2013 National Schedule

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11/16/2012 5:21am
Thanks, I am trying to do what's best for the most folks on here, spread races around -- even if that means moving one of my mom's races (Steel City) to a whole new region. No one will ever be completely happy, but we will never stop trying to find ways to grow and improve motocross. Change is hard, but we always need to consider new things...

But the people on here hammering Sam Gammon and his work as a promoter, I don't get that. He's a good man, runs a great facility, and has been waiting for a very long time. Just because he comes at helps at Loretta Lynn's had nothing to do with the selection of his track. Lots of industry friends come and help at Loretta Lynn's, and while it's very much appreciated, it has no bearing on what happens with the 12 dates we have for Lucas Oil Pro Motocross.

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11/16/2012 5:32am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2012 6:08am
I'm sure there are way many logistics involved but I've always wondered why the series couldn't flow like the old Trans-AMA series did...that is going from one coast to the other. Start to finish.
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11/16/2012 5:57am
i like the schedule, cant wait to see Muddy Creek's National! and really hope the TBA is somewhere new, I enjoy going new places and seeing new things. If we didnt change things up once in a while, this sport would have all the bad aspects of NASCAR..
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11/16/2012 6:36am
Just add what Davey says, Lori from Glen Helen said Sam Gammon is a very nice guy and has worked his but of for years to bring the best races to the riders who go to his track. He lives,eats and sleeps trying to hold the best events on the best track he can give them and has never asked for anything back. Like I have always said support the tracks weather you like them or not because once they are gone who are you going to complain about then. Give Sam the support he needs because its not an easy task to hold a National, I know first hand and so do many others out here.

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11/16/2012 6:57am
DC wrote:
Thanks, I am trying to do what's best for the most folks on here, spread races around -- even if that means moving one of my...
Thanks, I am trying to do what's best for the most folks on here, spread races around -- even if that means moving one of my mom's races (Steel City) to a whole new region. No one will ever be completely happy, but we will never stop trying to find ways to grow and improve motocross. Change is hard, but we always need to consider new things...

But the people on here hammering Sam Gammon and his work as a promoter, I don't get that. He's a good man, runs a great facility, and has been waiting for a very long time. Just because he comes at helps at Loretta Lynn's had nothing to do with the selection of his track. Lots of industry friends come and help at Loretta Lynn's, and while it's very much appreciated, it has no bearing on what happens with the 12 dates we have for Lucas Oil Pro Motocross.

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I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid operation and helped grow and promote the sport.
Too funny that there's always going to be a biter bash-train when a track is taken off the schedule, or another added.

Tough crowd DC, LOL!
11/16/2012 7:04am Edited Date/Time 11/16/2012 7:06am
What is the name of the track in Crawfordsville, Indiana ? or are they building a new track for the National ?
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11/16/2012 7:16am
lostboy819 wrote:
What is the name of the track in Crawfordsville, Indiana ? or are they building a new track for the National ?
It is the property They have run the Gncc on, if you see the fields after That weekend, it Looks like one of the coolest natural mx tracks you've seen. It's in the middle of nowhere and would have to be built from scratch, so?
11/16/2012 7:23am
lostboy819 wrote:
What is the name of the track in Crawfordsville, Indiana ? or are they building a new track for the National ?
It is the property They have run the Gncc on, if you see the fields after That weekend, it Looks like one of the coolest natural...
It is the property They have run the Gncc on, if you see the fields after That weekend, it Looks like one of the coolest natural mx tracks you've seen. It's in the middle of nowhere and would have to be built from scratch, so?
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11/16/2012 7:26am
DC wrote:
Thanks, I am trying to do what's best for the most folks on here, spread races around -- even if that means moving one of my...
Thanks, I am trying to do what's best for the most folks on here, spread races around -- even if that means moving one of my mom's races (Steel City) to a whole new region. No one will ever be completely happy, but we will never stop trying to find ways to grow and improve motocross. Change is hard, but we always need to consider new things...

But the people on here hammering Sam Gammon and his work as a promoter, I don't get that. He's a good man, runs a great facility, and has been waiting for a very long time. Just because he comes at helps at Loretta Lynn's had nothing to do with the selection of his track. Lots of industry friends come and help at Loretta Lynn's, and while it's very much appreciated, it has no bearing on what happens with the 12 dates we have for Lucas Oil Pro Motocross.

DC
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Shenzi wrote:
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid...
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid operation and helped grow and promote the sport.
Too funny that there's always going to be a biter bash-train when a track is taken off the schedule, or another added.

Tough crowd DC, LOL!
DC - Please stop explaining ........... have the whiners failed to notice that a race that belonged to your family was taken off the schedule ?? How the money/business side of this works is none of our business but it is a safe bet that financially it may not have been in your best interest but WAS in the best interest of the sport/schedule.

Having been part of LL for many years I watched many industry people show up to help because they love the sport. Someone needs to contact the Carmichael family and stop them from being suck-ups also. I've seen Jeannie stand out in the sun baking at the finish just to be helpful. Let's make sure that a good deed doesn't go unpunished.

I am as cynical as the next guy but......there are people out there that are really trying to make motocross better.

It has been said here many time before.....those who whine the most have never been in the trenches .....it is much easier to spout off on a forum then put on succesful races. Try it, volunteer to help at a national and get a glimpse of what really goes on.
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11/16/2012 7:37am
ga_pike wrote:
Wouldn't it be nice if the series went in some sort of logical order to avoid long drives across the country? They go from Mass to...
Wouldn't it be nice if the series went in some sort of logical order to avoid long drives across the country? They go from Mass to Mich to Washington to Minn to NY... Why can't they work out a better order for the races to help out the little guys (small teams and privateers)? I know, I know, it's not about those guys... but if there was a better order to things, you may see more circuit chasers out there.

At least the June 1 to July 6 run isn't too bad. You might see a good crop of privateers show up for all of those events.
Hando wrote:
the ama and these clowns don't have any logic this is REALLY sad, Mount Morris over Steel city???? REALLY?? Lake Elsinore is still on the schedule...
the ama and these clowns don't have any logic

this is REALLY sad, Mount Morris over Steel city???? REALLY??

Lake Elsinore is still on the schedule?? That track is a pilk of horse shit.

When the attendance numbers go down due to the utter disregard for the overall state of the sport, I hope someone who works at a private equity firm comes in and does some serious revamping, cause alot of these decisons ARE RETARDED AND ARE RUINING THE FUKIN SPORT!!!!!

I bet the TBA track is gonna be some dog shit track thats man made and in a flat field in some fuck-all state
Fuck All State? Graduated from there...

You are one big ray of sunshine ain't cha?
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11/16/2012 8:24am
Still whinin' about Texas! Over a decade ago I began writing letters to the AMA about the locations of the Nationals and how crazy it is to want to grow a 'product' but only make it available to a small percentage of the population.

Yes, it has improved with MX Sports, and I am thankful that we had Freestone for a little while, but the map is still tilted to the right.

Thoughts?

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11/16/2012 8:36am
As Bill Cosby said (or lifted from someone else): "don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody."

Everything in life is a work in progress. Looking forward to seeing where the new round lands.
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11/16/2012 8:58am
Laying it on a population map adds a little info.

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11/16/2012 9:09am
Shenzi wrote:
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid...
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid operation and helped grow and promote the sport.
Too funny that there's always going to be a biter bash-train when a track is taken off the schedule, or another added.

Tough crowd DC, LOL!
Tough crowd? I only see one poster saying anything negative about Gammon.
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11/16/2012 10:16am
braaap wrote:
Still whinin' about Texas! Over a decade ago I began writing letters to the AMA about the locations of the Nationals and how crazy it is...
Still whinin' about Texas! Over a decade ago I began writing letters to the AMA about the locations of the Nationals and how crazy it is to want to grow a 'product' but only make it available to a small percentage of the population.

Yes, it has improved with MX Sports, and I am thankful that we had Freestone for a little while, but the map is still tilted to the right.

Thoughts?

dub over supercross.. you guys have the first half of the year, we get the second
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11/16/2012 10:36am
I raced the 500 nats twice by the time I was 18. For whatever reason the travel on the nats has always been a little extensive. Some years better and some worse. Get the fuck off of Daveys ass and please go beatoff somewhere else.
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11/16/2012 11:02am
Has a decision been made on whether the womens WMX series is happening in 2013? If so, which events will they be included in?
11/16/2012 11:44am
As Bill Cosby said (or lifted from someone else): "don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody." Everything...
As Bill Cosby said (or lifted from someone else): "don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody."

Everything in life is a work in progress. Looking forward to seeing where the new round lands.
Cycle news is saying Crawfordsville, Indiana where they run the GNCC.
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11/16/2012 12:22pm
GrapeApe wrote:
Tough crowd? I only see one poster saying anything negative about Gammon.
Someone told me recently that if you ask Gammon in the morning when the last moto of the day will run that he will be correct within under ten minutes. Sounds to me like he knows what's up and runs a tight ship.

Still sucks that Texas is off the schedule.
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11/16/2012 1:19pm
fgb729 wrote:
So now that the PA lost a national, can we get a supercross? Preferably in Philadelphia Whistling
cdm806 wrote:
You don't have a dome. But we do in Syracuse!.
Dont need a dome...its simple really make the NE supercross the last East coast round. Right now that date is April 13th, by then I would not be worried about cold weather.

#notthathard, lets think a little organizers
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11/16/2012 1:36pm
As Bill Cosby said (or lifted from someone else): "don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody." Everything...
As Bill Cosby said (or lifted from someone else): "don’t know the secret to success, but the secret to failure is trying to please everybody."

Everything in life is a work in progress. Looking forward to seeing where the new round lands.
lostboy819 wrote:
Cycle news is saying Crawfordsville, Indiana where they run the GNCC.
Less than 200 miles from Red Bud!

If that's the case it just pisses me off even more that Texas doesn't have a round.
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11/16/2012 2:28pm
If you gaze at the map, I'm nearby Columbus, OHIO - in the center of the action.

Count me in for Muddy Creek and Crawfords Creek, Indiana, too.

Thanks Davey, High 5.
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11/16/2012 2:40pm
PPSSSSTTT........Rup you forgot the map..................
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11/16/2012 2:46pm
TomZ wrote:
PPSSSSTTT........Rup you forgot the map..................
Nossir, I'm showing the scenery and topography. I'm an artist. Not a Mapquest.
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11/16/2012 5:16pm
So why is Muddy Creek listed as Bristal?
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11/16/2012 7:07pm
JoJmoto wrote:
So why is Muddy Creek listed as Bristal?
I suppose for PR reasons, the Bristol track is about 20 minutes away. As glad as I am to have a race 30 minutes away, I hate They are trying to link our sport with that spectacle that the general public think of when they think of racing.
Blountville or Muddy Creek, please no NASCAR reference.
11/16/2012 10:36pm
Ill never understand why they go back and forth damn near the length of the country, twice.
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11/16/2012 11:02pm
Laying it on a population map adds a little info. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/11/16/71789_050_459169A6_9279.jpg[/img]
Laying it on a population map adds a little info.

LOL !!!!
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11/16/2012 11:25pm Edited Date/Time 11/16/2012 11:30pm
Shenzi wrote:
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid...
I can't believe the bashing of Sam Gammon, it's so uncalled for. Sam has been doing a great job promoting races, has always had a solid operation and helped grow and promote the sport.
Too funny that there's always going to be a biter bash-train when a track is taken off the schedule, or another added.

Tough crowd DC, LOL!
GrapeApe wrote:
Tough crowd? I only see one poster saying anything negative about Gammon.
And that would be me. Why people choose not to post is on them and I really doubt the small amount of members on here represents the MX community. Out of ALL the people we race with, I am the only one that I know of that posts here.

I stood right there while an AMA official, paid for by Sam Gammon, tell a father of a 65 rider that, and I quote (when asked why they stagger started 70 65cc riders at an area qualifier) "that his kids safety was not his concern" This will burn into my memory for a long time and if you choose to overlook it, so be it I will not. If you have kids, let that sink in, "your kids safety is not his concern".

I then was told by a fellow racer to go talk to Sam, he is a good guy, been in the sport for a while and would listen to the complaint. I then stood 4 feet from Sams face when he asked said AMA official if he had said that. When it was confirmed by the backpeddling AMA official not saying he didn't say it. Sam Gammon then looked me in the face and told me, and I quote again "you can just leave my race if you don't like it". When I came out of the tower, pissed off from hell, I told the other fathers what the response was and this is what prompted the cops being called to escort the AMA official from the track cause the parent he said that to, told him that he would be talking to him in the parking lot.

I was then approached by an older lady who then pulled me behind the sign up trailer and said that it would be best I left if I wanted to continue to race LL qualifiers because Sam was good friends with Tim Cotter and Davey Coombs and would have my son's name blacklisted (how true this who knows, not really the point, but she worked for Victory Sports).

I then proceded to pack up and leave and drive 5 hours to Archview to race Sunday. I'm guessing everyone followed suite because I was told some 500 riders left behind me.

So, spit what ever BS you want about whos this and whos that. But I have been in the military for 26 years, a police officer for 3 years and currently a corrections officer for the state of Illinois, so my WORD/INTEGRITY is unquestionable or impeachable.

A simple, "sorry about that, lets fix the problem" from Sam would have maybe made some happy, not all of course but he CHOSE to tell no less than 5 fathers to KISS HIS ASS!!!!!!

ALso this has nothing to do with the schedule and what tracks, I could care less. My phylosophy is let whatever track try its best and we fans will just be glad we got to see the best riders in the world ride and not care about, traffic jam this, and where my cell phone coverage this, or my media terminal and VIP section that.
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