6D helmets Omni-Directional suspension

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12/2/2012 4:19pm
I was reading some more information regarding this helmet on another site and it states that another feature of the helmet is "Other features unique to the 6D ATR-1 include a Clavicle Cut-Away to reduce collarbone injuries". How will this work with neck braces? (and please don't turn this thread into a debate about braces)

Just curious since it looks like more of the outer shell has been removed from that area. Either way, I can't wait for the helmet to arrive. Anything that can better protect my kids will be in the gear bag!

Also, any idea what distributors will carry the helmet?
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12/2/2012 5:37pm
DrSweden wrote:
Holy crap. That sounds awful, both for the guy and us beleiving in the helmet.... Sad
Who's the us in your statement? Wink
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12/2/2012 6:43pm
I gotta admit, the engineer in me was like a kid in a candy store when they were explaining the helmets technology, development process, testing procedures, etc. I'm really curious to see how these work out and if in fact we see a decrease in concussions from the design. Of course it would be very difficult to track, much like the whole Leatt protection debate, but in the end I'm extremely happy to see some new technology come to market for the MX consumer.

Steve....good job of relaying what was said there on Friday....sorry I didn't have a chance to say hi....you were too busy at the front of class paying attention!!
12/2/2012 7:14pm
To the guys that have no problem throwing down $800 for a helmet, is there a max on what you would pay? If someone could make one 5% safer than this for say $1600 would the same " I guess you're head isn't worth $1600?" line apply...

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12/3/2012 5:20am Edited Date/Time 12/3/2012 5:23am
To the guys that have no problem throwing down $800 for a helmet, is there a max on what you would pay? If someone could make...
To the guys that have no problem throwing down $800 for a helmet, is there a max on what you would pay? If someone could make one 5% safer than this for say $1600 would the same " I guess you're head isn't worth $1600?" line apply...
Kind of a tricky question but I would say yes, I would go for it eventually. A seen in this Leatt Brace picture, most of us are already paying for ~20% more safety (outside of the 46% parameter). I wouldn't be able to live with the idea that I could do more to protect myself. Or even worse, have a crash and then realize I could've done more to protect myself.


Although I must say an $800 increase for 5% is really steep Smile .

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12/3/2012 7:05am
To the guys that have no problem throwing down $800 for a helmet, is there a max on what you would pay? If someone could make...
To the guys that have no problem throwing down $800 for a helmet, is there a max on what you would pay? If someone could make one 5% safer than this for say $1600 would the same " I guess you're head isn't worth $1600?" line apply...
Yea that Statement makes me Insane !!!!!! I think my head is worth more than $150 or $750 or even $75,000. Without a brain what do I have ?
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12/3/2012 7:37am
Big Daddy wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/30/10_Bell_154524.jpg[/img] I'm old enough to remember this Bell ad. It was clever then, and the message applies today as well.


I'm old enough to remember this Bell ad. It was clever then, and the message applies today as well.
and now you can buy $10 Bell Helmets at your local Walmart.
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12/3/2012 10:57am
I like it. Just waiting for them to get back to me on sizing.
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12/3/2012 1:04pm
6D is onto something here. Ground breaking. Bob Weber has spent the last few years with a vision to make the sport safer for everyone. The research and development into this concept and product is there. I hope this takes off for them.

I applaud 6D. Way to change the game!
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12/3/2012 2:58pm
DrSweden wrote:
Holy crap. That sounds awful, both for the guy and us beleiving in the helmet.... Sad
GuyB wrote:
Who's the us in your statement? Wink
Eh? Maybe bad english, but the hundreds or thousand of people buying/putting our faith in the Airoh helmets being "better"... I ditched my $500 Shoei for an $500 Airoh, meanwhile my garage is already filled with another $700 Arai, and a $900 Fox RC-replica, $400 TLD... My anxiety is making my wallet glow...
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12/3/2012 4:02pm
i'm glad to see evolution in the protective tech of helmets over simply aesthetic changes and new graphics.

this is a great new tech to see on the horizon.
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12/3/2012 6:31pm Edited Date/Time 12/3/2012 6:38pm
All I wanna know is Jeff Ward gonna buy a dozen of them for James Stewart? I kid, I kid ..

Anything that helps prevent or reduce the severity of brain injuries gets a thumbs of from this guy. Trauma to the dome blows!
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12/3/2012 6:44pm
WeiserGuy wrote:
All I wanna know is Jeff Ward gonna buy a dozen of them for James Stewart? I kid, I kid .. Anything that helps prevent or...
All I wanna know is Jeff Ward gonna buy a dozen of them for James Stewart? I kid, I kid ..

Anything that helps prevent or reduce the severity of brain injuries gets a thumbs of from this guy. Trauma to the dome blows!
Jeff Ward? James Stewart? I guess I'm dense. I don't get the connection.
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12/3/2012 9:44pm
WeiserGuy wrote:
All I wanna know is Jeff Ward gonna buy a dozen of them for James Stewart? I kid, I kid .. Anything that helps prevent or...
All I wanna know is Jeff Ward gonna buy a dozen of them for James Stewart? I kid, I kid ..

Anything that helps prevent or reduce the severity of brain injuries gets a thumbs of from this guy. Trauma to the dome blows!
GuyB wrote:
Jeff Ward? James Stewart? I guess I'm dense. I don't get the connection.
Wardy went on record I think saying James has taken too many shots to the head and is a lil punch drunk.

As to the technology, I think it is very interesting. I know Bob and he is a great guy. I wish him well on this project.

Actually TLD addressed the low speed impact issue when they released the SE3. There is a layer of EVA foam over the dual EPS that absorbs the smaller low speed impacts. There used to be a video on the TLD website but I think they changed it now.
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2/22/2013 8:37am
most helmets aren't rated to be safe after dropping it just one time these things may be expensive but when it comes to slamming your head into the ground its totally worth it to prevent serious injuries, these are better than anything on the market and its about time someone offered a product this good that really takes into consideration your safety. after looking online I found these available and the graphics look awesome http://www.bigstcharlesmotorsports.com/productgroups.htm?custom=5
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10/3/2013 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 10/4/2013 7:39am
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the dough out of concern of my noggin. I have a question though and was wonder if anyone has any input on this. They talk a lot about the low speed impacts, the effects of them, and how this helmet helps with protecting the dome during these lower speed impacts, but what about the higher speed swaps and high sides(in particular, like the ones that shatter my shoulder blade and cause multiple ligaments in my shoulder to be mince meat). Is this just as effective as say Arai, Airoh, Bell, Shoei in these hits? Is it better/worse? Also, since its out there what do current user think of their fit and function?
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10/3/2013 2:59pm
Kryan5 wrote:
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the...
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the dough out of concern of my noggin. I have a question though and was wonder if anyone has any input on this. They talk a lot about the low speed impacts, the effects of them, and how this helmet helps with protecting the dome during these lower speed impacts, but what about the higher speed swaps and high sides(in particular, like the ones that shatter my shoulder blade and cause multiple ligaments in my shoulder to be mince meat). Is this just as effective as say Arai, Airoh, Bell, Shoei in these hits? Is it better/worse? Also, since its out there what do current user think of their fit and function?
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10/4/2013 7:37am
Kryan5 wrote:
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the...
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the dough out of concern of my noggin. I have a question though and was wonder if anyone has any input on this. They talk a lot about the low speed impacts, the effects of them, and how this helmet helps with protecting the dome during these lower speed impacts, but what about the higher speed swaps and high sides(in particular, like the ones that shatter my shoulder blade and cause multiple ligaments in my shoulder to be mince meat). Is this just as effective as say Arai, Airoh, Bell, Shoei in these hits? Is it better/worse? Also, since its out there what do current user think of their fit and function?
Zaugg wrote:
Thanks Zuagg, but thoes topics don't answer my question. They just basically argue the price....
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10/4/2013 8:26am
@ Kryan5

I think if you sort through these threads there's a couple opinions on the helmets themselves.

To answer one of your questions, 6D helmets are as effective as the brands you've mentioned.

To answer another of your questions, the helmet is designed to protect you from BOTH low speed impacts as well as high speed impacts. They also are designed to protect your from head from angular impacts. Their website is no joke. Browse around and educate yourself. There's a reason they're called 6D. Also check out the 2 features we did on the helmets and the company.

http://www.vitalmx.com/photos/features/6D-Helmets,37577/Slideshow,0/bayodome,1067

and

http://www.vitalmx.com/product/guide/Helmets,24/6D-Helmets/ATR-1,8966#product-reviews/621

Finally, The shell is a little bigger but not by much. I think if you look at the technology,it's a definite change in the right direction for helmet design. I've tried on a couple different sizes and I like them. For reference, I gravitate towards Bell, Arai, and TLD as far as fit goes. Shoei and Fox helmets don't fit me correctly although they are nice helmets. The Airoh and Suomy are also nice fitting helmets and light as hell. (Personally I think if a helmet is super light, you might be sacrificing something. But that's just my personal opinion...which is why I wear a moto helmet when I ride DH MTB.)

Why do I know and care so much? Well for one, I've educated myself and I've actually talked at length with Bob from 6D. Secondly, over Labor day, I crashed pretty hard. In the process I was knocked out for some 30 or more seconds. 5+ weeks later I'm still feeling the effects of the concussion. The damage sustained to my noggin was more severe than I expected. My next helmet is going to be a 6D. FYI, the helmet I was using, which was a high end helmet, was insufficient and the foam was maybe too hard....and if you crash this hard you should replace your helmet anyway. (I'll refrain from bashing this helmet company as I still think they make good products but it's none of the brands you or I mentioned.)

There you go. If you really want more opinions start a new thread asking for opinions about fit and safety.
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10/4/2013 8:33am
Thanks Zuagg! Now if I only knew why Geico got rid of the 6D's. haha. Hopefully it was just because of monetary reasons.
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10/4/2013 10:44am
Kryan5 wrote:
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the...
So back on the market for my yearly new helmet, especially after the licks it unfortunately took this year, and I am considering coughing up the dough out of concern of my noggin. I have a question though and was wonder if anyone has any input on this. They talk a lot about the low speed impacts, the effects of them, and how this helmet helps with protecting the dome during these lower speed impacts, but what about the higher speed swaps and high sides(in particular, like the ones that shatter my shoulder blade and cause multiple ligaments in my shoulder to be mince meat). Is this just as effective as say Arai, Airoh, Bell, Shoei in these hits? Is it better/worse? Also, since its out there what do current user think of their fit and function?
Zaugg wrote:
Kryan5 wrote:
Thanks Zuagg, but thoes topics don't answer my question. They just basically argue the price....
Kryan....

Your interpretation of low speed (incorrect) v. low threshold energy (correct) needs to be re-calibrated. 6D's technology addresses low threshold energy absorbed by the helmet, which is what virtually any crash in the off-road/motocross world causes. Even your worst tapped-out, high-speed, swap, cartwheel, rag-doll crash (i think that covers 'em all) on a dirt bike still falls within the category of low threshold energy. Your traditional premium helmets, which are Snell approved, are built to protect against the most severe HIGH threshold energy since Snell is a general standard covering all forms of motorcycle helmets, of which street riding is the most predominant. So those other premium off-road helmets are still built to protect a street rider who may crash at much higher speeds, and with greater likelihood of hitting a sharp piercing object.

The off-road world just doesn't see those kind of crashes, so it needs a helmet that can absorb the hits in a different manner. The solution is the 27 rubber hour-glass shaped dampers in 6D's helmet, which provide the suspension to absorb those g-forces and reduce the energy transferred to your skull and brain. Also, since the 6D helmet is ECE and DOT approved, but not Snell approved, the helmet shell can be built to also absorb the energy better than the very hard Snell approved helmets.

The perfect case-study is Zach Bell's crash at his first SX race. First he fell out of the sky off a triple and hit virtually rock-hard ground with his head and didn't sustain a concussion. Then in the main event he again lost control and went head first into a berm. Both crashes are about as bad as you can find on a dirt bike in terms of hitting your head and the concussive effects of those crashes were still significantly mitigated because of 6D's technology solution addressing low threshold energy.

If you want further explanation, check out www.6dhelmets.com and/or give them a call.
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10/4/2013 10:56am
Thanks for the info ESQ
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10/4/2013 11:15am
Kryan5 wrote:
Thanks Zuagg! Now if I only knew why Geico got rid of the 6D's. haha. Hopefully it was just because of monetary reasons.
The Geico team still uses 6D helmets for all of the 250 riders. The 450 riders have the freedom to do their own personal gear deals.

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