Soooo... about Tomac

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Edited Date/Time 6/19/2013 9:54pm
How do you guys think he'll do next yeat on the RCH Suzuki? Sounds like you can pretty much put a "stamp it" on that deal since Matthes had this to say about him next year.

Matthes: I did not spray any pump over the field but I grant you that I threw out a few names. But the name I threw out three times and stated he'd be a factor in American motocross in the next five years (IE: the post Villopoto years) was Eli Tomac. I, like Weege, will take Tomac as he presently lives in Gnarly-Town and will just be gnarlier from here on out. His 450 ride for next year has been widely speculated as a move to the RCH Suzuki team

I think he'll do just as well as Barcia this year, consistent top 5's with podiums and possible wins indoor or out. Suzuki will be sitting pretty with a future champion for years to come.
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If true, huge pick up by Zook and RCH. Amesome to see Las Vegas local Hart and GOAT RC have a bonafide title contender. I think Tomac is stronger than Barcia and will do better outdoors initially.
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A bit inconsistent isn't he?
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Xeno 6/18/2013 8:23pm
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Are we sure that Yamaha isn't going to the ATM to get Tomac?
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Damn, faced with hard evidence like that, i'm surprised it hasn't been triple-stamped already...
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So the next 5 years are the post-Villopoto years? Bout time Villopoto hung up his boots, his best years are WAY behind him.
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IMO Tomac deserves better than an RCH ride. He is a title contender, and RCH has not proven worthy a championship just yet. (Yes, I know they haven`t had any good riders, but the team has not proved they can deliver either.)
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IMO Tomac deserves better than an RCH ride. He is a title contender, and RCH has not proven worthy a championship just yet. (Yes, I know...
IMO Tomac deserves better than an RCH ride. He is a title contender, and RCH has not proven worthy a championship just yet. (Yes, I know they haven`t had any good riders, but the team has not proved they can deliver either.)
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full blown factory bike next year...how does it get much better than that?

Also...he would be mentored, helped, and developed under the GOAT....yeah, RCH is definitely not worthy of a championship contender with that package???
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Sully22 wrote:
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full...
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full blown factory bike next year...how does it get much better than that?

Also...he would be mentored, helped, and developed under the GOAT....yeah, RCH is definitely not worthy of a championship contender with that package???
Former riders/professional athletes don't always make good coaches. Good example is Wayne Gretzky. I'm not saying the guys at RCH aren't good mentors, but just because you have the "names" doesn't mean they can make a winning team. The training tactics that Ricky used, may not work as well for Tomac. He may require a different style of coaching/training than Ricky used. And how long has Hart been part owner of a team and what was the most successful season they've had.

I'm just stirring the pot here and don't mean any disrespect. I'd personally like to see Tomac continue on at Geico. He knows the team and the bikes. They're proven, consistent and it seems like they have a bigger budget (big assumption here) to try new things with the bike.
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So the next 5 years are the post-Villopoto years? Bout time Villopoto hung up his boots, his best years are WAY behind him.
Hasn't RV insinuated that he plans on retiring earlier than the average successful racer? Whether that happens or not will probably depend on how much Kawasaki and Monster pony up at the end of his contract.
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Sunhouse wrote:
IMO Tomac deserves better than an RCH ride. He is a title contender, and RCH has not proven worthy a championship just yet. (Yes, I know...
IMO Tomac deserves better than an RCH ride. He is a title contender, and RCH has not proven worthy a championship just yet. (Yes, I know they haven`t had any good riders, but the team has not proved they can deliver either.)
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What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full...
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full blown factory bike next year...how does it get much better than that?

Also...he would be mentored, helped, and developed under the GOAT....yeah, RCH is definitely not worthy of a championship contender with that package???
It gets better with a more experienced crew etc. IMO. Down the road I am sure they will do better, but Tomac doesn`t have to be the guiney pig during RCH`s quest for good results. He should be on an already established factory team with the best crew/equipment. That`s just my opinion though Smile
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Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but I reccon it doesn't matter where he lands since the deals suggested (in my book) won't be the factor in any bad performance that differs much from his present up and downs. If he goes from title contender in 250f to "only" top five 450 next season, it would be crazy to blame team for that, its something to expect for people moving up? Even RC struggled when he moved up. 2015 title contender?
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slipdog 6/19/2013 6:45am
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Let's not forget that RC mentored Dungey when he turned pro with Suzuki and look how that turned out.

I think 500guy is right, Tomac on a Suzuki with RC(maybe a little help from RC's mom) will be like the Incredible Hulk next year. As far as Yamaha or Geico goes, I thought it was a given if Matthes states it. I can't remember when he's ever been wrong before.
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Sully22 wrote:
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full...
What do you mean? They just got factory Suzuki support this year. They're running the same factory equipment as js7. He would be on a full blown factory bike next year...how does it get much better than that?

Also...he would be mentored, helped, and developed under the GOAT....yeah, RCH is definitely not worthy of a championship contender with that package???
IWreckALot wrote:
Former riders/professional athletes don't always make good coaches. Good example is Wayne Gretzky. I'm not saying the guys at RCH aren't good mentors, but just because...
Former riders/professional athletes don't always make good coaches. Good example is Wayne Gretzky. I'm not saying the guys at RCH aren't good mentors, but just because you have the "names" doesn't mean they can make a winning team. The training tactics that Ricky used, may not work as well for Tomac. He may require a different style of coaching/training than Ricky used. And how long has Hart been part owner of a team and what was the most successful season they've had.

I'm just stirring the pot here and don't mean any disrespect. I'd personally like to see Tomac continue on at Geico. He knows the team and the bikes. They're proven, consistent and it seems like they have a bigger budget (big assumption here) to try new things with the bike.
I agree. Of course no one knows the future; going to RCH may work out great. But on paper he's better off staying with a proven outfit like Geico I think.
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Didn't Tickle sign a 2 year deal with RCH last year?
Talk about irony in it's finest.......Tickle edged Tomac for the West Lites SX championship just a couple years ago. Now they're going to be teammates.
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Neil_Romero 6/19/2013 7:33am
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I'm a big fan of Suzuki and I've got to be excited about Tomac possibly coming aboard. I do see Tomac a notch above Barcia EXCEPT in starts. I'm afraid unless Tomac gets his starts figured out then he's gonna have a hard time reaching his potential.

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Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but I reccon it doesn't matter where he lands since the deals suggested (in my book) won't be the factor in any bad performance that differs much from his present up and downs. If he goes from title contender in 250f to "only" top five 450 next season, it would be crazy to blame team for that, its something to expect for people moving up? Even RC struggled when he moved up. 2015 title contender?


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DrSweden Vital MX member DrSweden Posts: 6009 Joined: 8/30/2008 Location: Stockholm, SWE 2 hours ago Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but...
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Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but I reccon it doesn't matter where he lands since the deals suggested (in my book) won't be the factor in any bad performance that differs much from his present up and downs. If he goes from title contender in 250f to "only" top five 450 next season, it would be crazy to blame team for that, its something to expect for people moving up? Even RC struggled when he moved up. 2015 title contender?


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If true, huge pick up by Zook and RCH. Amesome to see Las Vegas local Hart and GOAT RC have a bonafide title contender. I think...
If true, huge pick up by Zook and RCH. Amesome to see Las Vegas local Hart and GOAT RC have a bonafide title contender. I think Tomac is stronger than Barcia and will do better outdoors initially.
after watching Barcia in supercross this season and outdoors so far, i would say that's a bold statement. he's been the best guy besides the Ryans (and Davi in sx)
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Can't be, last year Nerd said he was signed with Geico for '14 even though everyone else said he wasn't
ButteryWaffles 6/19/2013 8:26am
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There was big talk of Tomac on a 450 in SX. Sure, he rode solid races but, I don't see him being a title contender right off the bat. I would pick KROC over Tomac to grab a 450 title first. But, thats just me. And to say RCH isnt a solid team for a title is a joke, they have everything they need to win, minus the rider.
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This Guido shot me a text the other day that Dungey will also be on RCH. Fughedaboutit!
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DrSweden Vital MX member DrSweden Posts: 6009 Joined: 8/30/2008 Location: Stockholm, SWE 2 hours ago Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but...
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Still just a rumor? Strange if Geico/Honda let go though, but I reccon it doesn't matter where he lands since the deals suggested (in my book) won't be the factor in any bad performance that differs much from his present up and downs. If he goes from title contender in 250f to "only" top five 450 next season, it would be crazy to blame team for that, its something to expect for people moving up? Even RC struggled when he moved up. 2015 title contender?


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Hasn't RV insinuated that he plans on retiring earlier than the average successful racer? Whether that happens or not will probably depend on how much Kawasaki...
Hasn't RV insinuated that he plans on retiring earlier than the average successful racer? Whether that happens or not will probably depend on how much Kawasaki and Monster pony up at the end of his contract.
RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this 3 year contract and rarely rides for the rest of his life.
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IWreckALot wrote:
Hasn't RV insinuated that he plans on retiring earlier than the average successful racer? Whether that happens or not will probably depend on how much Kawasaki...
Hasn't RV insinuated that he plans on retiring earlier than the average successful racer? Whether that happens or not will probably depend on how much Kawasaki and Monster pony up at the end of his contract.
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RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this...
RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this 3 year contract and rarely rides for the rest of his life.
Which honestly, is boss as shit. As for Eli, and this comes from a current Suzuki owner, Id stay on Honda. I think Suzuki's are AMAZING bikes, maybe the best in the 450 class, but I'm not sure that RC's team is ready for a title contender.
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RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this...
RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this 3 year contract and rarely rides for the rest of his life.
part of the reason i cant stand the guy...
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Shawn142 wrote:
RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this...
RV has made it very clear his racing is the means to an end. While I have no proof I'll predict RV walks away after this 3 year contract and rarely rides for the rest of his life.
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part of the reason i cant stand the guy...
Different strokes for different folks. You can't really blame him for wanting out before he rides his body into the ground. He's already had some life changing knee injuries. If he's comfortable and doesn't need to race to live, why not go out while your on top. If he does, we will never stop seeing the "RV comeback" threads. I get the impression that he doesn't actually enjoy the racing. I could be way off base but I don't think I've ever heard him say anything about "doing it for fun" or that he's "there for the fans". You really don't get much insight to how he ticks or what motivates him. My instincts say he just does it because it pays damn good, he has an awesome God given talent and he's going to use it until he can afford to do something else.

And I just forgot this was a Tomac thread so to add to that, would Kawasaki extend an offer to Tomac so that he can take over once RV is done?
dazzlindino 6/19/2013 12:32pm
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what if tomac does not win any more races this year or the title.....what then.....

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