Proof the Sandy Hook Shootings were a hoax

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12/31/2012 9:12am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2012 9:27am
I don't know about that....
That is weird though.
I would want to see the origional photos with the EXIF data before I began to buy that story.


You know what is odd though,is when I seen that guy (the Father) give his speech live on CNN....
I kept noticing his micro-expressions,eye movements,lack of contact and nods he was doing...it all stood out to me and couldn't help but notice it.Maybe some of you guys did also that watched it on the news....

During interrogations that is stuff you/they look for and pay close attention to.
However,I do not know if it could have been from him being traumatized though.
It could have simply been a way he was dealing with his feelings and the attention from the media.
That is sorta what I just assumed at the time.But also kept thinking he looked awfully odd for someone who had just
experienced a tragedy of that extent.Odd in a sense that most people look quite bit more down in a calmer sense.

But if I was asking him questions and he was doing all that stuff ,I surely wouldn't buy all he was saying just based on what he was doing.

Another thing a lot of people do is....they smile before they lie.
Some try to hide it by looking down and not making eye contact with anyone while grinning.

I don't know...
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12/31/2012 9:57am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2012 10:04am
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
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12/31/2012 10:16am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
I always laugh at conspiracy theorists...and that it was I think of this one.

But, since you brought it up...I will comment on the Mormon views on death.

Mormons believe that "families are forever" in the sense that the family unit will still be such after death (we will see our family members again, and they will still be our family members), and that death in this life is only temporary as all will be resurrected (because Jesus was resurrected). And further, we believe that death is a necessary part of Gods plan.

All of that means that, to us, death is a temporary and necessary part of Gods plan for us. And as such is a temporary goodbye for us on the earth, but a huge reunion for those family members (grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins) that have passed away before. Thus removing the "sting", and despair, and finality of death which makes it far more easy to handle and endure the loss of a loved one.

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12/31/2012 10:18am
The family picture of the Parkers is a different set of children than those in the Obama photo. Regardless, people who look for things like this to claim that 20 children weren't massacred by a lunatic with an assault rifle, because that's inconvenient for those other idiots who want to own them, are the most pathetic people on Earth.
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12/31/2012 10:20am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
Titan1 wrote:
I always laugh at conspiracy theorists...and that it was I think of this one. But, since you brought it up...I will comment on the Mormon views...
I always laugh at conspiracy theorists...and that it was I think of this one.

But, since you brought it up...I will comment on the Mormon views on death.

Mormons believe that "families are forever" in the sense that the family unit will still be such after death (we will see our family members again, and they will still be our family members), and that death in this life is only temporary as all will be resurrected (because Jesus was resurrected). And further, we believe that death is a necessary part of Gods plan.

All of that means that, to us, death is a temporary and necessary part of Gods plan for us. And as such is a temporary goodbye for us on the earth, but a huge reunion for those family members (grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins) that have passed away before. Thus removing the "sting", and despair, and finality of death which makes it far more easy to handle and endure the loss of a loved one.
Which would explain both this fathers' reaction and my coworkers'.
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12/31/2012 10:21am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
I'm not saying it didn't happen,I really wish it didn't happen though.
But I think we are all more then certain it did happen,unfortunately.

I did however think the fathers micro-expressions,eye movements,lack of contact and nods were odd to me when I was watching it live.But like I said,it more then likely was from the tragedy & attention of the media.I'm pretty good at noticing that stuff especially when one is social engineering a group of people.
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12/31/2012 10:27am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2012 10:30am
flarider wrote:
I don't buy the conspiracy thing, but the photo below is from ABC News [img]https://a.abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_barack_obama_ss_w_newtown_jp_121217_wmain.jpg[/img] http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/imageDetail?format=plain&source=http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/ht_barack_obama_ss_w_newtown_jp_121217 Might be a similar looking child or relative and not...
I don't buy the conspiracy thing, but the photo below is from ABC News




http://abcnews.go.com/meta/search/imageDetail?format=plain&source=http:…



Might be a similar looking child or relative and not impossible they had same dresses, especially in a small town.
Pretty sure some of the siblings & friends wore their deceased siblings/friends clothes to feel closer to them.
I remember hearing something about that the night of service on the news.
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12/31/2012 10:38am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
I'm not saying they didn't happen. I'm saying the whole point of it was for the us gov to have more control over its citizens (gun control). And u can clearly see she is the same person who was claimed dead. Anyone can see that
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12/31/2012 10:55am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
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I'm not saying it didn't happen,I really wish it didn't happen though. But I think we are all more then certain it did happen,unfortunately. I did...
I'm not saying it didn't happen,I really wish it didn't happen though.
But I think we are all more then certain it did happen,unfortunately.

I did however think the fathers micro-expressions,eye movements,lack of contact and nods were odd to me when I was watching it live.But like I said,it more then likely was from the tragedy & attention of the media.I'm pretty good at noticing that stuff especially when one is social engineering a group of people.
It's hard to determine what the gestures and movements mean without first establishing some baselines. To use expressions and such, you almost need to be in a near interrogation mode, and note reactions to questions with absolutely known answers first. Without that, there really is no frame of reference. Some people look down and to the left when lying, others up and to the right, and so forth. Without seeing the reaction they have while answering questions truthfully, there's really no way of knowing.
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12/31/2012 11:02am
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
I'm not saying they didn't happen. I'm saying the whole point of it was for the us gov to have more control over its citizens (gun...
I'm not saying they didn't happen. I'm saying the whole point of it was for the us gov to have more control over its citizens (gun control). And u can clearly see she is the same person who was claimed dead. Anyone can see that
You're clearly not bright enough to own a gun. Or post here.
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12/31/2012 11:25am Edited Date/Time 12/31/2012 11:26am
APLMAN99 wrote:
It's hard to determine what the gestures and movements mean without first establishing some baselines. To use expressions and such, you almost need to be in...
It's hard to determine what the gestures and movements mean without first establishing some baselines. To use expressions and such, you almost need to be in a near interrogation mode, and note reactions to questions with absolutely known answers first. Without that, there really is no frame of reference. Some people look down and to the left when lying, others up and to the right, and so forth. Without seeing the reaction they have while answering questions truthfully, there's really no way of knowing.
Oh,I know it's VERY hard to determine without watching behavior changes.
But even sometimes without ever even meeting a person and not personally questioning them it becomes quite obvious and can make you think twice.You can even watch hand movement for instance,like when someone is giving a sales pitch.
It's never a bullet proof thing,but it can make you twink twice about doing business with them or falling for their scam.
Maybe even look into things a bit father.
12/31/2012 12:06pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
The family picture of the Parkers is a different set of children than those in the Obama photo. Regardless, people who look for things like this...
The family picture of the Parkers is a different set of children than those in the Obama photo. Regardless, people who look for things like this to claim that 20 children weren't massacred by a lunatic with an assault rifle, because that's inconvenient for those other idiots who want to own them, are the most pathetic people on Earth.
Go ahead, keep covering your eyes and ears and believing whatever makes you feel warm and cozy and lets you sleep at night.


Whenever innocent blood is shed like this, and there is suspicious activity that would lead to questions, I think we owe it to those children to be mature enough to ask those questions, even if they require us to question the motives and morals of those whom we hold in high regard. We should be demanding answers and full explanations, instead of accepting things to get swept under the rug and attacking those who stand up for those kids and are willing to at least ask questions and seek justice.

If it was only one thing that was suspicious I would say it wasn't anything, but there are sooo many loose ends with this story along with the Aurora one that I refuse to be spoonfed canned answers by the news, answers that don't make sense and just avoid the issues.

Those kids died, and it is up to us who remain alive to find out why.

Why did cops at both shootings initially radio that they suspected 2 shooters?
Why were two suspects arrested at both locations and later all the blame placed only on one of them?
Why did living witnesses from Aurora say there were two people throwing gas canisters?
Why did they find a second gas mask outside the movie theater?
Why all of the changes in the story about Sandy Hook?
Why the suspicious reaction by the parents?
Why was a preview for a movie about gangsters that shoot up a movie theater shown just before the shooting in Aurora?
Why was the name of the Island south of Gotham city where the first attack happened in the Batman movie changed to Sandy Hook changed just prior to the release of this movie?
Why were random people mailed copies of the new Gotham City map just prior to the release?
Why is the suspect at Aurora claiming he was programmed to kill


I'm not alluding to anything here, you make your own conclusions. I don't even know for sure what the evidence is, I just believe we owe it to those kids to at the very least seek out the truth and make sure the right people are ending up behind bars. Otherwise it is bound to happen again, regardless of gun laws. If we are wrong and there is nothing there we loose nothing.


BTW, I don't even own a gun so don't start accusing me of being a self interested gun nut.
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12/31/2012 12:53pm
WhKnuckle wrote:
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic. Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very...
So you're saying that the Sandy Hook massacre didn't happen? Pathetic.

Since this family lives in Utah, I'm assuming they're Mormons, and Mormons have some very odd ideas about death. I was working with a Mormon who is an official at his church, and his father In law died. I assumed he was going back home to be with his wife, and he said why bother, when I get home he'll still be dead. He was making lots of overtime working down here, that was more important to him. It was the strangest reaction to death that I've ever witnessed.

At the end of the day, the video of the girl with Obama is clearly a fake, and the father's reaction could be explained any of several ways. It's as pathetic as those lunatics who claim (still) that 911 was an inside job by the Bush administration.
they were LDS and the father and mother grew up about 5 houses from where I currently live in Ogden, UT. the last couple weeks have been pretty overwhelming driving down the road, as the church next to my house, went around the neighborhood hanging pink ribbons on every tree, fence post, mail-box, etc. it's a very touching sight.

i also attended her public viewing/memorial at the church next to my house, i didn't see her family nor did i expect to. and another note, there were i would guess close to 300 harley/bikers that attended the service. every one of them had pink bandannas or ribbons hanging from their usual all black leathers and black bikes.

a sad sad deal, whether it was set up or not.
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1/1/2013 12:22pm
Are people seriously suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government plot or something?
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I'm not getting this....wtf is going on. Are you say this girl not on of the kids killed and that the father is an actor or something?Unsure
1/1/2013 7:05pm
TerryK wrote:
Are people seriously suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government plot or something?
Are you seriously saying its not possible?
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1/1/2013 7:22pm
TerryK wrote:
Are people seriously suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government plot or something?
Are you seriously saying its not possible?
Wow.
1/1/2013 7:28pm
Not so sure whats so "wow" about that. But ok. I guess you dont think its possible.
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Not so sure whats so "wow" about that. But ok. I guess you dont think its possible.
And we all know...if guyb doesn't think it's possible, there is NO WAY that it can be......
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1/3/2013 3:23pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2013 3:25pm
TerryK wrote:
Are people seriously suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government plot or something?
Are you seriously saying its not possible?
Wow. And I caught flak form my Future Priorities post?! What the hell are you on? I'm smarter drunk than you are sober. Where the hell do you get that info? How the hell do you think it is a conspiracy with so many witnesses. Damn man...find a rehab center....or a pych....

The Mormons that wear their magic underwear and that Joseph Smith re-translated the bible wearing a magic fucking hat?! Or the golden plates? Damn than must have been some good weed or LSD.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates

I guess it isn't that different from the 10 commandment tablets...at least there is reason in those.

My heart goes out to all families that have lost loved ones in all of the recent tragedies.

Peace.

And if that was a fishing expidition....you suck. I hope Jaws eats you like he did Dryefuss.....
1/3/2013 3:47pm
TerryK wrote:
Are people seriously suggesting that the Sandy Hook shooting was a government plot or something?
Are you seriously saying its not possible?
Spahnzuki wrote:
Wow. And I caught flak form my Future Priorities post?! What the hell are you on? I'm smarter drunk than you are sober. Where the hell...
Wow. And I caught flak form my Future Priorities post?! What the hell are you on? I'm smarter drunk than you are sober. Where the hell do you get that info? How the hell do you think it is a conspiracy with so many witnesses. Damn man...find a rehab center....or a pych....

The Mormons that wear their magic underwear and that Joseph Smith re-translated the bible wearing a magic fucking hat?! Or the golden plates? Damn than must have been some good weed or LSD.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates

I guess it isn't that different from the 10 commandment tablets...at least there is reason in those.

My heart goes out to all families that have lost loved ones in all of the recent tragedies.

Peace.

And if that was a fishing expidition....you suck. I hope Jaws eats you like he did Dryefuss.....
Hey there smarty pants. I think its you that needs to lay off the weed and or LSD. What "info" did I post? When did I say I think it is a conspiracy? What witnesses? Oh you mean the ones that said they saw a second man in cuffs and in a cruiser? Or the ones the witnessed the cops chase a second man into the woods? Or the ones that the cops told to close their eyes before they left the rooms they locked themselves in? Damn man, go to AA. You shouldn't drink and type.
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1/5/2013 11:21am
Conspiracy theorists are hilarious. Some are so bad that it consumes their entire being. Pretty fucking stupid to waste your life in fear and looking over your shoulder all the time.

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