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Like the title says, I'm Looking for my MX. Holy Grail, pictures or video of the 1973 Trans-Am at Arizona Cycle park at 16th St. just south of the river bottom.
This was the very first Motocross race I ever saw, I was ten years old and memory's of it are very vague cloudy, I didn't start racing till 4 years later in 1977 at Bee line Motocross, by then the Arizona Cycle Park was long gone.
Some of my older racing buddy's have told me story's about the track and the two Trans-Am races they had there, but I've never seen any write ups in magazines or any picture from that race or any from just weekend races.
What I do remember was my Dad four wheeled his truck through the river bottom and up the side embankment and parked at the top embankment and you could see what I believe was most of the track. The part of the track that I could see all seem to be in a pit or valley below and then the rest of the track seemed to be up on top and on the other side of the pit which I could not see.
Some other things that I remember was the big drop off jump that from were I was watching ( and from a 10 years old first time at a MX race ) looked like it was the biggest drop off Jump ever conceived by anyone even to this day, but I'm sure if I saw the same drop off today I wouldn't think anything of it. But at the time it seemed pretty impressive, It also seemed to about half way down be inverted some what so that if you tried to just ride down it you would drop off and leave the ground no matter what.
There was also a pond or water hole in the middle of the track, and I remember a guy on a green Kawasaki loosing control and going into the pond, I've been told by different people that it was Brad Lackey, but not sure.
Also I remember seeing another bike go flying off the track and running into a bunch of spectators. A child hood friend and race buddy later told me that he and his friends were in that group , and that one of there girl friends was the one that got hit and hurt real bad, I've also been told by someone else that she later died of her injury's, again not 100% sure if true.
The only other thing I remember was right below were I was standing and watching there was a long sweeping curve that had some pretty nasty looking whoops that went all the way up to the upper part of the track that I could not see.
Here's the results from that day , I found them on http://vault.racerxonline.com/
1 Pierre Karsmakers
2 Tim Hart
3 Peter Lamppu
4 Rich Thorwaldson
5 Gary Semics
6 Steve Stackable
7 Mike Runyard
8 Gary Jones
9 Gary Chaplin
10 John DeSoto
11 Brad Lackey
12 Marty Tripes
13 Jim West
I did find this video on Youtube that shows some Phoenix MX tracks from the early 70s and if you look at about the 1:54 mark the track kinda looks like what I remember about the big ACP. down hill drop off and the right turn at the bottom. If any of you old AZ. MXers that were there that day or you use to race there a lot, could watch it and confirm that it is the original ACP. that would be cool.
Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucEMSTWpwfI
Also the video shows what appears to be to other Phx. tracks, the first one I have know idea what track it is maybe ? 80 yard (not sure if that's how it spelled), that's also another track I would like to see picture or video's of. The third track looks like it is out by PIR, I know they had a MX track out there at one time, and they even had National event of some sort, when I looked in the Vault for some result I could not find anything under Phoenix International Raceway, but I found results for a 1976 Fastrack Motocross Park in Phoenix AZ. here are the results.
http://vault.racerxonline.com/1976-04-11/250mx/fastrack-motocross-park
Anyway if any guys have any memory's, info, pics or videos from ACP Trans-Am or any of the other tracks I mention here, please share them, I would love to see or hear anything you guys could come up with. I love hearing and learning about the History of Motocross.
Thanks Mike AKA. ''Donny O' Slow''
This was the very first Motocross race I ever saw, I was ten years old and memory's of it are very vague cloudy, I didn't start racing till 4 years later in 1977 at Bee line Motocross, by then the Arizona Cycle Park was long gone.
Some of my older racing buddy's have told me story's about the track and the two Trans-Am races they had there, but I've never seen any write ups in magazines or any picture from that race or any from just weekend races.
What I do remember was my Dad four wheeled his truck through the river bottom and up the side embankment and parked at the top embankment and you could see what I believe was most of the track. The part of the track that I could see all seem to be in a pit or valley below and then the rest of the track seemed to be up on top and on the other side of the pit which I could not see.
Some other things that I remember was the big drop off jump that from were I was watching ( and from a 10 years old first time at a MX race ) looked like it was the biggest drop off Jump ever conceived by anyone even to this day, but I'm sure if I saw the same drop off today I wouldn't think anything of it. But at the time it seemed pretty impressive, It also seemed to about half way down be inverted some what so that if you tried to just ride down it you would drop off and leave the ground no matter what.
There was also a pond or water hole in the middle of the track, and I remember a guy on a green Kawasaki loosing control and going into the pond, I've been told by different people that it was Brad Lackey, but not sure.
Also I remember seeing another bike go flying off the track and running into a bunch of spectators. A child hood friend and race buddy later told me that he and his friends were in that group , and that one of there girl friends was the one that got hit and hurt real bad, I've also been told by someone else that she later died of her injury's, again not 100% sure if true.
The only other thing I remember was right below were I was standing and watching there was a long sweeping curve that had some pretty nasty looking whoops that went all the way up to the upper part of the track that I could not see.
Here's the results from that day , I found them on http://vault.racerxonline.com/
1 Pierre Karsmakers
2 Tim Hart
3 Peter Lamppu
4 Rich Thorwaldson
5 Gary Semics
6 Steve Stackable
7 Mike Runyard
8 Gary Jones
9 Gary Chaplin
10 John DeSoto
11 Brad Lackey
12 Marty Tripes
13 Jim West
I did find this video on Youtube that shows some Phoenix MX tracks from the early 70s and if you look at about the 1:54 mark the track kinda looks like what I remember about the big ACP. down hill drop off and the right turn at the bottom. If any of you old AZ. MXers that were there that day or you use to race there a lot, could watch it and confirm that it is the original ACP. that would be cool.
Here's the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucEMSTWpwfI
Also the video shows what appears to be to other Phx. tracks, the first one I have know idea what track it is maybe ? 80 yard (not sure if that's how it spelled), that's also another track I would like to see picture or video's of. The third track looks like it is out by PIR, I know they had a MX track out there at one time, and they even had National event of some sort, when I looked in the Vault for some result I could not find anything under Phoenix International Raceway, but I found results for a 1976 Fastrack Motocross Park in Phoenix AZ. here are the results.
http://vault.racerxonline.com/1976-04-11/250mx/fastrack-motocross-park
Anyway if any guys have any memory's, info, pics or videos from ACP Trans-Am or any of the other tracks I mention here, please share them, I would love to see or hear anything you guys could come up with. I love hearing and learning about the History of Motocross.
Thanks Mike AKA. ''Donny O' Slow''
I believe the results shown on the Racer X link are only for "American" riders. You'll notice that the names of DeCoster, Weil, Bauer, Wolsink, etc. are missing. I know Lamppu and Karsmakers are not Americans but I believe they were considered as such since they had been riding the US national MX series. Adolf Weil was the overall winner that day. I'll see if I can find more results in an old magazine.
I think the flier might be from the '72 Trans-AMA series. As I remember it the round in Houston was just before Phoenix in '73. That Houston event was the first time that an American (Jim Weinert) had won an open class overall Trans-AMA race and I was really surprised at the time to see it covered in the local newspaper.
The video looks to have some footage of racing at Manzanita raceway. I used to ride with a guy that had raced some of the motocross there in the early 70's. Another race captured on the film might be a race that was held in the Dreamy Draw area in around '70 or '71. The same guy had raced there and told me about that too.
There were two Fasttrack races. An AMA national as well as a Trans-AMA. I have the race programs for both and some pictures too but they're all black and white and not as nice as the ones for the '73 race.
If you're interested shoot me an e-mail and we can hook up so you can look at all this stuff. I live in south Chandler.
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(JD wrote) >>> I believe the results shown on the Racer X link are only for "American" riders. You'll notice that the names of DeCoster, Weil, Bauer, Wolsink, etc. are missing. I know Lamppu and Karsmakers are not Americans but I believe they were considered as such since they had been riding the US national MX series. Adolf Weil was the overall winner that day.
I just noticed that the other day as well and was trying to figure that out .
I would definite like to hook up with you some time to check out what you have, but I just lost my job and I'm real short on money, I live in NE. Phx. and cant really afford to drive to much right now.
You don't by chance have a way to scan and post the pictures you have ? if not I'm sure sometime in the future I could make it out your way.
Thanks for the info.
Mike
JD147, I'd really like to see some of your old pictures. Seems we were at the same places at the same time. Gimme a call
Bill @ Motorcycle Accessory Shop 480-835-6228
Are you in any of the video ?
Hey the Dreamy Draw track was it close to were the Mountain preserve is now ?
Well it looks like I found part of my Grail, can't wait to see JDs old pics.
What hours are you open on Fridays? I'll stop by with some pictures and programs.
JD
Bill
JD wrote>>> Bill, What hours are you open on Fridays? I'll stop by with some pictures and programs.
Hey JD are you going to stop by Bills tomorrow ? if so what time ? maybe I could meet you guys up there . Bills place is not to far from were I'm at tomorrow.
Sorry I wasn't able to meet up with you today when I was at Bill's. I'm off on most Friday's and would be willing to meet you there if we can agree on a time. Bill scanned some of the images and program covers so you may have already seen some of the goods by now and may not be interested in any more.
Let me know.
JD
yea that was to bad I could not be there, I talk to Bill and he said you guys spent a lot of time reminiscing about all this, and he said, come to find out, you guys knew each other back then, that cool you guys could reunite after all the years about this race and racing back then.
Yea Bill said he scanned some and when he had time he would try to post them here , if thats alright with you.
I would still like to see everything you have, so yea If we could meet up there maybe next Friday late in the afternoon if possible ? that would be great.
Let me know.
Thanks Mike
It turns out I'm not going to be able to make up to Bill's this weekend. If it works for you how about somtime on Friday 3/22 or any time before 2PM on Saturday 3/23?
JD
Are we on for tomorrow at Bill's? I'm available from 4-6PM.
JD
Looking forward to it.
Mike
Take care.
Mike
Pit Row
Check it out, here it is.
Hey TH35, that's awesome that you went to all those races, do you have any pictures from any of those races ?
I manage to find a picture from 1973, of the Big Downhill Seventy footer on facebook, check it out.
Also Fastback raceway is PIR 1976 I raced in the support 500 class there on a CZ. Rodger Jones from AZ. also raced in the 250 and placed mid way that night at Fastback. I have a few pics from that night but will have to dig them up.
Bret
Looks like an awesome track and good racing.
Also, fun to read the race coverage, interesting how that aspect has changed over the years.
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