry in 2010. Okay.

My panties aren't in a bunch. Not even close. But something more than a guy dropping a shock wedged yours in your crack, for sure. I mean, hell yes, 10 or three years ago, that'd be a real burden to nurse that wound all that time.

But you got him for sure this time, cowboy, way to persevere until until just the right moment came for you to unleash your full brilliance on Matthes here. Blink
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So Steve was wrenching for Ferry in 2010. Okay. My panties aren't in a bunch. Not even close. But something more than a guy dropping a...
So Steve was wrenching for Ferry in 2010. Okay.

My panties aren't in a bunch. Not even close. But something more than a guy dropping a shock wedged yours in your crack, for sure. I mean, hell yes, 10 or three years ago, that'd be a real burden to nurse that wound all that time.

But you got him for sure this time, cowboy, way to persevere until until just the right moment came for you to unleash your full brilliance on Matthes here. Blink
Hey old man, I was trying to bring to light the fact there is little in the way of true mechanical knowledge by any journalist in this sport.

It's easy to elude to the bike "flooding" because another team said it's possible or "electric start giveth, then taketh away" rather than consider how that bike truly operates. YOU are taking the fact I point this out as an attack on Steve when it wasn't necessarily. I know for a fact Swap is afraid to take the valve cover off a bike and Jody....I'll just say he gave me the strong impression he was smarter than anyone who ever read his magazine....and he's not.

The discussion I was attempting to start was based around how does Dungey's electrical system really operates and what may have lead to his inability to restart the bike AND why our journalist don't delve into mechanics further.
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7/10/2013 10:47pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2013 10:52pm
No, you were shitting on Matthes. Not every crescent wrench wielding journalist. But I guess you are now. Who cares whether they are good with a wrench?

That's an axe grinding thread you started, not an educational bit on KTM electrics. It's pretty clear from your tone the electrics were just the excuse to launch into it. I was just curious why. But at least we know you're bitter at all journalists or reporters covering mechanical issues, not just Matthes.

Old man, there's a rip. Okay junior.

By the way, it's "allude."
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7/10/2013 10:57pm
activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
I would be surprised if they went total loss to save weight.
1.The additional battery capacity required to run an injection pump for a moto would more then offset the weight from the rectifier and charge coil.
2. if you have a charging system and the the battery begins to fail (not unheard of with LiPo packs) and the charge system can pick up the slack.
3. Most teams add weight to the flywheel on the 450's. removing the charge magnets would make for an even lighter flywheel.
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7/10/2013 11:04pm
newmann wrote:
I know what a relay is. I also know why they put insulation on the copper wire. To keep the smoke in!
activeMX wrote:
Who told you that?

Wire is insulated to keep the electrons from going somewhere other than intended. Electricity will short-circuit the fastest way to ground.
Oops! way not to get an obvious yoke.
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Who would've thought that will all the succes that the KTM team has had in the US has had the last few years only one mechanical...
Who would've thought that will all the succes that the KTM team has had in the US has had the last few years only one mechanical dnf is enough to say that the bikes sucks.
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its 2 DNF's this year already, one of them the air shock failure was in a heat race so did not cost him any points when...
its 2 DNF's this year already, one of them the air shock failure was in a heat race so did not cost him any points

when was the last time you saw RV have to push his bike off the track?
Rv hasnt had much troubles from his bike. But are you only comparing rv and dungey? Josh Hill the same race. Hasnt Stwarts rmz quit a few times? Hanhs honda Twice at southwick. Reed Short and Metty at southwick. Stewarts kxf at southwick. Malcoms honda at hangtown. Just a few that I remeber. I can go on forever. But its not a fair comparisation when you try to get as much power as possible out of an engine that iant supposed to run more than a couple of hours before its rebuilt.
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I know weight is a big thing but I don't think I could race a bike with no kick-starter even if I NEVER saw an electric...
I know weight is a big thing but I don't think I could race a bike with no kick-starter even if I NEVER saw an electric start fail.
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bro, i went trail riding the other day on my XC with electric start and kick-starter. i settled down after 40 minutes of riding to skull...
bro, i went trail riding the other day on my XC with electric start and kick-starter. i settled down after 40 minutes of riding to skull a coors light. upon getting ready to take off, my electric starter wouldn't even click or turn the motor over, it worked flawlessly just 40 minutes earlier. so i had to kick it, no big deal, started right up and i took off. after 20 more minutes, pulled over to shotgun another coors, but this time the electric start worked first try and never gave me fits again.

still would never trade in my kick-start though, or my cooler/camelback which holds a 12pack
The best thing to do with them is get the starter motor cleaned out of all the grease and stuff that is left over from the factory then fit the bigger battery ( winter battery) works every time all the time. My Ktm dealer did mine for me
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Rizzo wrote:
So he supports a theory with opinions of factory mechanics and that's a problem for you? Should he claim his opinions as fact and puff his...
So he supports a theory with opinions of factory mechanics and that's a problem for you? Should he claim his opinions as fact and puff his chest since he was a factory mechanic? What else should Matthes have uncovered for you? So you're saying you could walk into the KTM pits and get more insight from the team than what Matthes has? Feel free to get you're notebook and recorder out and post it up since you think you can do better.
activeMX wrote:
Ha ha ha.....don't get your panties in a bunch sweetheart! Pretty sure Matthes has been puffing his chest about being a factory mechanic for years now...
Ha ha ha.....don't get your panties in a bunch sweetheart!

Pretty sure Matthes has been puffing his chest about being a factory mechanic for years now, you don't agree?

I would learn more about each bike if I were a moto journalist. If Steve is in the mood he might support the fact I know more than average about a few factory bikes.
I disagree completely, he's not puffing his chest. He talks about his experiences and memories of being a mechanic, especially on the road in a box van, but he's never put himself on a soap box or even on the same page as some of the well known wrench's that have run the circuit. No different than Watson or Berlutti telling stories on the show of the same stuff. So what, he dropped a shock bolt in the dirt and lost your respect forever, what a tragic loss. I know of a piston he put in backwards and spent an entire morning wondering why the bike wouldn't start....so what.
Why should Steve be "in the mood" to support what you know, it sounds like you want your ego stroked or that you desire to be relevant in this sport. If you were a moto journalist.....blah blah blah, here's the thing, you're NOT. Put up or shut up and if you're so great and could better, go do it. And talk about chest thumping, Swap and I this, me and Jody that.....is that thumping or slurping? How many people read your column each week?
7/11/2013 1:49am Edited Date/Time 7/11/2013 1:50am
Freddy wrote:
Rv hasnt had much troubles from his bike. But are you only comparing rv and dungey? Josh Hill the same race. Hasnt Stwarts rmz quit a...
Rv hasnt had much troubles from his bike. But are you only comparing rv and dungey? Josh Hill the same race. Hasnt Stwarts rmz quit a few times? Hanhs honda Twice at southwick. Reed Short and Metty at southwick. Stewarts kxf at southwick. Malcoms honda at hangtown. Just a few that I remeber. I can go on forever. But its not a fair comparisation when you try to get as much power as possible out of an engine that iant supposed to run more than a couple of hours before its rebuilt.
it was more a comment at how strong the Kawasaki Factory 450 Programme has been, even Mitch had some issues with his 450 last year with Tickle having some DNF's,

people are going back to 2007 for the last time a factory kawasaki 450 blew up,
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it was more a comment at how strong the Kawasaki Factory 450 Programme has been, even Mitch had some issues with his 450 last year with...
it was more a comment at how strong the Kawasaki Factory 450 Programme has been, even Mitch had some issues with his 450 last year with Tickle having some DNF's,

people are going back to 2007 for the last time a factory kawasaki 450 blew up,
Oh ok. Yeah you are right about that. I dont recall Villopoto having a mechanical ever actually.
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yosmithy wrote:
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up? Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the...
If we're to believe Roger D. He mention when they brought the bike back in, it fired right up?

Did the battery spontaneously recharge on the way back to the pits?
activeMX wrote:
How many people here know what an electrical relay is? Anyone?
newmann wrote:
I know what a relay is. I also know why they put insulation on the copper wire. To keep the smoke in!
J-Law must have been his mechanic and 'let the smoke out', if you know what I mean. I think the black electrical tape failed to try and cover it up!
Insert SARCASM here, for those of you who aren't adept at getting jokes.
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It's a joke. You've never heard that one? I've let the smoke out of a few wires. Let's just say that automotive electrical work is not...
It's a joke. You've never heard that one? I've let the smoke out of a few wires. Let's just say that automotive electrical work is not my specialty.Wink
Obviously you don't understand the physics of and ice cream sandwich
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Xsenter wrote:
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
newmann wrote:
Sure has been a whole lot of bad quality jap bikes this year as well.....as always! Wink
Need to get some dago bikes out there.
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newmann wrote:
It's a joke. You've never heard that one? I've let the smoke out of a few wires. Let's just say that automotive electrical work is not...
It's a joke. You've never heard that one? I've let the smoke out of a few wires. Let's just say that automotive electrical work is not my specialty.Wink
yosmithy wrote:
Obviously you don't understand the physics of and ice cream sandwich
Or jelly toast on a cats back.

https://youtu.be/mB5nztzXo24
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I disagree completely, he's not puffing his chest. He talks about his experiences and memories of being a mechanic, especially on the road in a box...
I disagree completely, he's not puffing his chest. He talks about his experiences and memories of being a mechanic, especially on the road in a box van, but he's never put himself on a soap box or even on the same page as some of the well known wrench's that have run the circuit. No different than Watson or Berlutti telling stories on the show of the same stuff. So what, he dropped a shock bolt in the dirt and lost your respect forever, what a tragic loss. I know of a piston he put in backwards and spent an entire morning wondering why the bike wouldn't start....so what.
Why should Steve be "in the mood" to support what you know, it sounds like you want your ego stroked or that you desire to be relevant in this sport. If you were a moto journalist.....blah blah blah, here's the thing, you're NOT. Put up or shut up and if you're so great and could better, go do it. And talk about chest thumping, Swap and I this, me and Jody that.....is that thumping or slurping? How many people read your column each week?
Nobody but me reads my column each, kinda sad really : (

FYI, I was kidding about the shock bolt. Don't get me wrong, it happened but I lost respect for Matthes at a later date ; )

It's actually our internal mantra to "do better" where I work so thanks for the reinforcement. You may find yourself enjoying some of the products you've encouraged me to do better on in the next few years.
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded.


How did the bike re-start in the pits if the battery was drained? If you're going to be a dick about something, it would help to also be right.
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in rogers world its always the riders fault and never the bike .
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[i]Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. [/i] How did the bike re-start...
Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded.


How did the bike re-start in the pits if the battery was drained? If you're going to be a dick about something, it would help to also be right.
I said it was more likely, not that it was the cause. There's also the chance a relay was going bad, a lead was grounding etc. etc.

That could explain why no go for Ryan but worked back in the pits.

Heck, there's a relay that sits in the air box that can be changed in seconds explaining why one observer saw the mechanics pull the seat fiddle with something then restart the bike.

I COULD be right about this.
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[i]Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. [/i] How did the bike re-start...
Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded.


How did the bike re-start in the pits if the battery was drained? If you're going to be a dick about something, it would help to also be right.
activeMX wrote:
I said it was more likely, not that it was the cause. There's also the chance a relay was going bad, a lead was grounding etc...
I said it was more likely, not that it was the cause. There's also the chance a relay was going bad, a lead was grounding etc. etc.

That could explain why no go for Ryan but worked back in the pits.

Heck, there's a relay that sits in the air box that can be changed in seconds explaining why one observer saw the mechanics pull the seat fiddle with something then restart the bike.

I COULD be right about this.
Okay, but what does any of that have to do with a total loss electrical system?

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