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hyped up than when JS7 turned pro?

He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did.....


But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines to kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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na..

there are no more am riders who are the next big thing IMO, in the sense that they were head and shoulders above everyone else.
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na..

there are no more am riders who are the next big thing IMO, in the sense that they were head and shoulders above everyone else.
Yeh... i think your right! but... I will bet that AC92 will b the highest paid lites rider ever!
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bd 3/17/2013 7:16pm
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Is AC92 dominating the AM 250F class?
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mototrader 3/17/2013 7:34pm
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na..

there are no more am riders who are the next big thing IMO, in the sense that they were head and shoulders above everyone else.
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Yeh... i think your right! but... I will bet that AC92 will b the highest paid lites rider ever!
highest paid as in base? or performance incentive?

PC has a REALLY solid team, there is no doubt that their bikes are some of the best, if not THEE best..however...his secret is that his riders dont get paid unless they perform. it's no secret actually, but it seems to have been pretty effective

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A few observations from a casual observer.

Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow shouldered?

Hes smart isnt he? Well-spoken and him and his gramps are big civil war buffs? Its MY OPINION...that smart guys have short careers. A big crash or two gets smart guys thinking about worse crashes, and thinking too much is the last thing you want to be a sucessful dirtbike racer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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AS64 3/17/2013 8:02pm
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To much hype around Cianciarulo IMO. You're gonna want to watch out for Cooper Webb.
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Sandberm wrote:
A few observations from a casual observer. Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow...
A few observations from a casual observer.

Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow shouldered?

Hes smart isnt he? Well-spoken and him and his gramps are big civil war buffs? Its MY OPINION...that smart guys have short careers. A big crash or two gets smart guys thinking about worse crashes, and thinking too much is the last thing you want to be a sucessful dirtbike racer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit he didn't have a long mx career. You might have a point for others though. Maybe that's J-Law's issue, too smart to still be racing. (sarcasm)
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Husqerdo 3/17/2013 8:07pm
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bd wrote:
Is AC92 dominating the AM 250F class?
I think he is still in the 80 class last I looked (or cared).
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Sandberm 3/17/2013 8:14pm
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A few observations from a casual observer. Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow...
A few observations from a casual observer.

Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow shouldered?

Hes smart isnt he? Well-spoken and him and his gramps are big civil war buffs? Its MY OPINION...that smart guys have short careers. A big crash or two gets smart guys thinking about worse crashes, and thinking too much is the last thing you want to be a sucessful dirtbike racer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit...
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit he didn't have a long mx career. You might have a point for others though. Maybe that's J-Law's issue, too smart to still be racing. (sarcasm)
I always thought Pastranas sucess was more due to drive, personality and self confidense rather than being intelligent.

Its just a theory I have that with a lot of professions it helps to have an abundance of drive and self confidense rather than smarts. Being smart means you see all the possibilities including bad outcomes. Being able to see that things might go wrong paralyzes you into inaction or at best being overly cautious.
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tvo314 3/17/2013 8:23pm
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I don't disagree with you. I really don't think mx requires much intelligence at all as reflected by most top riders. I don't mean to bash them, they've never needed to practice much critical thinking beyond testing. Intelligence doesn't just happen, most have to work for it and I'm not just talking about school.

Although Windham had a very long career, he might be a good example as someone who is a little bit smarter than the rest and consequently is very aware of all the possibilities and dangers, this very likely could have hurt his win list. This also is no doubt what kept his career going so long. I respect him for that.
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Sandberm 3/17/2013 8:26pm
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I don't disagree with you. I really don't think mx requires much intelligence at all as reflected by most top riders. I don't mean to bash...
I don't disagree with you. I really don't think mx requires much intelligence at all as reflected by most top riders. I don't mean to bash them, they've never needed to practice much critical thinking beyond testing. Intelligence doesn't just happen, most have to work for it and I'm not just talking about school.

Although Windham had a very long career, he might be a good example as someone who is a little bit smarter than the rest and consequently is very aware of all the possibilities and dangers, this very likely could have hurt his win list. This also is no doubt what kept his career going so long. I respect him for that.
EXACTLY!!! Windham is the obvious guy who is smart and in the last 3-4 years would talk about the risk/reward relationship to going fast. He tried unhooking his brain and just going fast and had some hard crashes knock the smart back into him.
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Sandberm wrote:
A few observations from a casual observer. Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow...
A few observations from a casual observer.

Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow shouldered?

Hes smart isnt he? Well-spoken and him and his gramps are big civil war buffs? Its MY OPINION...that smart guys have short careers. A big crash or two gets smart guys thinking about worse crashes, and thinking too much is the last thing you want to be a sucessful dirtbike racer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
tvo314 wrote:
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit...
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit he didn't have a long mx career. You might have a point for others though. Maybe that's J-Law's issue, too smart to still be racing. (sarcasm)
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I always thought Pastranas sucess was more due to drive, personality and self confidense rather than being intelligent. Its just a theory I have that with...
I always thought Pastranas sucess was more due to drive, personality and self confidense rather than being intelligent.

Its just a theory I have that with a lot of professions it helps to have an abundance of drive and self confidense rather than smarts. Being smart means you see all the possibilities including bad outcomes. Being able to see that things might go wrong paralyzes you into inaction or at best being overly cautious.
To suggest the top riders are not smart because they do not realize the danger of the sport only shows that you have no idea who or what they are made of. Not trying to take a shot at you, but really, you obviously can not relate to their situation. They deal with the seriousness and danger of the sport everyday and know it. So you consider yourself a smart guy?
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Sandberm wrote:
A few observations from a casual observer. Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow...
A few observations from a casual observer.

Hes kind of a small guy isnt he? Not small in the RC, JT$, Kiniry bulldog way but narrow shouldered?

Hes smart isnt he? Well-spoken and him and his gramps are big civil war buffs? Its MY OPINION...that smart guys have short careers. A big crash or two gets smart guys thinking about worse crashes, and thinking too much is the last thing you want to be a sucessful dirtbike racer.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
the kids balls haven't even dropped out..IMO he should stay amateur until he actually starts turning into a man because at the moment hes pretty damn PRE-pubescent.

he has a ton of talent and is underdeveloped physically....and has his whole life ahead of him..kinda silly hes turning pro @ hangtown
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mellonhs 3/17/2013 9:11pm
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AS64 wrote:
To much hype around Cianciarulo IMO. You're gonna want to watch out for Cooper Webb.
Yeh... I've been a fan of Webb for 2 yrs he's gonna kill it for sure and do bttr than 92 I think. But let's go GAINES!!!!!!!
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GuppyGahoo 3/17/2013 9:11pm
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I'd say you nailed it mototrader. He looks sooooooooooooo tiny. Whistling

That said, I don't see him coming out and setting the world on fire. I think it will be a building year for him if he does line up at Hangtown.


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I'd say you nailed it mototrader. He looks sooooooooooooo tiny. :whistle: That said, I don't see him coming out and setting the world on fire. [b]I...
I'd say you nailed it mototrader. He looks sooooooooooooo tiny. Whistling

That said, I don't see him coming out and setting the world on fire. I think it will be a building year for him if he does line up at Hangtown.


theres nothing wrong with being a late bloomer...i was one.
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Sandberm 3/17/2013 9:39pm
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tvo314 wrote:
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit...
Pastrana always seemed to be one of the smartest guys out there, but he sure didn't stop after a couple of hard crashes. Although I admit he didn't have a long mx career. You might have a point for others though. Maybe that's J-Law's issue, too smart to still be racing. (sarcasm)
Sandberm wrote:
I always thought Pastranas sucess was more due to drive, personality and self confidense rather than being intelligent. Its just a theory I have that with...
I always thought Pastranas sucess was more due to drive, personality and self confidense rather than being intelligent.

Its just a theory I have that with a lot of professions it helps to have an abundance of drive and self confidense rather than smarts. Being smart means you see all the possibilities including bad outcomes. Being able to see that things might go wrong paralyzes you into inaction or at best being overly cautious.
Husqerdo wrote:
To suggest the top riders are not smart because they do not realize the danger of the sport only shows that you have no idea who...
To suggest the top riders are not smart because they do not realize the danger of the sport only shows that you have no idea who or what they are made of. Not trying to take a shot at you, but really, you obviously can not relate to their situation. They deal with the seriousness and danger of the sport everyday and know it. So you consider yourself a smart guy?
Perhaps my thinking is backwards. Maybe they all have ABOVE average intelligence because they are able to rationalize the dangers of the sport and understand the likelyhood of serious injury.
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Derpin' DJ 3/17/2013 9:51pm
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They're intelligent. Just not well educated in most cases Laughing

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he1ll do what every other rookie does holeshot 1st moto prob win then fizzle out rest of season from there, then a year or 2 later be back on top
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I SEEN MR # 92 EAT WEBB UP AT THE MONSTER CUP IN VEGAS !!!! in one of the moto's,,,then go down in the other moto .. but he passed a crap load of guys before the end of the moto.. We'll see who's better real soon...
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dave.bonz.9 3/18/2013 12:32am
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AC HAS BEEN ON THE 250F FOR A FEW MONTHS AND LOVES IT..just let him get some time on the bike and he will do just fine...
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This guy is going to be trouble for all the other rookies.
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dave.bonz.9 wrote:
I SEEN MR # 92 EAT WEBB UP AT THE MONSTER CUP IN VEGAS !!!! in one of the moto's,,,then go down in the other moto...
I SEEN MR # 92 EAT WEBB UP AT THE MONSTER CUP IN VEGAS !!!! in one of the moto's,,,then go down in the other moto .. but he passed a crap load of guys before the end of the moto.. We'll see who's better real soon...
The problem with that is they will be lining up for Hangtown, not Anaheim. Plus AC has been mostly riding the couch until very recently recovering from shoulder surgery. He will go into Hangtown (if he is able to make it) without actually racing anyone in months.
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mellonhs wrote:
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro? He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did..... But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines...
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro?

He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did.....


But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines to kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You must have forgotten how much hype there was for Stewart. Lets hope Adam C's first year is half as exciting as Stewart's first year was.

Stewart on a 125 VS. 250's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o0aHp6HezQ
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This guy is going to be trouble for all the other rookies. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2013/03/18/cooper_417779.jpg[/img]
This guy is going to be trouble for all the other rookies.
x2

And Jeremy Martin is the real deal as well.
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mellonhs wrote:
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro? He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did..... But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines...
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro?

He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did.....


But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines to kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simple answer to your question is no.

In terms of Cooper Weeb one thing that strikes me is that he doesn't seem to get good starts. That's fine in the Am. ranks, but is he wants to do well from the jump he will need to get better starts.

Good luck to both of this coming seson though.


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mellonhs wrote:
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro? He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did..... But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines...
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro?

He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did.....


But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines to kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P wrote:
Simple answer to your question is no. In terms of Cooper Weeb one thing that strikes me is that he doesn't seem to get good starts...
Simple answer to your question is no.

In terms of Cooper Weeb one thing that strikes me is that he doesn't seem to get good starts. That's fine in the Am. ranks, but is he wants to do well from the jump he will need to get better starts.

Good luck to both of this coming seson though.


P
P I agree about Coops starts and Im sure they are working on them but I still think that even with a mid pack start he will do well. Last year Shane Mcelrath was the the fastes at the ranch and now Coop is like 3 to 4 seconds a lap faster then him.Last week at Oak Hill he came from atleast mid pack every moto and just rolled through the pack with ease.
Maybe Im just a little over excited but I think that he is going to be like Jeremy Martin and show up and be a contender right away.
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mellonhs wrote:
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro? He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did..... But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines...
hyped up than when JS7 turned pro?

He may come in and do the same thing Bubba did.....


But im pulling for the local Nick Gaines to kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P wrote:
Simple answer to your question is no. In terms of Cooper Weeb one thing that strikes me is that he doesn't seem to get good starts...
Simple answer to your question is no.

In terms of Cooper Weeb one thing that strikes me is that he doesn't seem to get good starts. That's fine in the Am. ranks, but is he wants to do well from the jump he will need to get better starts.

Good luck to both of this coming seson though.


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[b]P[/b] I agree about Coops starts and Im sure they are working on them but I still think that even with a mid pack start he...
P I agree about Coops starts and Im sure they are working on them but I still think that even with a mid pack start he will do well. Last year Shane Mcelrath was the the fastes at the ranch and now Coop is like 3 to 4 seconds a lap faster then him.Last week at Oak Hill he came from atleast mid pack every moto and just rolled through the pack with ease.
Maybe Im just a little over excited but I think that he is going to be like Jeremy Martin and show up and be a contender right away.
It will be interesting to see how he does. Is his plan to ride all of the Nationals this year?

I would like to see him ride an Am. race before he hits the nations.



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Dirtydane 3/18/2013 8:59am
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Lets hope Mitch reads this thread since no one seems to remember who Mitch really is.... I'm sure he will take all your advices in consideration and then make the right decision for his rider.

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