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Good luck changing people like this, its beyond my patience.
garunteed, more than 75% of parents yelling at their kids
to do these jumps or Go Faster, wouldnt/didnt have the balls
to do it on their own, but little johnny is gonna b a damn pro!
Take away the stupidity of the american people, and our sport
is safe. Till then, golf is where its at for me and my little one.
And as far aS people accepting responsibility for their actions,
forget it, that time is long gone, its every one else's fault anymore
not the parents or the kids these jackholes are producing!
Technology at the lowest age level of the sport has significantly cut our numbers of kids starting out. They can no longer go spend $850 on a PW, gear, gas can, and tools then go to a track and be competitive.
The older kids going after the elite 5 top spots for a dream...
Inside the outdoors is showing a much different side of the sport than we've seen before. It's very interesting getting an inside look at that detail so far..
"Motocross is dangerous."
You can quote me on that
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Do you have kids?
Going back to the latest "inside the outdoor" with the little kid pushed to make the jump at the MTF. This is what it takes now to be competitive. As much as I love riding and watching races, when I see parents pushing young kids like this I'm thinking WTF???
That does say alot !!
I simply don't understand "the problem."
@Dirtysmile56 - no, I don't have kids, but when I do, my son and I will be out riding on the trails, in Baja or out in the desert. I'm not going to take my kid to a motocross track until I know he's confident and skilled on a bike. I have friends with kids and we ride at the track with them all the time. They are sensible enough to stay away from the big stuff. The important thing is - they have the choice and use discretion, even with their big fancy modern suspension and four stroke motors.
i do however agree with the personal responsibility part to your OP
my brother is a pilot and he always says the worst things you can hear when flying with someone is, "let me try something" or " check this out" I guess the same applies to our sport!
i do however agree with the personal responsibility part to your OP
my brother is a pilot and he always says the worst things you can hear when flying with someone is, "let me try something" or " check this out" I guess the same applies to our sport!
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We know what the limits are, now we need to minimize the likelihood of reaching those limits.
Protective equipment hasn't kept up with the bike development and it's reasonable to think they wont be able to anytime soon.
Limiting suspension travel seems logical but I would be concerned about a rider hucking the big one (the part of the track nobody thought was possible) anyway.
Power would have to be limited dramatically and may in some instances make things more dangerous.
Track layout guidelines seems IMO to be the most logical solution. Take the extreme example of Endurocross. plenty of action but relatively low speeds.
You can design an MX track to be challenging and safe.
You can still have fast sections (sweepers straights without jumps etc...) but reduce speeds in probable impact zones.
Suspension will effect some but not all. The fast guys are always going to push the limits.
If the tracks were designed different, it wouldn't matter how much suspension or how fast the bike was, your only going to go as fast or high or far as the track will allow. Fine line between fun exciting and safe at the same time.
Back in '07' ..racing at Speedworld in Az, Dave Coupe was airing out his 1974 Elsinore 250 over a 90ft table successfully lap after lap. Once a racer always a racer.
I wonder if Dave would of done that with a gap in between? he,he
Keep in mind, suspension was not my only suggestion in my initial post
Jumps that were exciting and difficult to do on a 2 stroke are now easy to do on the 4 strokes so the tracks build bigger jumps to exite those riding the 4 strokes.
My suggestion is slow the 4 strokes down (suspension or motor) so it takes some skill to complete these harder obsticles. If your wringing out a 125 to try and get over a tripple your going to think twice about doing it, but if you have tons of power with a 250f your not going to think twice your just going to huck it.
With 125s back we would atleast have a good step again between 80's and 250's.
Give a C rider a 250f and tell him to hit a tripple out of a corner and he will give it a shot, give the same C rider a 125 and tell him to do it and he will have to learn how to really ride before he gives it a shot.
and daves idea is magnified 100 times after watching this vid
We don't run 87 octane in racing engines so why should the elite athletes be any different.
When these discussions come up there are usually three variables that are mentioned: tracks, progression level of the sport, and technology. For the sake of this discussion, we can break technology down into two categories; engine performance (regardless of stroke), and suspension. First, lets talk about how "tracks are to blame." If the tracks are the blame for the speeds reached, the extremely fast lap times, pace, etc. and the jump combinations that would not be possible twelve years ago for pros, or amateurs jumping 100-foot jumps straight out of corners, then you would expect following that logic that the current progression of the sport and technology do not play an important role. If you believe tracks are to blame then you are going to search for evidence that supports that belief, and in all honesty, there is a lot of evidence. Some of the jumps on tracks designed for amateurs are massive. However, if the tracks are responsible for the capabilities of dirt bikes today, A-riders would be able to jump those 100-foot jumps straight out of corners on Honda XR100s, and run the same lap times as they do on their 250/450 race bikes. Such is not the case and it seems completely ridiculous trying to imagine so, but those scenarios are what you would expect following that logic.
Now, lets talk about the progression of the sport. Throughout human history, humans have built upon the knowledge and skills of those that came before them. Someone once said, "We are standing on the shoulders of giants." Computers we type on today would not be possible had someone not invented electricity first. The same goes for progression in motocross (and it is easier to see in freestyle motocross). For example, regardless of whether or not he was the first to do it, when James Stewart unleashed the "Bubba Scrub" at Budd's Creek in 2003 it opened doors of progression. What only one of the best riders in the world could perform nearly ten years ago has been adopted and used by probably thousands of riders since. The point I'm trying to make is that motocross riding technique and progression is a continually evolving process, and will continue to evolve as long as people are racing motorcycles. Now, getting the best riders in the world from top amateurs to the professionals of the sport to regress the current level of riding progression we see today, which would make things probably a bit safer, is never going to happen.
So, the next step is to limit the pace, speeds, and jumping possibilities via the technology (coincidentally, the exact same thing they have done in many other forms of motor racing). The engines in today's bikes are arguably the best engines the sport has seen, with the raw power and smooth delivery. Suspension has also evolved tremendously and will continue to evolve. So, we pretty much have the fastest machines with the available technology the sport has ever seen, the highest level of progression the sport has seen, and some tracks with bigger jumps as a result, and everyone is in a state of bewilderment wondering why so many riders are getting injured. It seems like a more effective and safer way to reduce the injury rate would be to reduce the power and maintain the handling characteristics of the bikes, rather than sacrifice the handling by reducing suspension travel while maintaining the current power-plants. If you took the 450 A-class at Loretta's, or a Supercross Main Event lineup and put all the riders on Honda XR100 and Kawasaki KXL100 the pace would reduce. I'm not suggesting this happen, I'm just using it as an example to point out slower engines reduce the pace and the jumping possibilities. Slowing the bikes down a tad in whatever way would also allow riders to process information mentally a little easier, which would add to the safety aspect (it seems like anyways, especially in supercross). There's definitely not an easy way out of this mess, but I hope we do not have to wait until electric bikes come along for an effective change to occur. The downside to limiting power seems like it would be a disadvantage to heavier riders. If some sort of restrictor plate were used, maybe they could use different ones based on the weight of the rider to even out the power-weight ratio. Injuries will always be a part of the sport, just like crime in a society, but just like crime, the rates can probably be lowered.
Prayers sent to the Grodzicki family.
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