Observation's....Dungey's KTM

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Edited Date/Time 7/11/2013 1:11pm
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
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Xsenter 7/10/2013 12:53pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
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The way these guys wring the necks off of their bikes a mechanical once in a while isnt a huge calamity.
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Yes I mean Ktm suck bad how many dnfs have they had compared to the jap bikes. Hondas blow up every 5 mins when the going gets toughs
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i overheated my 2-stroke climbing 2500 vertical feet in about 25 minutes... fuckin' KTM

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RV wadded up his Kawasaki two years ago at Red Bud, then proceeded to cut through the pack like Chuck Norris- sans muffler and all- to salvage precious championship points.
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On the podium at Red Bud:

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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Is the benefit of the total loss system worth the weight saving? Read some place too that it has some minor effect on RPM response time. Am I getting this right?
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Xsenter wrote:
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
Who would've thought that will all the succes that the KTM team has had in the US has had the last few years only one mechanical dnf is enough to say that the bikes sucks.
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Red Bull KTM runs a light weight small battery, and they got rid of the re-charging system to save weight. But I don't think the bike wouldn't start because the battery was dead, because Decostersaid when they brought the bike back to the pits he got it to start. I think they said it was loose wiring, or losse connection.
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activeMX 7/10/2013 1:29pm
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Xsenter wrote:
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
I'm speaking more to the lack of journalistic investigation and mechanical knowledge than your perceived quality of KTM.
queen of spodes 7/10/2013 1:38pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Vindicated, bitches. Silly

3rd post down http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Red-Bud-Bench-Racing-Disc…
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HenryA 7/10/2013 2:08pm
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Xsenter wrote:
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
Just like Will Hahns Geico Honda was flawless at southwick, right?! Huh
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newmann 7/10/2013 2:15pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Xsenter wrote:
Who cares !

He didn't finish !

Ktm still suffering with bad quality as they always have been !
Sure has been a whole lot of bad quality jap bikes this year as well.....as always! Wink
scott_nz 7/10/2013 2:27pm
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Freddy wrote:
Who would've thought that will all the succes that the KTM team has had in the US has had the last few years only one mechanical...
Who would've thought that will all the succes that the KTM team has had in the US has had the last few years only one mechanical dnf is enough to say that the bikes sucks.
its 2 DNF's this year already, one of them the air shock failure was in a heat race so did not cost him any points

when was the last time you saw RV have to push his bike off the track?
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Kawi blew a motor on JS7 when they first released the 4banger.... come on with this shi* conversations. Dungey's RM electrical went. etc. etc. etc...

The first years are always where they work the kinks out of any manufacturing.
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Matthes 7/10/2013 2:33pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
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rallendude 7/10/2013 2:37pm
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I know weight is a big thing but I don't think I could race a bike with no kick-starter even if I NEVER saw an electric start fail.
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activeMX 7/10/2013 2:45pm
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Matthes wrote:
Here's what I said: [i]As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I...
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
Yeah, you and I both know KTM is well aware what caused the issue......plus you really should know more about factory bikes. Didn't you work at a dealership at some point or something?

Imagine you're running a blog on the cheeseburger industry and In 'N Out suddenly has a problem with the taste of their beef patties....you'd damn sure get to the bottom of that! ; )

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GoonSquad250x 7/10/2013 2:45pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Matthes wrote:
Here's what I said: [i]As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I...
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
Sounds to me like you got the best answers anyone could get...
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Matthes wrote:
Here's what I said: [i]As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I...
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
OOOOOH, Snap!!!
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Shit happens, things break. Didn't he fall down, and prolly this happened because of the crash? It's not a bullet proof tank they ride.
I know for sure I will not question any other brand, this happens all the time. Mookies CRF450 broke down recently as well, shit happens despite teams being on higher budgets. Part of the equation.
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rallendude wrote:
I know weight is a big thing but I don't think I could race a bike with no kick-starter even if I NEVER saw an electric...
I know weight is a big thing but I don't think I could race a bike with no kick-starter even if I NEVER saw an electric start fail.
bro, i went trail riding the other day on my XC with electric start and kick-starter. i settled down after 40 minutes of riding to skull a coors light. upon getting ready to take off, my electric starter wouldn't even click or turn the motor over, it worked flawlessly just 40 minutes earlier. so i had to kick it, no big deal, started right up and i took off. after 20 more minutes, pulled over to shotgun another coors, but this time the electric start worked first try and never gave me fits again.

still would never trade in my kick-start though, or my cooler/camelback which holds a 12pack
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newmann 7/10/2013 3:27pm
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Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL There was still fuel in the tank from what I remember several people commenting on it at the time so the fuel had to have boiled, right? Never mind how high in the tank the fuel pump pickup is, right? Nah, couldn't have been something so simple and obvious.....better blame the fuel company who had the same fuel in half the bikes on the track in the Texas heat. Yeah, the fuel boiled....LMAO.
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newmann wrote:
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL...
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL There was still fuel in the tank from what I remember several people commenting on it at the time so the fuel had to have boiled, right? Never mind how high in the tank the fuel pump pickup is, right? Nah, couldn't have been something so simple and obvious.....better blame the fuel company who had the same fuel in half the bikes on the track in the Texas heat. Yeah, the fuel boiled....LMAO.
Yeah, shit happens, we have seen all colors go to shit. The poster of this thread is curious though, nothing wrong with that, and the intent was not to blame KTM, others use this to fit their agenda of course. The link less/clueless people newer died it seems.

I remember watching both Reed, and Metcalfe Hondas go dead at the Wick 2011? One electrical(?), the other run out of gas. Again shit happens...

Is it possible to make this a two stroke vs four stroke thread? I don't remember seeing EFI, electrical starts being the reason for DNFs? I feel damn appealed to voice this, better give it some rest! LMAO! People, ignore this last sentence...
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Anything FI will flood.If the injector is dumping fuel in the cyl but you have a week or intermittent spark,you have a flooded engine.
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newmann wrote:
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL...
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL There was still fuel in the tank from what I remember several people commenting on it at the time so the fuel had to have boiled, right? Never mind how high in the tank the fuel pump pickup is, right? Nah, couldn't have been something so simple and obvious.....better blame the fuel company who had the same fuel in half the bikes on the track in the Texas heat. Yeah, the fuel boiled....LMAO.
When fuel boils it dissipates...so you are saying that his bike just had to small of a tank in TX....
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englishman 7/10/2013 5:34pm
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activeMX wrote:
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates...
I like how Matthes "investigated" whether or not an EFI motor can be flooded but didn't learn or have the knowledge already that Dungey's bike operates with a "total loss" electrical system. Much more likely there was an issue with the battery being drained while attempting to restart then simply being flooded. This isn't at all the same system that comes on a production KTM.
Matthes wrote:
Here's what I said: [i]As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I...
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
If Tim Ferry were a journo he'd have got to the bottom of it.

We all know it.
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newmann 7/10/2013 6:06pm
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newmann wrote:
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL...
Back when Dungey's bike supposedly "boiled" the fuel but the following week they showed up with an oversized tank? Oh wait, that was a Suzuki! LOL There was still fuel in the tank from what I remember several people commenting on it at the time so the fuel had to have boiled, right? Never mind how high in the tank the fuel pump pickup is, right? Nah, couldn't have been something so simple and obvious.....better blame the fuel company who had the same fuel in half the bikes on the track in the Texas heat. Yeah, the fuel boiled....LMAO.
DonM wrote:
When fuel boils it dissipates...so you are saying that his bike just had to small of a tank in TX....
I would take that bet for a dollar. Metcalfes bike ran out on the way back to the pits it was reported.
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Matthes wrote:
Here's what I said: [i]As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I...
Here's what I said:

As I said, Dungey had a bad day. First moto he stalled his bike and then, in talking to some mechanics I know, probably flooded it (opinions were split on whether or not you can flood an EFI bike, but two people at the highest levels on factory teams told me that yes, you can) and the KTM wouldn’t fire back up. Then he probably killed the battery (they’re pretty small on those bikes) because he eventually tried to bump-start it.

So yeah, you're saying that he drained the battery and I said he drained the battery. I took it a step further and started wondering why the bike wouldn't fire (which caused the drained battery) and you're not happy with with my "investigative" skills?
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Yeah, you and I both know KTM is well aware what caused the issue......plus you really should know more about factory bikes. Didn't you work at...
Yeah, you and I both know KTM is well aware what caused the issue......plus you really should know more about factory bikes. Didn't you work at a dealership at some point or something?

Imagine you're running a blog on the cheeseburger industry and In 'N Out suddenly has a problem with the taste of their beef patties....you'd damn sure get to the bottom of that! ; )
So he supports a theory with opinions of factory mechanics and that's a problem for you? Should he claim his opinions as fact and puff his chest since he was a factory mechanic? What else should Matthes have uncovered for you? So you're saying you could walk into the KTM pits and get more insight from the team than what Matthes has? Feel free to get you're notebook and recorder out and post it up since you think you can do better.
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Zesiger 112 wrote:
Red Bull KTM runs a light weight small battery, and they got rid of the re-charging system to save weight. But I don't think the bike...
Red Bull KTM runs a light weight small battery, and they got rid of the re-charging system to save weight. But I don't think the bike wouldn't start because the battery was dead, because Decostersaid when they brought the bike back to the pits he got it to start. I think they said it was loose wiring, or losse connection.
This is it.

I was right there in front of Dungeys pit when they brought the bike in.
They popped the seat off and worked on whatever for like a minute and hit
The start button and it fired right up so the battery was not dead.

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