JS7 Go Pro Crash

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smeg 1/30/2013 3:54pm
1/30/2013 3:54pm
First turn...... Short straight with an easy double right before a 180 turn..... rhythm section.

That gives the race for the holeshot. Then short acceleration followed by a safe double you cant try and banzai due to it being so close to the turn. That would give time to get the top 6-7 sorted out fairly quickly and safely.
Whoops_Blitzer 1/30/2013 4:01pm
1/30/2013 4:01pm
http://www.supercrossonline.com/uploadedImages/SanDiegoSX13_650.jpg?n=557

I like the start at San Diego in just a few rounds, that type seems the least likely to collect bodies. A gentle first turn and the second turn way in the far corner of the stadium. It'd be even better if that second turn was a 90 degree left, though...hint hint

Also make the turn WIDER so riders aren't forced into the blocks all the time. It sucks for them and it sucks for us.
googs the 2nd 1/30/2013 4:40pm
1/30/2013 4:40pm
BobbyM wrote:
it appears that reed had a lead on milsaps but then milsaps catches up and blows by reed like he missed a shift of something
nail on head!

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The Universe 1/30/2013 7:30pm
1/30/2013 7:30pm
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Honestly, I thought the rollers/mild rhythm sections that have been used in a couple of the prior rounds in the series this year did fairly good...
Honestly, I thought the rollers/mild rhythm sections that have been used in a couple of the prior rounds in the series this year did fairly good job of creating a bit of separation with being so technical that there were treacherous when crowded at the start, at least better than a whoop section beaten down at the end of the night.

But in the same way football teams use film to scout, it would not be that hard for the Feld/FIM/AMA/Teams to isolate starts from the past races and seasons and look for patterns that seem more prone to create problems with a pack at the start and those that facilitate everyone getting through as safely as possible. They may even be doing that now. And, of course, you'll never eliminate all incidents.
The last sentence of your reply sums it up. There will always be first/second turn crashes. Period, end of story. Starts are important, primarily for that reason.

It doesn't matter what they do, there will always be crashes at the beginning of races just like there will be forums full of armchair track builders questioning the work of those that actually do it.
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mjskier 1/30/2013 9:20pm
1/30/2013 9:20pm
40 guys going into a funnel is going to create crashes, not matter what you put at the end of the straight.
The only way around that would be a staggered start like they do with car and GP racing.
I think they should experiment. I'd like to see one race where they try an old LeMan style start: Run across the start to your bike.
For extra fun same deal, but you can grab whatever bike you like if you are there first :-)
ToolMaker 1/30/2013 9:29pm
1/30/2013 9:29pm
Also consider this year you have way more guys running so close in speed. The competition is way more intense this year, that alone will cause more accidents as guys don't want to back off.
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dave.bonz.9 1/31/2013 12:06am
1/31/2013 12:06am Edited Date/Time 1/31/2013 12:14am
bns99121 wrote:
Looks like Chad moved over on him, although probably not on purpose.
dave.bonz.9 wrote:
Just saying... I can make a 2 hr long movie on JS crashes over the last 2 years,, NO JOKE ! the guy needs to be...
Just saying... I can make a 2 hr long movie on JS crashes over the last 2 years,, NO JOKE ! the guy needs to be aware of who's around him and make moves to stay away from guys that might get into you..It's better to be in 7 or 8th after the first corner then try to push it hard and get droped out of the race or back to the back of the pack... as soon as he or i would have seen reed come over on him or me,,,i would have been hard on the brakes to avoid that,,, but tht's just me. some times it's better to let up,,,then go full out and crash again,,,( look rv was in about 8 or 9th on the start,,,he let up big time ,,took the inside line and came out first !!!!! ( that's what i'm talking about ) with james he only thinks about what he want's to do,,and none of the other riders right next to him,,,
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Bonz your an idiot. If he slammed on the brakes or let off he would have caused a 15 bike pile up and possibly injured even...
Bonz your an idiot. If he slammed on the brakes or let off he would have caused a 15 bike pile up and possibly injured even more. Plus Chad would still have whiskey throttled to a crash.

Do you race?
# 1 yaaa i ride ,,,and been riding longer then you been LIVING !!!! # 2 I watched the video 4 times,,, # 3 right when reed and the other guy got together if he would ( let up on the gas a little ) he would have made it around the corner without crashing again,,were talking about a guy ( that's crashed about 20 TIMES ) in the last ( 2 ) years in sx ...he crashes all the time because of the DUMB THINGS HE DOES ON THE TRACK !!!! and as far as if someone put on the brakes a little i don't slam into them i go AROUND THEM but that's just me... go look at the video when the two guys touch there 239 feet away from the berm,, that's plenty of time to do something " like take the inside line like the other 15 riders DID !! I been watchin JS crash for the last 10 years 97.6 % of his crashes are all his fualt .. nuff said



here's the deal if you DON'T LET UP SOMETIMES ... you wont win any / many championships GOT IT
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Motodude 1/31/2013 5:57am
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BobbyM wrote:
it appears that reed had a lead on milsaps but then milsaps catches up and blows by reed like he missed a shift of something
googs the 2nd wrote:
nail on head!
Good logic, except these guys hardly change out of 3rd. Back to your nanna nap granpops.
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dlhamblin 1/31/2013 8:51am
1/31/2013 8:51am
Gym Briggs wrote:
If you watch closely DM18 clips reeds tire. Reedy then planted his right foot (explains the MRI) to save himself but it shoots him right. You...
If you watch closely DM18 clips reeds tire. Reedy then planted his right foot (explains the MRI) to save himself but it shoots him right. You honestly cant blame anyone. It was Davi who got Reedy going the direction he did. Its a racing incident.
Thats what I saw as well. Sh@% happens especially at the first couple turns.
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FreshTopEnd 1/31/2013 8:57am
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The Universe wrote:
The last sentence of your reply sums it up. There will always be first/second turn crashes. Period, end of story. Starts are important, primarily for that...
The last sentence of your reply sums it up. There will always be first/second turn crashes. Period, end of story. Starts are important, primarily for that reason.

It doesn't matter what they do, there will always be crashes at the beginning of races just like there will be forums full of armchair track builders questioning the work of those that actually do it.
The fact crashes can't be eliminated doesn't mean you can't steer away from some features in some places where a different feature allows for a bit more margin for error. They already do that, and it's a process that never ends.
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Motodude 1/31/2013 9:15pm
1/31/2013 9:15pm
Its racing and shit happens. Do we bubble wrap the field until they spread out..how about a rolling start? Having soft whoops after the first turn is not smart though. A tougher slower whoops section would be better, therefore there'd be less speed involved in the event of someone making a mistake. Just my opinion as a former championship winning rider.

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