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brimx153 4/4/2013 2:36pm
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Coly243 wrote:
Steve Ramon credits his neck brace for keeping him walking and racing. He's a cool, calculated, intelligent 2X World Champion...Ryno's...not.
Steve Ramon ,broke his neck twice , who s to say that if he was nt wearing one he might not of broke his neck at all , i cant know for sure ,either can u , but i def see more con s than pro s with them , and i agree with , REED , RYNO , DUNGEY, SHORT , CAIROLI, RATTRAY , ETC ETC, they all use to wear them , and i bet get paid a lot of money to wear them
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Motocross crashes come with so many different variations (speed, angle, rotation etc) that there isn't a way to really proof that brace really hurts or helps...
Motocross crashes come with so many different variations (speed, angle, rotation etc) that there isn't a way to really proof that brace really hurts or helps in EVERY kind of crash. I feel like neck brace has helped me in various crashes and also my neck hasn't been so sore from crashing or over jumping stuff. There are still plenty of people who think that safety belts might hurt you by breaking a collarbone or ribs and choose not to wear it (this is really bad, prepare to be shocked if you choose to watch):
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Holy shit! Sick
That was pretty disturbing. Was that one of the arms sliding on the tarmac? You can see one guy coming spinning in the air, without one. Crazy shit. Look pretty mellow before the spinn...
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what gets me is since they have came out , i do not know one of my friends that wears one , that hasnt come back with the story only for the neck brace , while they wear a helmet wort 50$ ,buy a good helmet first anyway , least it is proven
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Torco1 4/4/2013 2:54pm
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Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure...
Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure it out!!!
I believe the conclusion is that neck braces are 96% effective....43% of the time. Personally, I believe 82% of the post in this thread are 16% bullshit. On another note, I just measured my penis and it has gotten 24% longer since January......yet sadly it has lost 75% of its girth.

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Torco1 4/4/2013 2:58pm
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MBR wrote:
Motocross crashes come with so many different variations (speed, angle, rotation etc) that there isn't a way to really proof that brace really hurts or helps...
Motocross crashes come with so many different variations (speed, angle, rotation etc) that there isn't a way to really proof that brace really hurts or helps in EVERY kind of crash. I feel like neck brace has helped me in various crashes and also my neck hasn't been so sore from crashing or over jumping stuff. There are still plenty of people who think that safety belts might hurt you by breaking a collarbone or ribs and choose not to wear it (this is really bad, prepare to be shocked if you choose to watch):
GrapeApe wrote:
Holy shit! Sick
DrSweden wrote:
That was pretty disturbing. Was that one of the arms sliding on the tarmac? You can see one guy coming spinning in the air, without one...
That was pretty disturbing. Was that one of the arms sliding on the tarmac? You can see one guy coming spinning in the air, without one. Crazy shit. Look pretty mellow before the spinn...
I'm pretty sure that guy walked away. Dry
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GrapeApe 4/4/2013 2:59pm
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bartoner wrote:
Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure...
Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure it out!!!
Go ahead and wear it, unless of course you don't think you should wear it. I think you should wear it, Ryno thinks you shouldn't. A rider who was a former single digit national racer with a top secret identity doesn't think you should wear it, so maybe you should listen to him because I only have a double digit number on my bike. My number is lower than Chad Reed's though so you should take my advice over his, which is not to wear it. Hope that clears things up, have a great ride!
vanillaice782 4/4/2013 4:28pm
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Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself. The question is standardization and regulation. If...
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself.

The question is standardization and regulation.

If an inflatable version was made, would that be considered acceptable and effective? How about styrofoam? Maybe firm rubber?

What is the standard? What is the measure of effective versus ineffective? Who decides that? How? Why is a Leatt better than an Atlas, or an Ortema or an Alpinestars? Who decides? How? By what measure?

I am not against the use of neck braces, and if someone chooses to wear one, good for them, that's fine. If I still rode, I probably would wear (or try) one.

But that doesn't address the question of standardization, testing and measuring each type against each other.

This is why people question question them, because the only data is in-house data and there is no regulation, standardization or outside data.

That isn't hard to understand, is it?
The Leatt isn't inflatable or made out of styrofoam but I guess if you wanted one and it made you feel safer you would buy it. All I'm saying is that I feel safer wearing it because I know it could potentially save my neck. I like the idea behind it. I'm not saying with 100% certainty that it would prevent me from breaking my neck but if a $700 is going to decrease my chances of a catastrophic neck injury I'm going to buy it.

The government has no interest in regulating the neck braces that motocrossers wear. Would you need a pair of motocross gloves to be approved by DOT and Snell before you wore them to ride in?

How can you not grasp the idea that if you face planted it could prevent your neck from breaking? I don't need a million dollar study to tell me that. It limits how far your neck will bend. Under the right circumstances it would prevent a neck injury.
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bartoner 4/4/2013 4:29pm
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bartoner wrote:
Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure...
Can you guys hurry up with the conclusion....I am dying to go ride, but I dont know if i should wear my brace or not....please figure it out!!!
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Go ahead and wear it, unless of course you don't think you should wear it. I think you should wear it, Ryno thinks you shouldn't. A...
Go ahead and wear it, unless of course you don't think you should wear it. I think you should wear it, Ryno thinks you shouldn't. A rider who was a former single digit national racer with a top secret identity doesn't think you should wear it, so maybe you should listen to him because I only have a double digit number on my bike. My number is lower than Chad Reed's though so you should take my advice over his, which is not to wear it. Hope that clears things up, have a great ride!
great...its settled...i am pretty sure i might not wear it....but only 50% pretty sure.....
Thomas Jefferson 4/4/2013 4:34pm
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I'm putting a roll cage and fire supression system on my CR250 as we speak.
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Whatever the case....fucking wished they were available when Magoo ate shit. It looked like that kinda crash was meant for a brace of some sort.
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BobbyM wrote:
Whatever the case....fucking wished they were available when Magoo ate shit. It looked like that kinda crash was meant for a brace of some sort.
I thinks so also.
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BobbyM wrote:
Whatever the case....fucking wished they were available when Magoo ate shit. It looked like that kinda crash was meant for a brace of some sort.
Thats exacly what I thought when the brace came out.
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BobbyM wrote:
Whatever the case....fucking wished they were available when Magoo ate shit. It looked like that kinda crash was meant for a brace of some sort.
James Marshall, too.
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Choppy 4/4/2013 7:47pm
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Chad had a friend, who had massive brain damage from a crash and got the opinion of someone whom I guess does autopsies and gave his...
Chad had a friend, who had massive brain damage from a crash and got the opinion of someone whom I guess does autopsies and gave his opinion with no data to back any of it up that I've seen.

Reed went with that from what I have gathered.

(I hear from some that another doctor said something similar and others say it was just the one)

Problem is I've never seen any of that data posted/put up anywhere. It's a "take my word for it" type thing.
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"someone whom I guess does autopsies" They are known as "doctors". So a trained medical doctor does an autopsy on Andrew MacFarlane, and his opinion isn't...
"someone whom I guess does autopsies"

They are known as "doctors".

So a trained medical doctor does an autopsy on Andrew MacFarlane, and his opinion isn't valid because ________________________________.

(Fill in the blank)
Not all coroners are doctors for one. Actually some are simple funeral directors. Second not all the medical doctors who perform autopsies are forensic pathologists trained in death investigation

Fisher once stated something similar to, "predictions consists of three parts: dynamic modelling, data analysis, and human judgments."

Some type of data needs to be present, to prove or it's a simple opinion, no better than anyone else's.
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BobbyM wrote:
Whatever the case....fucking wished they were available when Magoo ate shit. It looked like that kinda crash was meant for a brace of some sort.
GrapeApe wrote:
James Marshall, too.
And Ernesto Fonseca, and my buddy Chris Daubitz, and many others that aren't household names.
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Choppy 4/4/2013 7:50pm
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flarider wrote:
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself. The question is standardization and regulation. If...
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself.

The question is standardization and regulation.

If an inflatable version was made, would that be considered acceptable and effective? How about styrofoam? Maybe firm rubber?

What is the standard? What is the measure of effective versus ineffective? Who decides that? How? Why is a Leatt better than an Atlas, or an Ortema or an Alpinestars? Who decides? How? By what measure?

I am not against the use of neck braces, and if someone chooses to wear one, good for them, that's fine. If I still rode, I probably would wear (or try) one.

But that doesn't address the question of standardization, testing and measuring each type against each other.

This is why people question question them, because the only data is in-house data and there is no regulation, standardization or outside data.

That isn't hard to understand, is it?
You didn't read the study did you?
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Choppy 4/4/2013 7:59pm
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Ironically everyone saying they don't have enough data on the brace and the coroner said the brace killed him don't know much about autopsies etc.

"Two years ago a blue ribbon panel created by the National Academy of Sciences pointed out the lack of mandatory standards for autopsies and the absence of oversight into the performance of coroners and medical examiners."
http://www.npr.org/2011/02/02/133403760/coroners-dont-need-degrees-to-d…
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flarider 4/4/2013 8:04pm
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flarider wrote:
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself. The question is standardization and regulation. If...
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself.

The question is standardization and regulation.

If an inflatable version was made, would that be considered acceptable and effective? How about styrofoam? Maybe firm rubber?

What is the standard? What is the measure of effective versus ineffective? Who decides that? How? Why is a Leatt better than an Atlas, or an Ortema or an Alpinestars? Who decides? How? By what measure?

I am not against the use of neck braces, and if someone chooses to wear one, good for them, that's fine. If I still rode, I probably would wear (or try) one.

But that doesn't address the question of standardization, testing and measuring each type against each other.

This is why people question question them, because the only data is in-house data and there is no regulation, standardization or outside data.

That isn't hard to understand, is it?
Choppy wrote:
You didn't read the study did you?
and you didn't fully comprehend my reply, did you?

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Choppy 4/4/2013 8:07pm
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flarider wrote:
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself. The question is standardization and regulation. If...
Step back and actually read what people write before jumping the gun and being so hellbent on proving yourself.

The question is standardization and regulation.

If an inflatable version was made, would that be considered acceptable and effective? How about styrofoam? Maybe firm rubber?

What is the standard? What is the measure of effective versus ineffective? Who decides that? How? Why is a Leatt better than an Atlas, or an Ortema or an Alpinestars? Who decides? How? By what measure?

I am not against the use of neck braces, and if someone chooses to wear one, good for them, that's fine. If I still rode, I probably would wear (or try) one.

But that doesn't address the question of standardization, testing and measuring each type against each other.

This is why people question question them, because the only data is in-house data and there is no regulation, standardization or outside data.

That isn't hard to understand, is it?
Choppy wrote:
You didn't read the study did you?
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and you didn't fully comprehend my reply, did you?
Yes I did. And thanks for admitting you never read the study. Get back to us when you do.
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flarider 4/4/2013 8:12pm
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That is purely an inaccurate assumption on your part.

Care to address the issues, concerns and questions you conveniently ignored?
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flarider 4/4/2013 8:18pm
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OK, you're incapable of discussion.
When you can have a discussion like a big boy, let me know
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Choppy 4/4/2013 8:31pm
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flarider wrote:
OK, you're incapable of discussion.
When you can have a discussion like a big boy, let me know
Try and atleast make it through the abstract.
Don't even try and act like you argue like a "big boy"

Independent reviewers of the data/ work with signatures are included in the study.
Testing procedures done at facilities such as the Delphi Test Centre, SANS etc and conclusions are in the study.

Background, motivation, objectives and outline in good detail are in the study.

You won't find data on other devices because that's not what the study is on.

But for about every other question you have someone would simply point you to the study for most of it.

Even ROM and Whiplash theory are discussed in a pretty extensive literature review.



I just don't understand why you want me to answer what's already been.
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In the past few years there have been numerous people on here that said their doctors have said in their opinion the neck brace saved them from a more severe injury, and we have the recommendation from Doc Bodnar, seems that should count for something. Obviously they wont work for every situation.

But hey its simple, if people feel like they don't help or make it worse then don't wear one.
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Choppy 4/4/2013 8:39pm
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gsxrcr28 wrote:
In the past few years there have been numerous people on here that said their doctors have said in their opinion the neck brace saved them...
In the past few years there have been numerous people on here that said their doctors have said in their opinion the neck brace saved them from a more severe injury, and we have the recommendation from Doc Bodnar, seems that should count for something. Obviously they wont work for every situation.

But hey its simple, if people feel like they don't help or make it worse then don't wear one.
I agree. My problem is more to do with people not wanting to read or wanting people to read for them.

I do have problems with doctors saying it helped or did not because they don't base it off anything concrete.
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Choppy 4/4/2013 9:04pm
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No helmet or other protective equipment has been proven to prevent or reduce a concussion. 4. (Taken from my first source. Others included to validate the first source)

Yet we still wear them in hopes that it will.

http://www.ohioaap.org/files/SportShorts_Winter%202013_LR.pdf
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/130311/no-proof-helmets-pre…
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/11/no-proof-that-helmets-prevent-con…
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dantheman 4/4/2013 9:19pm
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Now you're just being silly Choppy! Don't let the first sentence in that article stop you though: "Helmets and mouthguards can prevent serious head and facial injuries... " as there is more to wearing a helmet than simply concussion prevention Wink

Carry on!
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Choppy 4/4/2013 9:26pm
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Now you're just being silly Choppy! Don't let the first sentence in that article stop you though: "Helmets and mouthguards can prevent serious head and facial...
Now you're just being silly Choppy! Don't let the first sentence in that article stop you though: "Helmets and mouthguards can prevent serious head and facial injuries... " as there is more to wearing a helmet than simply concussion prevention Wink

Carry on!
And don't stop reading partially through.

Does anyone here not wear a helmet to try and prevent concussions?
(I think most will understand where this is going right?)
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dantheman 4/4/2013 9:33pm
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I'll tell you what... we can do our own study! You'll need a few things though Wink

Get a friend, your HELMET and a baseball bat. Then...
(I think most will understand where this is going right?)
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Choppy 4/4/2013 9:41pm
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dantheman wrote:
I'll tell you what... we can do our own study! You'll need a few things though ;) Get a friend, your HELMET and a baseball bat...
I'll tell you what... we can do our own study! You'll need a few things though Wink

Get a friend, your HELMET and a baseball bat. Then...
(I think most will understand where this is going right?)
I'll drop you on your head without a neck brace and your friend with one...

I don't think you understand where I was going with that.

Point is no helmet or other protective equipment has been proven to prevent or reduce a concussion. We go off the data available and a bit of faith.
Even though we might never prove helmets don't prevent concussions we wear them in hopes of preventing a concussion among other things.

The same should be said and considered for neck braces.

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