NC LL Area Qualifier April 20-21

"First Moto Gates Picks Are By Registration Order!"

Cool, "brah." Drawing spoons would be too old school district-5 American-like.

Irregardless of when they show up.......can the riders not grab a spoon out of a bucket in the staging area? Or are they showing up to the gate late???

Sounds like an incentive to sign up early.. and if you are able to pre register online, what's wrong with that?

If you can't show up 'til practice starts and don't want to pre-register its not the track owners fault. Sounds like they are just trying to keep everything running smooth, nothing wrong with that.

gate picks by how you sign up?

yikes.

It sounds like it isn't a problem to pull spoons but they are trying to give an incentive to sign up early. So the sign up line isn't too long? How about closing sign ups an hour earlier? Gate picks are pretty important, not sure the order you signed up is cool, especially at a race that is important. What if you aren't able to sign up early? There are lots of reasons this may happen and then your gate pick is affected. A pre determined list for gate picks will allow many questions as to fairness...

Just my opinion.

Lot's of places have "late practice". Why? Show up on time. If the race is important to you, have your stuff in order. You could draw a spoon with a worse gate pick. They are trying to streamline the operation of the race to be able to get all the races done with both motos for every class in the two days. Run your race and earn your second gate.

There is no problem with having online pre-sign up but IT SHOULD NOT be for gate pick.

First moto clothes-pin or spoons is the only FAIR way to do it. There is absolutely no scenerio where it is not possible to draw pins when you are in the staging area.

But it you havn't been in the bi state area for a while (IL/MO). Fair, Tradition and for the love of the sport are words that are slowly disappearing.

I was at the DuQuoin race and arrived Thursday (prepared), and still waited 2 hours in line for signup cause there was only ONE person signing people up, and I was close to the front of the line. Others waited longer than I and I did not see very many show up at the last minute, I saw a lot of people waiting to get in the entrance, but not show up late.

I like the idea of pre sign up, but nothing at the races, areas or local, that justify making pre-signup count for 1st moto gate pick.

I don't get the issue here. They are offering something to help everyone on race day. If you want a good date pick for first moto sign your ass up. Its more fair than random draw of spoons if you ask me. I'll be signing up as soon as payday gets here.

Oh my, so the sign up crew had less than 1o hours off between shifts. Ed, did you check local labor laws to see if that was legal? Just remember, no matter how hard you try it will never be enough! Thankless job dealing with MX people. One of our sponsors blew a gasket a fews years back bending over to help MX people. I witnessed it, it was not pretty. One of the last to get a gate in 250b at PMP got the 1st moto holeshot, just sayin'.....

Recognize the gate on my avatar Ed?

you know LTM has a policy once practice starts it's $5.00 extra to sign up. I have no problem with that, maybe you just need to try something like that, after such and such time it's going to cost you extra. I'm pretty sure the card reader isn't the only hold-up at PMP, it's been that way for years, and I would bet money it will be the same next year. we know almost every track we go to that you need to be early for sign-up or you can go up at your leisure, it's not always the riders fault and it's not always the people behind the windows fault but putting gate pick up is bs IMO, are you going to keep it going when sign-up starts at the track, first guy in line is next gate pick?

most people I know will drive across the street to save .01 on a gallon of gas, so I don't buy the $5.00 at all and you say tracks need all the money they can get, how much easier does it get?

people that show up 5 min before it closes either had problems or don't give two sheets anyway.

how does a man who doesn't have to work have a jump on the working man in a random draw? it's fair because now I can get on my computer and sign up? really? what about the guy that doesn't have a paypal account? bet he thinks it's pretty fair.

REFUND POLICY: No refunds after preregistration has closed!
you don't even say when it closes.

Cause I didn't get there till 8:30

Its your race and your series, do what you want. To be honest, I could really care less. We are going to hit some of your races, we are not going to hit others. Not a big concern what gate pick we get in the first moto. This is just a DISCUSSION, remember how that works. Not a bitch fest, just simply discussing.

Then start charging $10 for late sign up.

Drawing pins would eliminate all the above problems except the one extra staff. Millville uses 1 person to do their gate and they have had 6 or 7 hundred riders everytime I have been there. Proper planning would allow for 1 person the start the races. Have places marked on the staging area, while in staging draw a pin, when moto is called, have them people line up in the numbered staging spot, once lined up, collect all pins, wait for moto to elapse, (while moto is occuring) redistribute pins to next prestage moto. Drop gate, while the next moto is lining up based on numbered position, be collecting and moving in the next moto, etc, etc, etc.

Again, I said pre register is a GOOD IDEA, just not for 1st moto gate pick. This is all kinds of unfair. Target me if you want, I am use to it, seems these days people have a problem listening to the truth, but remember, numerous people responded to this thread, negatively, before I even typed anything and I am just echoing the pit talk I am over hearing along with my own opinions.

I will garantee you right now, call me whatever liar you want, the "series" nut huggers chasing that ever elusive jacket, have ALREADY signed up for this years races. Its called unfair.

And yes you guys did a good job getting people out to practice Friday when the lines where long.

Don't you guys have your own little local forum to argue on?

Yes and it is nowhere near Washington.

So at this point, run with what you planned. We are gonna hit most of the races in the series, (not all) and will not be able to make the qualifier, but I will not be pre registering. The simple fact that you cannot get your money back if something comes up after registration is closed is enough for me to wait till I get to the track. But I usually show up pretty early anyway so should not be a problem

Now not to be only negative.

I really like how you handle practice, $25 per rider. This is the major reason we are hitting your series/races (and others). Nothing wrong with making a little money but bleeding the riders dry by making them pay "per bike" to practice is ludacris.

Like the selection of tracks that you guys are holding races at, we are not series "followers" but we would go to these tracks anyway as they are some of the best in the area.

And looks like a great contingency package along with other perks.

Should work out great for tracks and riders.

Bring the pins back !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How long have you been in Washington? Good to hear something out of you. Not to sound like a nuthugger, but, I always had a ton of respect for you as a rider and person. Eww, that was nuthuggerish, yuck. I'll have to tell Justin I made contact,hahaha.

This goes on all the time everywhere. The problem with late everything is that it invites people to show up late, screw up the system and make everyone that showed up on time wait. I know the tracks want more riders, for more cash, which is understandable. Late sign up, late practice, just stop it. Everyone going to that race knows the time schedule, and should be there on time. If you're late, 1 site lap practice, and last gate. Earn your second gate. The tracks are trying to streamline the process, and I think it's good, to shorten the day for everyone. I sign up early, get there early, got my gate pick. Then some one shows up late, makes everyone wait while they edit the race roster, and then have the nerve to complain about gate position? First gate is random anyway. What people are complaining about is other people that have their business in order getting the gate pick. All you need to do is sign up early, get there early, and race.

Signed up ready to go!

Good day sir, and as always thanks for the kind words. Moved out here in June '11, wife and I are both computer nerds so we went where the jobs are. Rode once at Straddleline and that's been about it as far as riding, though I think I hear that Vet class at the EnduroCross calling my name. The oldest boy turns 4 in July, as soon as he can learn how to poop in the toilet I told him I would take him straight to the Yamaha dealer and buy a PW50. The MR50 in boxes would be a little big, if it were together.

How's Justin? Every year I always expect to see his name on the Loretta's roster. Still goose calling and playing guitar?

Pop wheelies,
RD

He went again last year in 2 Stroke. Says he is done, thought about +25 this year and quickly changed his mind. He still is in great shape, works out 5 days a week. He rode 2 weeks ago for the first time since LL's. I heard he looked out of sorts. He has a few videos on Youtube, goose and guitar. Google Youtube Justin Easton. St Louis has been flat for our company for a few years, the Interstate 55 corridor pretty much dried up. I went to Memphis in '09 for a year and now have been in Nashville going on 3 years. Living away form the family pretty much did racing in, I still try to hold on through telephone and internet. get the PW, skip the Cobra, go straight to a 65