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There are at least three ways to win races: You can do it like RC, and ride every lap faster than anyone else can ride one lap; you can do it like Dungey and ride fast until the last quarter of the race and slowly twist the screws on everyone else until they give up; or you can do it like Villo, and get into the middle of the race and throw in 4 warp speed laps and kill everyone else's spirit. Villo knows that if he can pull out 4 or 5 seconds, the rest of the guys will capitulate.
Distance runners do that too. Some set a very fast pace early and hang on late, some run with the pack and surge until they break everyone's will to fight back, and some wait until the last few miles and win with a kick at the end. And it's always possible to counteract any tactic - mostly by recognizing what the other guy is doing and believing in your own tactic more than fearing your competitors'.
If Dungey or Stewart are going to derail Villo, they have to recognize what he's doing, why he's doing it, and how to keep believing in their own plans. For Stewart, that means he has to ride the first 6 or 7 laps absolutely WFO and make Villos surges too little too late. The danger is that he may crash and stir up the Internet haters yet again, but that's the only way he can win. For Dungey, that means recognizing that Villos surges take a lot out of him, letting Villo get his 5 seconds, but never let him get more than that, and Dungey is going to have to start a hard, sustained charge with at least 10 minutes left, keep pushing Villo when his surges are wearing him down, and try to beat him into the ground at the end.
Stewart and Dungey can both win races, but they're going to have to keep their spirits up, keep believing in their own plans, and when Villo puts on the big surge in the middle, make him pay for it. Otherwise "There's always next year."
Distance runners do that too. Some set a very fast pace early and hang on late, some run with the pack and surge until they break everyone's will to fight back, and some wait until the last few miles and win with a kick at the end. And it's always possible to counteract any tactic - mostly by recognizing what the other guy is doing and believing in your own tactic more than fearing your competitors'.
If Dungey or Stewart are going to derail Villo, they have to recognize what he's doing, why he's doing it, and how to keep believing in their own plans. For Stewart, that means he has to ride the first 6 or 7 laps absolutely WFO and make Villos surges too little too late. The danger is that he may crash and stir up the Internet haters yet again, but that's the only way he can win. For Dungey, that means recognizing that Villos surges take a lot out of him, letting Villo get his 5 seconds, but never let him get more than that, and Dungey is going to have to start a hard, sustained charge with at least 10 minutes left, keep pushing Villo when his surges are wearing him down, and try to beat him into the ground at the end.
Stewart and Dungey can both win races, but they're going to have to keep their spirits up, keep believing in their own plans, and when Villo puts on the big surge in the middle, make him pay for it. Otherwise "There's always next year."
As he himself has more than three ways...
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just think your observations and conclusions are flawed!
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Hangtown moto 2 he was patient behind RD but eventually could not wait any longer for RD to pass Stewart, so he went by both, gapped 'em and managed the race from the lead.
Also, your summation concludes Villo only has this one middle surge in him and then he's done. Since we haven't seen that, and that is a big part of your theory on how RD can beat him, that's why I stated your conclusion is flawed.
Twenty more moto's to go... we'll see
Obviously, it's easier to see this stuff from my couch than it is to do on a bike, but it's an interesting parallel to distance running that I've seen for decades. When a guy runs his tactic on you, you gotta run your own tactic on him. If you let him break your spirit, you lose.
And besides that, Dungey has to see this as a long fight. It's not a 4 moto fight, it's a 24 moto fight. If Dungey puts his head down after a Villo surge and gets close, Villopoto will be a little more worried the next time he starts surging, and he'll start to wonder if maybe he needs to save a little for later on.
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RV, meanwhile, seems to be so fit that he could run the "sprint" pace for 30+2. Just throwing that stuff out there.
p.s., I like this thread.
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We are lucky we have Stewart and Dungey, who are also two of the best ever, to even keep him honest.
Sorry, Outsider,. I know you`re a good dude but this is hilarious. Reminds me of my dislike for R-acer.
You have no facts to back this up. Stewart doesn't even resemble his old self, Reed was beating RV a couple years ago and RC is not here to compare him to.
Dungey can go Villopotos speed, but he needs a tactical approach.
If you raced MX like a 10k race is often run where the winner runs at the back till half way mark and then uses the saved energy to go for the win when his tactic comes into play ??? Do not think that is going to be a winning tactic in MX . Sure the winner might pace himself with the leader letting him lead till he feels he can gap it ? However most of the top guys can run their fastest times all moto long ( Is why they are top pros's ) So the tactic of Hanging back and going slow on purpose is rarely seen in MX - You have to anyway only go as slow as the leader else you will not be in a position to win. Not really a desirable way to race behind the guy in front the whole moto ? Rather be in the lead no roost clean air and ride as slow as you can without being overtaken by no2 ? I am not sure if I have seen that cat and mouse stuff happen often in Pro Racing ? Club stuff maybe a bit more as it is fun to mess around - The Pro's really want to get the Job done and If you can go 30Mins full speed and no one can hang with you seems like a safe tactic - ( Do not see that often in 10k Track runners ? )
Moto is more about finding your flow than working out if your heart rate is at peak performance ?
Wait till these threads add AC into the who is fastest debate (Tony Cairoli) Then is gonna get busy in here .... Ala Moto Des Nations who is the fastest Rider on the Planet debacle .
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