Opinion; Are Moto Journalists

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Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 7:25pm
Are they journalists or simply PR amplifiers that do nothing but repeat, with some flair, what they are told to say by the power houses in the moto industry?

Whay has no moto journo dug into the AMA decision about the penalty for RV? Why do moto journalists ignore the persistant rumors about PED's and connections to people connected to PED use in other sports?

Is it fear of being black balled and frozen out or is there simply nothing to report?
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Are they journalists or simply PR amplifiers that do nothing but repeat, with some flair, what they are told to say by the power houses in...
Are they journalists or simply PR amplifiers that do nothing but repeat, with some flair, what they are told to say by the power houses in the moto industry?

Whay has no moto journo dug into the AMA decision about the penalty for RV? Why do moto journalists ignore the persistant rumors about PED's and connections to people connected to PED use in other sports?

Is it fear of being black balled and frozen out or is there simply nothing to report?
Because they know it was a fair penalty and find no need to turn it into a false conspiracy?
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3/15/2013 7:41am
TerryK wrote:
Because they know it was a fair penalty and find no need to turn it into a false conspiracy?
How was it fair if the rule book does not allow for it?
3/15/2013 7:42am
Five pages minimum.

In my brief experience, this is an incredibly tiny sport. Being a moto journalist requires tons of access. I am not agreeing that these guys don't address controversey, but in general you can't go around making enemies in this sport if you want to get anywhere. You need rider access, you need pit access, you need track access, you need friends.

I've had my own experiences in this department- even gotten a rash of shit for stuff I have posted here. There is a general air of intimidation in this sport, no doubt. It is also a fringe sport with many, many fly-by-night characters in the wings.
Hell the guy that founded Supercross was a rock and roll promoter now in jail for allegedly having his competitor killed. That kind of set the tone I think. It really reminds me of another industry I have spent some time in- the music industry.
Generally I think these guys do a good job. Some journalists have a cool guy SoCal bro attitude, but others like Weege, Ping and Matthes do a good job. JT$ is another guy who is going to make a name in moto journalism.
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3/15/2013 7:47am
How do you guys think the Cowboys are going to do this year? I think the owner needs to fire the General Manager and get a real football guy in here but that will probably never happen. I can't see Jerry firing himself as GM, he's too much of a control freak and he did win those 3 Superbowls back in the 90's being the owner and GM. I guess you have to ask yourself, did you enjoy those 3 Superbowls? I hope you did, I hope you did very much. I'm also not sure if Romo can win the big game. They should probably cut Romo and get Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in here.

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3/15/2013 7:48am
TerryK wrote:
Because they know it was a fair penalty and find no need to turn it into a false conspiracy?
How was it fair if the rule book does not allow for it?
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
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I was reading a surfer mag and there was a story by a journalist that had all the details of a certain surfers experience traveling to contests. Many times he stops his writing as night falls and the parties begin and he says , I can't say anymore because as you know I am privileged to be hanging with these pros but as a journalist I must watch what I expose in fear of being black balled.
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Weege, Matthes & JT$ for life.
My ears bleed generally, listening to anyone talk about moto, apart from these guys.
Considered, intelligent, interesting. These guys will expand the sport.
Listen to DMXS - in-jokes and rubbish, for example, just stupidity.

Make Moto Interesting (TM)
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3/15/2013 8:01am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 8:08am
TerryK wrote:
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch...
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear!

So, if I am wrong about the rule book not allowing it, please show me the rule that allows the penalty they handed out. The AMA said so it not a fucking rule.

This is in the rule book:

(taken from the rule book appendix A paragraph A1.d):

d. The Race Director may pronounce the following penalties.
• Warning
• Fine
• Lap deductions or finishing position deductions
• Time and/or point penalties
• Disqualification
• Suspension
• Probation not exceeding 12 months from the date of offence
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3/15/2013 8:06am
No they aren't, most are self taught amateur writers.

Nothing wrong with that but a big difference between that and being a journalist.

Saying that how many sports having legit journalists covering them ?
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3/15/2013 8:07am
TerryK wrote:
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch...
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
Which ruling? Penalty midrace was never explained.
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3/15/2013 8:09am
TerryK wrote:
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch...
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear! So, if I am wrong...
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear!

So, if I am wrong about the rule book not allowing it, please show me the rule that allows the penalty they handed out. The AMA said so it not a fucking rule.

This is in the rule book:

(taken from the rule book appendix A paragraph A1.d):

d. The Race Director may pronounce the following penalties.
• Warning
• Fine
• Lap deductions or finishing position deductions
• Time and/or point penalties
• Disqualification
• Suspension
• Probation not exceeding 12 months from the date of offence
It's pretty transparent. This sport doesn't warrant any type of watch dog agency or even watch dog journalism. You've answered all your own questions so far which I'm sure was the point. If you're outraged go kick some ass bro.
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3/15/2013 8:10am
TerryK wrote:
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch...
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear! So, if I am wrong...
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear!

So, if I am wrong about the rule book not allowing it, please show me the rule that allows the penalty they handed out. The AMA said so it not a fucking rule.

This is in the rule book:

(taken from the rule book appendix A paragraph A1.d):

d. The Race Director may pronounce the following penalties.
• Warning
• Fine
• Lap deductions or finishing position deductions
• Time and/or point penalties
• Disqualification
• Suspension
• Probation not exceeding 12 months from the date of offence
Dude, you are wrong and this argument is pointless. Move on. And a word of advice if I will: If you let all the conspiracy bullshit go and worry only about the important stuff in your life, you will be a happier person and people will like you. You can't change the weather, so why complain!?

I'm out!
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3/15/2013 8:14am
TerryK wrote:
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch...
You really want to go back there? Well not with me you wont because I'm not biting lol. Just one thing though, go back and watch when they interview the AMA official last weekend. He explains the ruling and thats it. Get over it.
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear! So, if I am wrong...
You prove my point! AMA said so and that is it. So the Moto journo's leave it be out of fear!

So, if I am wrong about the rule book not allowing it, please show me the rule that allows the penalty they handed out. The AMA said so it not a fucking rule.

This is in the rule book:

(taken from the rule book appendix A paragraph A1.d):

d. The Race Director may pronounce the following penalties.
• Warning
• Fine
• Lap deductions or finishing position deductions
• Time and/or point penalties
• Disqualification
• Suspension
• Probation not exceeding 12 months from the date of offence
TerryK wrote:
Dude, you are wrong and this argument is pointless. Move on. And a word of advice if I will: If you let all the conspiracy bullshit...
Dude, you are wrong and this argument is pointless. Move on. And a word of advice if I will: If you let all the conspiracy bullshit go and worry only about the important stuff in your life, you will be a happier person and people will like you. You can't change the weather, so why complain!?

I'm out!
How am I wrong whhen the allowable penalties are clearly listed and what the did is not among them?


But back to my point. This is not about the penalty, this is about the moto journo's ignoring and nor questioning the "I said so" defense of the penalty by the AMA.
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3/15/2013 8:49am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 8:50am
This thread really delivers.
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I haven`t seen ANYBODY ask any AMA official why they penalized RV mid race.
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3/15/2013 9:17am
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I haven`t seen ANYBODY ask any AMA official why they penalized RV mid race.
They swept that shit under the rug quicker than, a swiffer duster picks up dust.
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3/15/2013 9:18am
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I haven`t seen ANYBODY ask any AMA official why they penalized RV mid race.
Must not have happened then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you can do better then you're free to start up an "Everything Exposed in MX" website and get rich.
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Must not have happened then. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you...
Must not have happened then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you can do better then you're free to start up an "Everything Exposed in MX" website and get rich.
I chose to be somebody else in my life and I get shit at my work if I don`t do it properly. You chose to be moto journalist and when you ignore subject that can potentially decide championship I say you do shitty job.
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Must not have happened then. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you...
Must not have happened then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you can do better then you're free to start up an "Everything Exposed in MX" website and get rich.
kongols wrote:
I chose to be somebody else in my life and I get shit at my work if I don`t do it properly. You chose to be...
I chose to be somebody else in my life and I get shit at my work if I don`t do it properly. You chose to be moto journalist and when you ignore subject that can potentially decide championship I say you do shitty job.
Yeah, I guess we all ignored it. No one asked the head of the AMA about that at all. Guess we should have flown a blimp over your house with the answer that the AMA gave us to make sure you saw it? So you're too lazy to listen or read the explanation and it's our fault?
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3/15/2013 9:35am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 9:38am
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Yeah, I guess we all ignored it. No one asked the head of the AMA about that at all. Guess we should have flown a blimp...
Yeah, I guess we all ignored it. No one asked the head of the AMA about that at all. Guess we should have flown a blimp over your house with the answer that the AMA gave us to make sure you saw it? So you're too lazy to listen or read the explanation and it's our fault?
I haven`t seen anybody ask which rule AMA followed when they penalized him mid race. I`ve seen bullshit explanation that yellow flag is most important flag and red cross flag works two and a half feet.
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Must not have happened then. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you...
Must not have happened then.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on this thread. Comes up every month or so. We're all trying our best out there, if you think you can do better then you're free to start up an "Everything Exposed in MX" website and get rich.
kongols wrote:
I chose to be somebody else in my life and I get shit at my work if I don`t do it properly. You chose to be...
I chose to be somebody else in my life and I get shit at my work if I don`t do it properly. You chose to be moto journalist and when you ignore subject that can potentially decide championship I say you do shitty job.
Matthes wrote:
Yeah, I guess we all ignored it. No one asked the head of the AMA about that at all. Guess we should have flown a blimp...
Yeah, I guess we all ignored it. No one asked the head of the AMA about that at all. Guess we should have flown a blimp over your house with the answer that the AMA gave us to make sure you saw it? So you're too lazy to listen or read the explanation and it's our fault?
Side stepping isn't an answer lol.
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3/15/2013 9:43am
Holy Christ......this topic is going to surpass the damn seat bounce thread. Maybe not this exact thread......but I'm counting the other 387 other threads that were about this same topic. Sheeesh.......you aint seeing me in it.
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The Mid-Race penalty was explained that they have precedence in AMA Flat Track and Road Racing and that was the ruling
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3/15/2013 9:44am
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the track went back to yellow. And that he did.
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3/15/2013 9:48am Edited Date/Time 3/15/2013 9:49am
500guy wrote:
The Mid-Race penalty was explained that they have precedence in AMA Flat Track and Road Racing and that was the ruling
So they just cherry pick rules from other forms of racing? LMFAO
Do they know that AMA supercross have it`s own rulebook?
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JLong wrote:
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the...
This was more of a question of the position of the last yellow flagger than that of the rules. RV was able to pass when the track went back to yellow. And that he did.
[size=28][color=red]Yellow flag does not nullify red cross flag.[/color][/size]
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Why was none of these questions asked?
3/15/2013 10:08am
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Weege, Matthes & JT$ for life. My ears bleed generally, listening to anyone talk about moto, apart from these guys. Considered, intelligent, interesting. These guys will...
Weege, Matthes & JT$ for life.
My ears bleed generally, listening to anyone talk about moto, apart from these guys.
Considered, intelligent, interesting. These guys will expand the sport.
Listen to DMXS - in-jokes and rubbish, for example, just stupidity.

Make Moto Interesting (TM)
Totally agree. Ping puts his balls on the line sometimes too. He will say it.
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Totally agree. Ping puts his balls on the line sometimes too. He will say it.
Ping also has a day job out of moto...... !

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