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Again, riders union is a solution here and if they (the riders) don't come together on this, it will never change.
It is a wonderful thing to be able to chase your dream, just don't think you can demand someone else will pay for it.
Unfortunately that IS what MX has become.... Between 'pro' riders not having insurance, then asking for hand outs when they get hurt, to riders asking for money to get to the next race....
How you can say that they haven't been hit by the economy? That is plain ignorant! Do you think surfboards fall out of the sky? Yes, it is much cheaper than mx, but there are many similarities.
Maybe you should look at how the other X sports bring in big sponsors. Afterall, there are many that cross over: Volcom, Fox, DC, to name a few. If they can do it, MX should be able to do it too. Don't let the cost of a motorcycle hold you back, your aren't paying for the motorcycle, the mechanic, etc... the riders are.
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Maybe you should get together with Huck-a-buck and you 2 can tell Nam stories and how the world owes you a favor.
They could be professionally monitored and distribute out all donations according to a set distribution schedule. The fans could throw in what they feel is fair. Say a ten percent contribution of five bucks each at an sx = 60,000 fans / 10 = 6000 times five bucks = $30,000
Just be straight with the contributors, provide accountability, and a straight forward distribution schedule.
Let me ask you....who seems more like 'the world owes you a favor'?
And "Nam stories"? What does that mean? Way to insult a generation of people that sacrificed so much...
Privateers should not have to count on handouts to survive in a series that host the best riders in the country.
There is a ton of talent out there that you will never see, because they do not have the funding. So why not have honest pay for a guy that has put in his work?
That isn't to say I don't admire the work effort of a Weston Pieck, Cole Thompson, etc. It just wouldn't do anyone any good to chase an unworkable solution.
All racers that make a main event have a role in the racing event.
Are the factory riders the bigger draw from most fans perspective?...probably yes...although outdoor MX does have more of a core fan support and I believe follow more racing(racers) rather than the casual SX fan.
Do factory guys and well salary supported riders deserve purse money? Of course they do.
So you can't just eliminate the top guys from purse money only because they have good paying contracts.
So all the racers do have importance.
The top 20 guys are probably the main highlight, and with fields getting deeper in talent that number may actually go closer to 25-30, especially in the 450 class. ..
So perhaps a percentage scale could help cover a few more expenses for the NON-salaried riders racing.
Example: 70% of the purse gets divided equally from 1-20 place....25% of the purse gets paid evenly to 21-30th. and the remaining 5% goes to 31-40th place.
I believe the payouts are greater in the 450 class than the 250 class, so those percentages would have to be applied to each class separately.
Just a thought.
I think you might be better suited for surfing.
Elsinore is rumored to have dumped a million bucks into their place, do you think they did that, cause there is no money to be made.
Guess you know all about the Pala fiasco?
This is from 2008 , I don't think it's changed much
66,140 PURSE BREAKDOWN (purse money paid per class, per moto)
1 $1,525 21 $ 320
2. $1,075 22. $ 310
3. $ 900 23. $ 300
4. $ 705 24. $ 290
5. $ 645 25. $ 280
6. $ 615 26. $ 270
7. $ 570 27. $ 260
8. $ 555 28. $ 250
9. $ 545 29. $ 240
10. $ 520 30. $ 220
11. $ 495 31. $ 220
12. $ 445 32. $ 220
13. $ 415 33. $ 220
14. $ 405 34. $ 220
15. $ 390 35. $ 220
16. $ 380 36. $ 220
17. $ 370 37. $ 220
18. $ 360 38. $ 220
19. $ 350 39. $ 220
20. $ 330 40. $ 220
Pit Row
I already proposed what we should do in my response, if you read it.
Thunder Valley 450 Motocross Results 2013:
1. Ryan Villopoto (Kawasaki) 1-1
2. Ryan Dungey (KTM) 2-2
3. Justin Barcia (Honda) 3-4
4. Trey Canard (Honda) 4-5
5. Mike Alessi (Suzuki) 6-6
6. Clement Desalle (Suzuki) 5-7
7. James Stewart (Suzuki) 15-3
8. Tyla Rattray (Kawasaki) 7-10
9. Kevin Strijbos (Suzuki) 10-8
10. Dean Wilson (Kawasaki) 11-9
11. Malcolm Stewart (Honda) 9-11
12. Josh Grant (Yamaha) 8-18
13. Weston Peick (Suzuki) 13-14
14. Jake Weimer (Kawasaki) 16-12
15. Broc Tickle (Suzuki) 14-15
That means Desalle made 34.48 less than what he would have in 2008 and Stribos made 24.42 more.
Has MX grown over the past five years? How much? I remember Glen Helen getting 20 to 25,000 people for the Nationals and that was over five years ago. Seems the tracks are doing those same numbers today. What's different at the tracks now than five years ago? I see stadium seating, and no infield viewing areas, it looks like crap on TV. Other sports they try and get the fans as close as possible to the field or court, MX has pushed everyone away. Lots of dead spots on TV, looks like nobody shows up. You used to see people lining the fences, both sides, cheering on their rider, now we see a big hill with a lotta people sitting down.. sad face.
Live TV isn't bringing anyone in. On a Saturday afternoon in the summer, who is sticking around to watch MX? Even the die hards here say the DVR it. How many years is it gonna take before TV actually buys the product? MX has been paying to be on TV for a long time now, I would think, if the TV networks thought they could make money on it, they would of scooped it up by now. In a time where less and less people are watching TV at a set time.
TV has changed a bit, people used to plan their TV watching time when a certain show would come on, now with Netflix, the Internet, tablets, and cell phones all having TV programming, you don't have to sit around and wait for your favorite show to come on. Your show will be there when you want it. Ditch live TV, put it live on the net and just pay to have it on Sunday night. People are home on Sunday nights. With all the cable sports channels we have now, I would think someone would be interested in a Sunday night show, and mx wouldn't have to foot the entire bill.
For some reason motocross people think just because you work hard and its your passion and you have devoted your life to motocross that you are entitled to make money doing it, just because you work hard it does not mean you are good enough. There are very few who can make a living at it and they can get rich doing it and that's great. If a rider can afford to go run the nationals for a few years I say great ! go have a good time and enjoy the experience and if you are good enough the money will come to you, if not you gave it a shot.
It should be $1,000 for 40th overall, that would help solve problems for many riders. I really don't think that is asking to much for your top 40 guys.
There are interviews that Hallman and DeCoster got like $600 a week plus purse money from Edison Dye in the 60's, so we are making progress right??
What is truly pathetic, and I was lambasted for it in 2008, is that JS7 made $3050 per event ALL THROUGH 2008!!
When I question that, I was told he was making close to $150,000 per event with all his contingencies.
I was told by some on here that Nascar money that is posted includes that "CONTINGEMCY" money when posting the payout in the paper. So really, if you count JS7's contingency money, he was right up there with NASCAR.......
That blew me away!!
It never ends with these promoters and people who support them.
If some 3 digit guy on a KTM started to win, he wouldn't make enough money to do anything to put a real program together with the money he won. 12 X $3050 = $36,600, not counting signup fees. That is very sad for a world class athlete......
I also don't think you would see Rodger Goodall, the commissioner of the NFL, come on a message board and explain stuff.
Goes to show you how small this sport is and how little it has grown in the last 25 years.
Probably get called out by name again, but I don't really care.
People calling people out for not knowing how much the track or promotors are making at a national all the while arguing for a bigger purse when they have no idea themselves how much is spent and made at a race.
Very few know EXACTLY what it cost to put on a race to please EVERYBODY as much as possible. The riders, the teams, the fans, the vitards, there is a lot of money spent in a lot of different areas trying to please everyone. We can all speculate but some of the ideas and math we have seen in this thread is laughable.
I GUARANTEE you that the people in charge want nothing more than the riders to make as much as the guy who finishes last at the current PGA tour event.
Nobody will ever be completely happy. If the purse was doubled, this place would just find something else to complain about. this week it is the riders purse, last week it was the internet streaming....
Lets take bets on next week, shall we? Hmmm, it is PA so I am willing to bet that you guys will want automatic umbrellas that don't block your view of the race if it rains....
I think this arguement keeps coming up cause there never really has been an answer, just two sides going back and forth about something there is very little info about.. Shhhh, it's a secret...
Again, other sports post earnings, profit sharing, attendance, and so on, mx? Well they only post what they want you to know..
Begging for the day we get an "Outside the Lines" type of show. You ask questions in mx and you get labled a hater. I always asked questions in school, when I got a bs answer, I pushed for more answers.
I'm sure there are a few people out there with a book in them that would turn the mx world upside down. Just not the time for it yet I guess.
Can't have it both ways, can't want mainsteam,but then keep everything close to the vest. Sports just doesn't work that way.
Some people are making huge money while others are making scraps.
Like most business, the guys who actually provide the services makes the least amount of money vs the guys who manage.
A company's goal is to pay their employee's the least amount possible!
Ex.
I install tint, vinyl, and clear bra wraps on high end cars. I gross the company $2k-$4k a day yet am only paid $150.
If I don't like it, I need to start my own company. Which I have already started!
If the riders don't like it, they need to join together to fix the problem, otherwise it will stay the same forever.
1 question for DC. If you tell someone they have to pay an amount already reached ahead of time and then say its a donation? If it is and they don't pay are they skipping out on a payment on a bill. I thought a donation amount was the choice of the person making it. Am I wrong on this one? Just asking because I can.
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