My 02 CR155

Tumic
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2/9/2013 1:16pm
RiV wrote:
Great build Tumic & I feel your on the right track with the epoxy on the cases, too big in that area always slows down air...
Great build Tumic & I feel your on the right track with the epoxy on the cases, too big in that area
always slows down air speed/velocity. A nice blend/radius can work well too, will be interesting to
see what TDC has to say.

I've always had good luck with this Loctite product, stays put & is easy to
work with, no metal particles plus not over priced:

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1409478&cagpspn=…

Best o luck,

R
Thanks for the great input!

Whati can understand epoxy seems to be the best option to keep engine response etc, but im wating for TDC to get in to my parts properly and thenn i will post info in here.

I will try that epoxy, thanks!
Frodad78
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IceMan446 wrote:
Ok, thanks man appreciate the info.
Tumic wrote:
Any time! For now i might end up building up the cases with epoxy, im talking to TDC about it and if it ends up that...
Any time!

For now i might end up building up the cases with epoxy, im talking to TDC about it and if it ends up that way, that i need to split the cases i will send them away to get them anodised, found this 125 here and love the engine, think i will look Good with dark cases and carbon engine covers.

I'd love to know how you go about adding the epoxy to the cases. I hear my 01 would benefit from it greatly. I just don't know how the hell to go about it.
Tumic
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2/12/2013 12:09am
IceMan446 wrote:
Ok, thanks man appreciate the info.
Tumic wrote:
Any time! For now i might end up building up the cases with epoxy, im talking to TDC about it and if it ends up that...
Any time!

For now i might end up building up the cases with epoxy, im talking to TDC about it and if it ends up that way, that i need to split the cases i will send them away to get them anodised, found this 125 here and love the engine, think i will look Good with dark cases and carbon engine covers.

Frodad78 wrote:
I'd love to know how you go about adding the epoxy to the cases. I hear my 01 would benefit from it greatly. I just don't...
I'd love to know how you go about adding the epoxy to the cases. I hear my 01 would benefit from it greatly. I just don't know how the hell to go about it.
Tumic
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2/14/2013 8:16am
Got my new BUD silencer today, well spent money, looks really good.

Will remove the sticker for more factory look.





The Shop

2/14/2013 5:25pm
That BUD silencer looks really trick! How much?
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2/15/2013 12:09pm
Both bikes are amazing! Tumic what is done to get them engine cases above colored the way they are? I also think it looks badass but was wondering what the effects of the powdercoat are on letting the engine breath. If it is infact p.c. Also those KYB a kit forks you have are making me jealous!!
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2/15/2013 4:51pm
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Both bikes are amazing! Tumic what is done to get them engine cases above colored the way they are? I also think it looks badass but...
Both bikes are amazing! Tumic what is done to get them engine cases above colored the way they are? I also think it looks badass but was wondering what the effects of the powdercoat are on letting the engine breath. If it is infact p.c. Also those KYB a kit forks you have are making me jealous!!
The bike above with the darker engine is anodised,.
As for powdercoat on engine cases i don't se any bigger problem, it's Good to let all heat you can out, but i think it is a smaker issue with paint on the cases then what it would be if you painted the cylinder or head with a thick paint.

I don't know what Honda used to paint their engines with back in the days when they were red or black, but keep in mind that the mugen 125 had a red cylinder and head to, so it can't be that bad.
erazer
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What brand of plastics are you using? ufo, acerbis? etc. cheers
Tumic
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erazer wrote:
What brand of plastics are you using? ufo, acerbis? etc. cheers
We always run UFO or OEM on our bikes, but on this one it's UFO.
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Moto120 in here has steped it up big time, i can't afford new TI parts but i decided to go for carbon engine covers on this one to, found these a couple of months ago in Holland and now i decided that its a must have.





Will go for a carbon skidplate to..
Tumic
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3/21/2013 3:02pm
So, long time no see..

Been bussy with my enduro racing latley so it's still where í left it in the last post.

But the parts are getting done over att TDC, got a mail with some pics, really fun to see the progress of tuning and getting updated

about whats happening.

But we ran in some issues, the Phat head turned out to be a problem to order, sense phat head has been bought by another company and the parts were in the transfer between tha companys.

So we decided to go for a VHM head instead that is a european head that is really big over here, but it turned out that the 99 VHM heads were discontinued..

So Brett att TDC milled out my old head, and made a new insert with orings instead of a gasket.

Here is the final result, he is finnishing up the cylinder now so soon i can have the bike up on the dyno and hopefully present som good numbers.



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3/21/2013 8:22pm
RiV wrote:
Great build Tumic & I feel your on the right track with the epoxy on the cases, too big in that area always slows down air...
Great build Tumic & I feel your on the right track with the epoxy on the cases, too big in that area
always slows down air speed/velocity. A nice blend/radius can work well too, will be interesting to
see what TDC has to say.

I've always had good luck with this Loctite product, stays put & is easy to
work with, no metal particles plus not over priced:

http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1409478&cagpspn=…

Best o luck,

R
A lot of people put epoxy in there cases, assuming it will be a good thing. The pipe has a huge suction, like a supersized shop vac on the export. Keep the mix in the head and not the exhaust port is key here. Something to think about. Less volume [case volume] very well may end out the export. Were you put the material is just as important as the volume of the material. The pipe volume and case volume work together , change one and not the other? Not good.

A engine that grows in cc's, needs more port area than stock, if not , it will not run well.
Aslo, needs to have a balance of torque and rpm. Torque makes HP as does Rpm, as long as rpm does not drop faster than torque , power goes up. If not , rpm goes up and torque drop faster, than it will rev and not make power.
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Here's a hybrid head of sorts. Brent at TDC helped me get a great running KX Supermini by designing this head to go on our bike. We had around 19 to 1 compression and the metal shim gasket wouldn't seal it well enough so he came up with this. Anybody that knows KX mini's knows that chamber is nothing like stock.

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Yes, that is a nice looking combustion chamber-reminds me of some toroidal designs, nice to hear
it cured your woes. Brent, I like your reference of the shop vac and exhaust. If we were to measure an
engines air flow without proper pipe effects it would be surprisingly deficient without them. I also
feel you have the upper hand on this, to fill in the blanks you evidently know the std volume of
the crankcase and the added displacement which would numerically add about .1 on its volume #
( from 1.416:1 to 1.510:1 or similar) and also know when its too much for what you intend for Tumic's
motor or in alignment with the pipe that will be used.

It is very seldom I hear anyone use reference to crankcase volume so I find that very intriguing, my
knowledge of it is very dated so I was hoping you might have some fresh input that does not under
mine your business at hand (or in general). This is what I understand, 1.2:1 is on the low side, any-
thing over 1.5:1 is on the high side (too little volume). Your input would be quite valued.
Now on your selection of pipe to crankcase volume, are you evaluating/selecting, modifying or doing
custom pipes to meet the engines needs? I realize your direction is often limited by the customers
budget and the best you can give them in return within that.

Since theory in practice often has different results than expected I am interested in what works for YOU! :-)

Regards,

R
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3/23/2013 5:53pm
Too much on his plate for pipes, I've already been down that road with him. I can guarantee you Brent spends waaay more time on his porting and head setups than 90% of the other guys out there. But his work is worth it!!
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3/23/2013 7:14pm
RiV wrote:
Yes, that is a nice looking combustion chamber-reminds me of some toroidal designs, nice to hear it cured your woes. Brent, I like your reference of...
Yes, that is a nice looking combustion chamber-reminds me of some toroidal designs, nice to hear
it cured your woes. Brent, I like your reference of the shop vac and exhaust. If we were to measure an
engines air flow without proper pipe effects it would be surprisingly deficient without them. I also
feel you have the upper hand on this, to fill in the blanks you evidently know the std volume of
the crankcase and the added displacement which would numerically add about .1 on its volume #
( from 1.416:1 to 1.510:1 or similar) and also know when its too much for what you intend for Tumic's
motor or in alignment with the pipe that will be used.

It is very seldom I hear anyone use reference to crankcase volume so I find that very intriguing, my
knowledge of it is very dated so I was hoping you might have some fresh input that does not under
mine your business at hand (or in general). This is what I understand, 1.2:1 is on the low side, any-
thing over 1.5:1 is on the high side (too little volume). Your input would be quite valued.
Now on your selection of pipe to crankcase volume, are you evaluating/selecting, modifying or doing
custom pipes to meet the engines needs? I realize your direction is often limited by the customers
budget and the best you can give them in return within that.

Since theory in practice often has different results than expected I am interested in what works for YOU! :-)

Regards,

R
I change some pipe dimensions sometimes, I do not build pipes.

Riv . I think case comp all depends on the timings and transfer duct volume /shape/angles and of corse the pipe.
I have tested different transfer tunnel volumes /angles /pipes on the Dyno on a couple different engines .
One case reed I did made best power and Torque with a low 1.25 ratio. Case comp must be measured and
taken into account on all builds.
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3/26/2013 12:33pm
Great, thanks for clarification. I suppose I am a bit surprised using crank compression as
a go to in one of the main legs of your builds, not that I doubt it at all. Imo I think it adds
another layer to the build that either tuners aren't saying their doing or just sidestepping
it totally...?? Honestly I've used some software from about 93-2005ish with great success
& only input I had used on crank comp. was within its reed valve program, now I'm wishing
that I had played with case volume more-especially on some stroker motors!

Do you work with any vintage builds? If so I know of someone that really needs some
direction on a stagnant project, I'm pretty sure they have a mismatched pipe, a target
RPM that is not achievable due to mechanical limitations & yes certainly a case comp
that is too low for its down sized displacement. I don't believe money is as important
as completing the project, if remotely interested I could fill you in, with about a 5 minute
phone call.
Tumic
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4/3/2013 12:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/3/2013 12:33pm
Some new updates then.

I split the cases and got them water and glass blasted.





Looks like brand new, did not find any company that could anodise the color i wanted on the cases so went for this option instead.

Blasted some other parts to.





When we split the cases and removed the Rad Valve i saw that the reeds were all gone, about 10 hours ago the looked like new so i dont know if it is the Avgas 100ll fuel that took uot the reeds?

The carbon part is undamaged but not the clear plastic parts.





a work in progress pic of the cylinder, the cylinder is back from replating now and will be shiped back to me today, i will post more pics of that when i get it.



Got a new Sunline brake lever and a Cycra stadium plate ordered from BTO sports to, so soon i got all the parts i need to put the bike to geather again, until then i got som work to do on my new 450 that i gonna test a Öhlins fork on.

Tumic
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Got my parts back from TDC yeasterday.



The parts looks really nice and i can see a good amount of work on the cyliner.



The miss match problem is now gone



And here is the new head VS the old one







Started to put it back to geather las night and started to play a bit with the new valve cover.

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4/13/2013 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/13/2013 2:11pm
It'll breath now and that ex port is about 30% larger by the looks of it. I'm guessing he had over 25 hours into that cylinder to bring it out where it needed to be. I can't wait to hear your remarks after riding it!! Oh and that thing will easily pull a gear higher on the front, ours did.
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Any updates on how it runs?
4/15/2013 6:47pm
yes update or video of it running
Tumic
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4/15/2013 9:48pm
Hoodie wrote:
Any updates on how it runs?
It will be atleast one month untill i can test it.
We still got snow at home...
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MOTO120 wrote:
Bike above is 100% bad ass!
Tumic wrote:
Yeah, it's a awsome build! Got my PWK in today : [IMG]http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/tumic/IMG_6496_zps8b7281be.jpg[/IMG] Guess i need a new cable now, thinking about a cr 500, i never...
Yeah, it's a awsome build!

Got my PWK in today :



Guess i need a new cable now, thinking about a cr 500, i never heard any 500 rider that had issues with the stock cable when they swaped to the kawasaki kx 500 pwk.
q1, hey Tumic, did your standard carb mikuni have the throttle positioning cables on it, I have a pwk I want to try but it has no

connection for the sensor on it, do I just disconnect the cable from the old one, its a 2007 cr125, unsure if it matters,

may just try it.


q2, anyone tried running them without the power valve in place, thinking of either locking it open or removing it to see how it

runs, eager to try,

nice work, now post a vid, Cheerful
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MOTO120 wrote:
Bike above is 100% bad ass!
Tumic wrote:
Yeah, it's a awsome build! Got my PWK in today : [IMG]http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff303/tumic/IMG_6496_zps8b7281be.jpg[/IMG] Guess i need a new cable now, thinking about a cr 500, i never...
Yeah, it's a awsome build!

Got my PWK in today :



Guess i need a new cable now, thinking about a cr 500, i never heard any 500 rider that had issues with the stock cable when they swaped to the kawasaki kx 500 pwk.
porpunka wrote:
q1, hey Tumic, did your standard carb mikuni have the throttle positioning cables on it, I have a pwk I want to try but it has...
q1, hey Tumic, did your standard carb mikuni have the throttle positioning cables on it, I have a pwk I want to try but it has no

connection for the sensor on it, do I just disconnect the cable from the old one, its a 2007 cr125, unsure if it matters,

may just try it.


q2, anyone tried running them without the power valve in place, thinking of either locking it open or removing it to see how it

runs, eager to try,

nice work, now post a vid, Cheerful
In 02 the cr 125 did not have TPS.


On the shifter kart engines they remove the power valves and blug them, but i hav never seen any dyno graphs on how much it effects the powerband, good or bad.

You should be able to just disconnect the cable, but i saw someone on thumper talk that had a PWK TPS kit for cr250, maybe he can fix some 125 kits to for the newer TPS cr 125 bikes.

I will post a vid when it gets on the dyno and the first test ride Smile
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kool, was thinking of disconnecting the cable tps with the old carb in place and see if it makes any diff and then do some

swappin with the pwk, it measured between 38/39mm, I think I need better glasses, Grinning it had a 205 main, too big I think,

tried any advanced / retarding at all, read it was better to keep it retarded a little like me, Laughing

wish I kept the stock muffler Wink , the pc header is a bit flat with the 304 silencer, may have to throw in the dep, or stock header

back on, cheerio bro next time answer a bit quicker i'm on a timing limit, Tongue Kissing
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Hoodie wrote:
Any updates on how it runs?
Tumic wrote:
It will be atleast one month untill i can test it.
We still got snow at home...
This is pure snow! It's everywhere! Do you have any idea what the street value of this mountain is?
Tumic
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4/17/2013 2:44pm
Hoodie wrote:
Any updates on how it runs?
Tumic wrote:
It will be atleast one month untill i can test it.
We still got snow at home...
RiV wrote:
This is pure snow! It's everywhere! Do you have any idea what the street value of this mountain is?
that boy needs therapy,,,


Right now im just half asleep and will just let the pic's speak for them self,











The 05-07 pipe was a straight fit, so if you ever need a pipe for your 02-04, the newer pipes will fit.

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