What to do when you can not fill the gate because of your own greed.

biker85 wrote:

if you cant get a full gate in Qatar, Mexico or Thailand .... why go there????? Who benifits from the Gp's in Mexico, Brasil ..... only...

if you cant get a full gate in Qatar, Mexico or Thailand .... why go there?????

Who benifits from the Gp's in Mexico, Brasil ..... only YS i think

Jamie_Munro wrote:

For me it's pretty damn obvious and makes sense - the gate is full and the race will have a new feel to it. There is...

For me it's pretty damn obvious and makes sense - the gate is full and the race will have a new feel to it. There is nothing worse than seeing spaces on gates, please don't try and tell me there haven't been spaces on AMA line ups because that's BS.

Sure it's not to the liking of all but having a "world championship" means it has to try it's best and travel as much of "the world" as possible in a bid to bring investment from, and races to "the world" and it's people, how else can local riders who may be very very talented get to line up against the best in "the world" if they cannot fly around "the world" to other races?

Why start kicking off because an organisation has found a solution to a problem? Honestly the intelligence level is staggering. It comes down to finance plain and simple, the teams that can will, and those that cannot won't.

Let's just see how the races pan out and then make judgement, i reckon we are going to see some of the best 2nd moto's ever with top boys from each class bashing it out.

And it's not the fucking AMA nor is it a damn national championship so please stop trying to compare it you muppets.

Motocross83 wrote:

I'm not saying everything Guiseppe has done is right because it obviously isn't. No matter how you spin it all the riders should ALWAYS get at...

I'm not saying everything Guiseppe has done is right because it obviously isn't. No matter how you spin it all the riders should ALWAYS get at least something back for competing and thus contributing to the show. It's just inherently wrong otherwise. And he certainly hasn't made things easier with the astronomical starting fee.

But with that said....

This continuing problem of a decreasing gate attendance is also a symptom of the wider economic times we are currently living in (Europe is in turmoil, potentially on the edge of serious civil violence in places like Spain and Greece etc) and the fact is Motocross by nature has never been a big sport. That's always been its problem since the year dot. We've never reached the big leagues in terms of popularity, hence unlike a sport such as Golf for instance - the big money has never reached the lower ranks.

It seems to be a bit better in America but watching that "Inside the Outdoors" program yesterday you can clearly see a similar problem with a massive disparity between the handful of top guys who are making millions and the guys right behind them and a bit further back who are making little to nothing. Again, with the economy the way it is, MX globally (not just the GPs) is becoming more and more unviable.

Not sure what the solution is but though it's cool going to these far flung places, for the time being maybe the GPs shouldn't.

DC wrote:

Please don't call me greedy, TFS. But as you probably remember, I am a little salty... Sorry, couldn't resist. I will now return to Morgantown. DC...

Please don't call me greedy, TFS. But as you probably remember, I am a little salty...

Sorry, couldn't resist. I will now return to Morgantown.

DC
MX Sports

TFS wrote:

Damn! Someone ets it. i think the problem is American know-it-alls see the GPs the same way they see amateur championships and nationals. They are not...

Damn! Someone ets it.

i think the problem is American know-it-alls see the GPs the same way they see amateur championships and nationals. They are not the same. The world championship is a travelling show that goes to many countries. Like SX, you only need enough riders to put on the show. There is no point in shipping another 20 bikes and riders if the job can be done another way. Remember, teams took the idea to management, not the other way around. The nationals and amateur races are where privateers belong so they can work up and get hired. The GPs are just not the place for it, but with money you can do it, same as car racing. Its a rich kid's world.

The GPs are not there to pull the latest hotshoe privateers out of every BFE they go to. Shit, they are going to Qatar. You honestly want Qatar's privateers in the mix? They probably have one guy with a 24 carat gold scooter with lights.

Everyone likes prize money, but that isn't going to provide the bottom twenty much of a chance either. Teams and riders have worked it out another way. If you don't understand it, call the owner greedy I guess.

Stanton876 wrote:

So the GP's like SX are a show and not a sport. That's nice of you to say.

kongols wrote:

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant...

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant. Even Suzuki factory team has only one covered rider, the other one rides on his own dime.
Little Guissepe`s dick was too small for F1 so he`s trying to make GP`s his own F1. There isn`t that much money in MOTOCROSS to run it as F1.

kongols wrote:

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant...

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant. Even Suzuki factory team has only one covered rider, the other one rides on his own dime.
Little Guissepe`s dick was too small for F1 so he`s trying to make GP`s his own F1. There isn`t that much money in MOTOCROSS to run it as F1.

TFS wrote:

How American of you! Did Zack Osborne pay 200K to ride GPs or did he do it because it was his best offer? He told me...

How American of you!

Did Zack Osborne pay 200K to ride GPs or did he do it because it was his best offer? He told me it was the best offer because when he turned pro about 2007/8, money here was dried up.

If every rider has 200K laying around to buy in, the GPs are in very good shape then. There must be an endless supply of rich kids, right? I doubt that's the true picture.

You say GPs can't run like F1, but I would say maybe they can't afford not to. If you tried to overlay the American MX model on Europe, it would keep GPs down to the American level- dirt floor tents, no power hookups in pits, no good cheese...

TFS wrote:

Rules for the GPs require a minimum salary for each rider, paid by the team. Making this commitment is part of becoming an approved team. When...

Rules for the GPs require a minimum salary for each rider, paid by the team. Making this commitment is part of becoming an approved team.

When you see the GPs hopping from pace to place, it is money. The way it works over there, local, state or national authorities pay to have the event in their location. This is a completely crazy and foreign idea to Americans, but it didn't stop Feld from lobbying Vegas for fundage for bringing crowds there. The Spanish GP went away, read news on Spain's money problems right now. Qatar is fat on cash and wants to have some racing and promote itself. It's cheap for them.

It's not about drawing the last 5% of spectators that make or break the events. That is cutting it way too close to the bone when you have a GP series to run. Nats can squeak by.

Think of how many international cities you heard of because of racing- Le Mans, Monaco, Isle of Wight. It's not only because they drew crowds! Someone planned and paid for it (most of the time).

The guy running the nats likes to hang out here and be one of the fans. The guy running GPs puts a suit on and hangs out with the senator and minister of sport from some country itching to get some PR. Big deal. It's just different. Criticizing either for not copying the other on this makes no sense.

kongols wrote:

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant...

But to get on a GP team you have to pay around 200`000 bucks of your own money so all that bullshit about salaries becomes irrelevant. Even Suzuki factory team has only one covered rider, the other one rides on his own dime.
Little Guissepe`s dick was too small for F1 so he`s trying to make GP`s his own F1. There isn`t that much money in MOTOCROSS to run it as F1.

kongols wrote:

Karro camp was setting up donation accounts and pay phone lines when he was offered Suzuki ride for 150`ooo euro`s. The kitchen is as dirty as...

Karro camp was setting up donation accounts and pay phone lines when he was offered Suzuki ride for 150`ooo euro`s.

The kitchen is as dirty as it comes. The more I find out the less I want to spend my time in it.

kongols wrote:

Karro camp was setting up donation accounts and pay phone lines when he was offered Suzuki ride for 150`ooo euro`s. The kitchen is as dirty as...

Karro camp was setting up donation accounts and pay phone lines when he was offered Suzuki ride for 150`ooo euro`s.

The kitchen is as dirty as it comes. The more I find out the less I want to spend my time in it.

peelout wrote:

buy INTO a team? if that isn't the most fucked up thing i've heard regarding a professional sport, then i don't know what is [img]http://www.lulztruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Oh-My-God.jpg[/img]

buy INTO a team?

if that isn't the most fucked up thing i've heard regarding a professional sport, then i don't know what is

biker85 wrote:

please TFS ... come to Europe and talk to other riders beside Osbourne and top 5 ... maybe your'e eyes open up

jamma10 wrote:

Ben Lamay was asking for the same thing to help him finance his season racing in the AMA.

Stanton876 wrote:

So the GP's like SX are a show and not a sport. That's nice of you to say.

TFS wrote:

Yes and no. I think maybe you just figured out what a sport really is like. GPs are a traveling live TV show with motorcycles that...

Yes and no. I think maybe you just figured out what a sport really is like.

GPs are a traveling live TV show with motorcycles that promotes brands, riders, and places to a wide audience.

Is the NFL a "sport?" Do they do things to raise the level of "football-ness" in every city, or are they just doing TV shows for money? Switch on ESPN right now and see if the "sport" you find lives up to the expectations people have for moto (being a nanny for everyone participating), or is it a show?