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Elsinore's hybrid gnarly outdoor SX track. That way he could get lapped 3 times, and we could act like all the Euros acted after Lommel.
It's frustrating for fans because this is the only sport I can think of where the best of the best aren't constantly facing off. I guess that's why we love the Des Nations so much though. Villopoto expressed interest in doing a GP series. That'd be cool but if he does that then there'll be a Dungey runaway here.
I think Cairoli is focusing on his next big challenge in the GPs, which is Herlings. It's looking like Herlings will stay there and although I'd love to see Roczen stay here in the states, I think he'll start his 450 career in the GPs also.
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Just imagine if he showed up and got in between rv and dunge...people would be calling him GP Boy and asking that he get the hell out of the way.
If he did well...OK it's a nice feather in his cap, but he's very unlikely to ever move over full time anyway. On the other hand if he does badly (badly as in doesn't win) then everyone will say the GP riders suck because a fair few people apparently don't follow both series and thus appreciate the differences. I think I have a good idea over how he'd do, that is to say... probably top 3 behind RD and RV (just as they would be behind him in most GPs).
However, with all that said - if I were a top rider I think that I'd want to ride both at some point, very much as Desalle did, just for the experience of it all (though my opinion might differ in reality). And as a fan I can't deny it would be very exciting to watch. But the practicality of doing it correctly is very difficult.
Is he a good rider, yes. Is he the best rider in Europe(on a 450) at the moment, yes.
Lets look at TC track record at MXDN for the past seven years.
2006 TC went 10-1 and the Champion was RV in his class
2007 TC went 37-11 and the Champion was RV in his class
2008 TC was injured the Champion was RV in his class
2009 TC went 1-38 and the Champion was RD in his class
2010 TC went 2-4 and the Champion was RD in his class
2011 TC went 40-37 and the Champion was RD in his class
2012 TC went 1-1 and was the Champion That Year in his class
Seven Years of MXDN and he only Won his class once. Mind you that race he did win was held on a Sand Track and he is a great Sand Racer and we stood no Chance at all. It would have been like holding the MXDN on a Supercross Style track…Team Puerto Rico Would have finished high than TC.
Now to be fair, TC had to travel to America for the 2007 and 2010 MXDN’s and those circuits were all new to him. But on the flip side our Riders had to travel to GP Tracks, which were all new to our riders as well. We must have gotten lucky because our riders are not World Champions or we can handle the pressure of performing when we need to.
He is better off staying in Europe racing against guys who he knows he can beat most of the time and rely on Youthstream to find more Sandy Circuits to hold MXDN’s on so he can be carried off on peoples shoulders as the best ever.
AC would do fine, he would finish somewhere between 4th&8th each moto if he stays on the bike. The US Nationals are just to deep for TC to do better than fine. The pace is pushed from the beginning.
Think about it RV,RD,JS,CR,TC41,JB,DM,MA lining up on the gate this year and you expect TC to run with them. A World Champion is expected to win not do "just fine".
I'll give you a hint. I was about as serious as Tony Cairoli dropping everything and racing one AMA NAtional for no reason.
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He definitely has the speed to win in the Desalle's results with a lack of prep/other people's equipment suggest that
AC's "stats" at the MXdN are not exactly a true reflection of him,any genuine and unbiased fan will admit he's not had the best of luck there,however he proved at Lommel that he's probably the most diverse all round outdoor MX rider on the planet right now,
We can only speculate and have opinions, that is the fun of forums like this. Would I love to have TC come and Race a National or two, you bet ya. It would be great for the sport and make for great entertainment but at the end of the day TC will not venture over to America there is to much to lose.
I do not think you will see Top Americans going over to do a GP here and there because they have nothing to prove since they prove it year in and year out at MXDN's on European soil.
There are more motorcycles in Thailand than in the U.S. Why don't they win every year?
Motocross was invented in France. Why don't they win every year?
The U.S. wins because of it's amateur program. Even the Europeans will tell you that. We win the MXdN more often than not for the SAME reason we rarely produce a GP road racing champion...amateur program.
At the MXdN the USA come as a team, huge entourage and all,come,a couple of weeks before,prepare,get set up and dialed in by practicing etc as they did for Lommel last year
Motocross was not invented in France they just changed the name to be different than the Brits who get credit for the first "MX" race they were called scrambles nice try though.......
Our amateur program is the best because of what for it... All the competition we have which is directly related to the population we have a huge nation with one language and all types of terrain/weather to train on. Use common sense we have well over 300 million people vs 65 million in france we have nearly 5 times the people. So yea like I always say we should win.
"Motocross was invented in France. Why don't they win every year?"
Motocross was invented in England in 1924 when the Royal-Scot Trial did away with their "observed" and timed sections and did laps around a closed course to see who was fastest. They called the new form of racing "scrambles."
The French soon followed, but they came up with a better name: Moto-Cross
America's contribution? Supercross and Monster Girls and Vital MX! Plus we tend to win.
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Being a fan of Soccer, I see how many youth and Adults play soccer in America. We have programs that range from 4 year olds to adults offerring various levels of play and training. We have an Olympic Development Programs that is designed to pick out the youngest and most talented soccer players across the country and plug them into the US soccer Program so they can develop Americas best players.
All the money and resources we have as a country will not make us a World Cup Champion because we lack the TALENT.
But motocross we have the TALENT for some reason or another, to be the best, it has nothing to do with the size of our country. Look at MC, he was a BMX rider and decided to give MX a try and you know the rest of that storry. TALENT=SUCCESS.
Does the fact we're a big country and not the size of Cuba contribute to the talent pool? Of course it does... but if you think it's the main reason why win MXDN so much you're wrong. It's been said countless times before, but the US does not care about soccer (and thus why we don't have competitive amateur/professional leagues) and therefore we are not a big player on the world stage in that sport. If population was the main driver for success in sports why aren't we winning World Cups like we do in MXDN? I'll admit the soccer analogy is just as tired as the population excuse, but it's the best I got at the moment.
If you take a sport where interest levels are "roughly" the same among any given population, then numbers surely DO make a positive difference towards tipping things in your favour. It's hard to argue that they don't when you simply have more people participating. You can pick almost any 3 riders from your series in both the 250s and 450s, and usually at least 2 of those riders are champions and all of them are on factory machines with tremendous support.
Although it isn't what it once was, you could argue that the sport has a higher popularity in Belgium than it does anywhere else - but ultimately they are limited by size and resources. Britain, as previously pointed out, invented the sport but again... we're limited by what is logistically possible.
The sport started here in England,and indeed we were the most dominant for years,however it's simply impossible for any amateur programme here to grow into anything like how it has in the USA as we don't have the size,tracks,can't replicate the number of bikes sold,number races on any given weekend,number of riders etc
In the US,the whole massive infrastructure allows amateur riders coming through the ranks to race at a huge number of tracks/race meetings across their own country,which escalate to the big events like Lorretta's etc,which produces the cream of the crop
A similar Amateur series is taking shape in Europe right now in EMX,which spreads across a number of countries in mainland Europe to make things logistically viable,time will tell if it works out,but it gives a lot of the fast Euros a chance to come together and race each other regularly and hopefully progress
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