OT: Suicide..

BuDz34
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Edited Date/Time 10/25/2012 8:25pm
I'm not sure what kids are going through these days whatever it be.. This week there has be 2 suicides in my area.. Its very sad one girl was 14yrs old another 16yrs old. Both hung themselves. This is something that is becoming a pressing issue nation wide. My 13yr old neice is dealing with both as she knew them. It pains me that kids this age have to deal with death in such a harsh an terrible way..

when i was a kid i remember death as my great grandmother, my paps and an uncle all of which were older and lived their lives tho it still hurt that was the worst scenario.. Now kids who have no idea what life is supposed to be are taking their lives.

Neither cases were from bullying.

What the hell is going on with this younger generation.
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10/23/2012 7:27pm
Non Moto?
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BuDz34 wrote:
I'm not sure what kids are going through these days whatever it be.. This week there has be 2 suicides in my area.. Its very sad...
I'm not sure what kids are going through these days whatever it be.. This week there has be 2 suicides in my area.. Its very sad one girl was 14yrs old another 16yrs old. Both hung themselves. This is something that is becoming a pressing issue nation wide. My 13yr old neice is dealing with both as she knew them. It pains me that kids this age have to deal with death in such a harsh an terrible way..

when i was a kid i remember death as my great grandmother, my paps and an uncle all of which were older and lived their lives tho it still hurt that was the worst scenario.. Now kids who have no idea what life is supposed to be are taking their lives.

Neither cases were from bullying.

What the hell is going on with this younger generation.
I remember a kid in grade school (mid 1980's) who spent all year knitting a scarf, when he was finished he hung himself with it. Not so sure the suicide rate has increased or attention to it has increased.
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10/23/2012 7:33pm
WillyB wrote:
Non Moto?
Seriously? You have to post that???
Non moto???
Learn some respect.



OP
Lots of things happening lately, I have 3 children and its so scary what the next day has in store for them, we try hard everyday and that's all you can do.
I'm glad they all race MX
And 2are girls so I'm lucky they have a great hobby to keep them occupied.
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10/23/2012 7:37pm
Terrible news.

I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years.

None of that stuff matters. It crazy how much life changes right after you graduate.

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I better watch grandma.. She's been knitting a scarf !
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Its a shitty thing brother.. Believe me. Life is a crazy bitch of a thing when you feel like you need to impress everyone in site of you. When you feel like you HAVE to go to college or you HAVE to be skinny or you HAVE to like the right people or get a job when you're 16 or even hurting on the inside from a girl/boy you love. It blows man. It's a hard thing to deal with when you are young.. Depression, stress, anxiety is a bitch. Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Thinking that has saved me from ending it all..
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10/23/2012 7:46pm
Beats me. One of my best friends took his life three years ago. Left behind a wife and two beautiful daughters.

I have no idea what makes life no longer worth living and I hope I never know.
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RM127 wrote:
Terrible news. I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years. None...
Terrible news.

I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years.

None of that stuff matters. It crazy how much life changes right after you graduate.
Exactly, i explained that to my niece in so many ways... I mean i graduated 10 years ago but high school were my favorite times.. i had a blast with friends and rode my dirtbike everyday i wanted to with no worries but work.. no "real bills".. It might be that there is more attention to it with social media now a days but it just blows my mind.. with the first one i was thinking more neglect by the parents these days but the second one was so close close to her family that it was just a shock to everyone.. I hope its not trending or somethign its just so sad to see such young people to feel the need to take their own lives.
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10/23/2012 7:52pm
RM127 wrote:
Terrible news. I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years. None...
Terrible news.

I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years.

None of that stuff matters. It crazy how much life changes right after you graduate.
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
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10/23/2012 8:05pm
I feel bad for the people that lose someone they love no matter how they lose them but I have no sympathy for the people that take their own lives. I lost my best friend to a car accident a few years ago and he had so much life left to live and was loving every minute until it was cut short. All I can think is why he couldn't have gotten their chance at living instead. If you're not happy then make a change! Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
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10/23/2012 8:13pm
I've lost three friends to suicide. Depression can be deadly if left untreated.
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10/23/2012 8:22pm
I had a friend from high school who hung himself 6 months ago. And he was 44! Sad....
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10/23/2012 8:26pm
Had a close friend commit suicide about a year ago, unfortunately becoming addicted to cocaine completely destroyed his life.
10/23/2012 8:28pm
It is the second leading cause of death in the Army. I just had to do suicide training yesterday for part of our annual training.

I think the main cause for the teenagers these days is bullying from what I have heard. (I know you said the OP said the cases were not related to bullying.) I am not sure why it is any more different now than when I was growing up.
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10/23/2012 9:15pm
BuDz34 wrote:
I'm not sure what kids are going through these days whatever it be.. This week there has be 2 suicides in my area.. Its very sad...
I'm not sure what kids are going through these days whatever it be.. This week there has be 2 suicides in my area.. Its very sad one girl was 14yrs old another 16yrs old. Both hung themselves. This is something that is becoming a pressing issue nation wide. My 13yr old neice is dealing with both as she knew them. It pains me that kids this age have to deal with death in such a harsh an terrible way..

when i was a kid i remember death as my great grandmother, my paps and an uncle all of which were older and lived their lives tho it still hurt that was the worst scenario.. Now kids who have no idea what life is supposed to be are taking their lives.

Neither cases were from bullying.

What the hell is going on with this younger generation.
Brad460 wrote:
I remember a kid in grade school (mid 1980's) who spent all year knitting a scarf, when he was finished he hung himself with it. Not...
I remember a kid in grade school (mid 1980's) who spent all year knitting a scarf, when he was finished he hung himself with it. Not so sure the suicide rate has increased or attention to it has increased.
Damn, that's some twisted shit right there.
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10/23/2012 9:49pm
CamP wrote:
I've lost three friends to suicide. Depression can be deadly if left untreated.
Depression can be deadly if treated using drugs. Big side effect of anti- depressants is suicidal thoughts. .....people need to turn off the TV and disconnect from what we are being told happiness should be. It's not in material things.....
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10/23/2012 10:02pm
Tracktor wrote:
Depression can be deadly if treated using drugs. Big side effect of anti- depressants is suicidal thoughts. .....people need to turn off the TV and disconnect...
Depression can be deadly if treated using drugs. Big side effect of anti- depressants is suicidal thoughts. .....people need to turn off the TV and disconnect from what we are being told happiness should be. It's not in material things.....
I agree, my godmother was depressed and the doc's put her on anti-depressants and she has attempted suidcide twice since then. I think the whole thing is feeling like you are part of something, and sadly a lot of people dont feel that way because either 1)they dont make the effort to do so-othrwise being lazy or 2) the world has become that screwed up. Im not even a full year out of highschool and there was a lot of bullying that happened around but I never thought it would be enough for suicide, and then one say, a person I knew did it. I understand being broken hearted is tough, but that pain is temporary as is most pain. I hate to see all this happening but in all reality, the only person that can help someone that wants to commit suicide is that person his or her self. like other people said, suicide is the permanent fix to a temporary problem.
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As a medic in the Army we had to prepare our soldiers for the return home following our deployment to Iraq. One of the unique statistics that was brought up was the suicide rate amongst those returning from WWII was lower then Vietnam. The thought was that returning troops from WWII had to come home via ship vs. plane thus resulting in a longer decompression time. WWII soldiers had more time together to talk amongst themselves and thus work out issues before coming home. Nam vets were quickly reintroduced to society and it's own problems leaving vets with an additional burden to deal with causing many to crack.

My point in all this is that with the advent of social media people have access to our own as well as everyone else's business which makes it easier in the case of young adults to do what young adults do as they transition into adulthood. Talk crap on each other or others to hide each other own insecurities.

Before social media you might only have to deal with this amongst your close friends or at worst your school. Now you can't even make it though one class without someone tweeting or instagramming something. Young adults might find themselves afraid to talk to even their closest friends for fear that it might end up on social media making it extremely difficult to release tension, seek help, or at least get a "relax bro that shit happens to everyone and its phase we all go through".

I think there should be a ban on all social media during school and an increase on educating young adults to the BS that happens during this stage in their lives.
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Mxfreak24 wrote:
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as...
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
You don't understand depression. It is not just feeling 'down' or 'sad'. Deep depression is the equivalent of trying to walk around with two broken femurs.

Your mind is not functioning properly when depressed. Family and friends are a main reason why people refrain from suicide, so just imagine how bad you must be feeling so that you are willing to put all of your family through years of pain and anguish.

It's a well known fact that depression and suicide commonly affects the strongest people. Your attitude of 'man up and grow a pair' is partly the reason why many depressions go unnoticed as depressed people can be afraid that others will think they are weak, inferior, idiotic if they 'come out' as depressed. Have you ever heard of a scenario where someone has said 'wow I can't believe he killed himself, he seemed so happy'?
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10/24/2012 6:31am Edited Date/Time 10/24/2012 6:31am
Kids today are forced to grow up WAY too early. Too much pressure about everything. Looks/appearance, grades, material crap, sex, all of it. The culture today is so in the toilet I dont even know where to start, and the toll is a generation of wacked kids who are so screwed up and they come from even more screwed up parents. (and thats *if* they have two parents at home) Call me an old fart if you want, but Im right.



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10/24/2012 6:44am
Mxfreak24 wrote:
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as...
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
Whip wrote:
You don't understand depression. It is not just feeling 'down' or 'sad'. Deep depression is the equivalent of trying to walk around with two broken femurs...
You don't understand depression. It is not just feeling 'down' or 'sad'. Deep depression is the equivalent of trying to walk around with two broken femurs.

Your mind is not functioning properly when depressed. Family and friends are a main reason why people refrain from suicide, so just imagine how bad you must be feeling so that you are willing to put all of your family through years of pain and anguish.

It's a well known fact that depression and suicide commonly affects the strongest people. Your attitude of 'man up and grow a pair' is partly the reason why many depressions go unnoticed as depressed people can be afraid that others will think they are weak, inferior, idiotic if they 'come out' as depressed. Have you ever heard of a scenario where someone has said 'wow I can't believe he killed himself, he seemed so happy'?
Well put Whip...........

I would suspect that those that chose suicide do not consider it a permanant solution to a temporary problem, but simply a solution to what they have come to believe is a permanant problem. A belief that things will not ever get better.
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10/24/2012 6:51am
Racer92 wrote:
Kids today are forced to grow up WAY too early. Too much pressure about everything. Looks/appearance, grades, material crap, sex, all of it. The culture today...
Kids today are forced to grow up WAY too early. Too much pressure about everything. Looks/appearance, grades, material crap, sex, all of it. The culture today is so in the toilet I dont even know where to start, and the toll is a generation of wacked kids who are so screwed up and they come from even more screwed up parents. (and thats *if* they have two parents at home) Call me an old fart if you want, but Im right.



Life sure was good in Mayberry.
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10/24/2012 7:17am
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Life sure was good in Mayberry.
Of course the show was fictional, but at least at that time pop-culture fiction in the Media was depicting something to aspire to that was good. Mayberry. The Ponderosa and Ben Cartwright. Father Knows Best. Ward Cleaver and June. Hell the Brady Bunch. Although life has never been perfect in reality, I personally feel 'Society' was in much better shape when Mayberry was on the air, than it is now with the total shit that is on television celebrating scum people & society with zero scruples.
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10/24/2012 7:25am
Racer92 wrote:
Kids today are forced to grow up WAY too early. Too much pressure about everything. Looks/appearance, grades, material crap, sex, all of it. The culture today...
Kids today are forced to grow up WAY too early. Too much pressure about everything. Looks/appearance, grades, material crap, sex, all of it. The culture today is so in the toilet I dont even know where to start, and the toll is a generation of wacked kids who are so screwed up and they come from even more screwed up parents. (and thats *if* they have two parents at home) Call me an old fart if you want, but Im right.



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10/24/2012 8:10am
RM127 wrote:
Terrible news. I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years. None...
Terrible news.

I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years.

None of that stuff matters. It crazy how much life changes right after you graduate.
Mxfreak24 wrote:
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as...
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
Mxfreak24,Great outlook, your very wise for your age. Good job.
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10/24/2012 10:39am
RM127 wrote:
Terrible news. I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years. None...
Terrible news.

I remember getting so worked up about all the crap in school. Now that I been out of high school for 2 years.

None of that stuff matters. It crazy how much life changes right after you graduate.
Mxfreak24 wrote:
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as...
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
Dude...you just don't get it, when it comes to depression. Depression is a disease! And a deadly disease at that...

Would you look a person with diabetes in the eye and tell them that they just "really need to man up and grow a pair"??? What about a cancer patient?

It's the same thing with depression...it isn't something they can just "snap out of" by going on an "adventure" any more than you can just "snap out" of the flu or a diabetic can just "man up" and cure himself because he has a "pair".

That post was not only insensitive but incredibly ignorant. (You're young, so I'll give you a pass...but for real, you may just want to do a little research into depression...chances are someone you know has it, and if you knew a little bit about it you could help them rather than hurt them.)

My little brother has severe depression. Has thought of suicide in the past (didn't because he loves his family too much...thank God!). For a long time our family had the same attitude as you (because we love him to no end, and see all of his potential, and everything he has going for him): "just man up and grow a pair" you "don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something"...and we actually did far far FAR more harm that good to him. It wasn't until we, as a family, educated ourselves on depression that we realized what it really is. I encourage all to do the same.
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10/24/2012 11:27am
Mxfreak24 wrote:
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as...
I'm in my 2nd year out of high school as well but don't ever really remember all that crap being as big of a deal as other kids made it out to be. But then again I was never part of the "in" crowd. There was a group of about a dozen of us (mostly moto guys) that all did everything together and I just remember being "on the outside looking in" when it came to dating, dances, parties, football games, and just remember thinking "Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this crap?", I mean all high school is a stepping stone to the next chapter of your life. Too many people act like it's a destination when it's only actually a checkpoint.

I never understood why people would kill themselves.
So if you want to die you obviously don’t care about anyone. Because if there is anyone who loves you, you don’t give a crap about them or hurting them and if there isn’t anyone, there’s no one to give a crap about.
So instead of killing yourself why don’t you just get the heck out? Leave the basement, leave your house, leave the dang country. Go on an adventure. Spend your time doing something awesome like tracking down some terrorists. Go be freaking James Bond. Go explore different countries. Go looking for Bigfoot. Go fight a shark with a harpoon. Danger? Forget that, you were going up against a 100% death rate before, you’re playing it safe now.
Maybe when you get done with all that you’d decide you wouldn’t want to kill yourself because you’ve seen how beautiful this world is.

Forgive me if this is insensitive, but some of these little turds really need to man up and grow a pair. If they sit back and look around, most of them will realize they don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something. I've dealt with my fair load of baggage and know it's tough, but come on.

/End rant
Whip wrote:
You don't understand depression. It is not just feeling 'down' or 'sad'. Deep depression is the equivalent of trying to walk around with two broken femurs...
You don't understand depression. It is not just feeling 'down' or 'sad'. Deep depression is the equivalent of trying to walk around with two broken femurs.

Your mind is not functioning properly when depressed. Family and friends are a main reason why people refrain from suicide, so just imagine how bad you must be feeling so that you are willing to put all of your family through years of pain and anguish.

It's a well known fact that depression and suicide commonly affects the strongest people. Your attitude of 'man up and grow a pair' is partly the reason why many depressions go unnoticed as depressed people can be afraid that others will think they are weak, inferior, idiotic if they 'come out' as depressed. Have you ever heard of a scenario where someone has said 'wow I can't believe he killed himself, he seemed so happy'?
Good post Whip, chemical imbalance is a deadly and difficult condition to diagnose. My brother suffered from it for years, never could find that happy medium in life, it was either manic depression, or emence happiness. After a few breakdowns it was determined he was suffering from extreme bipolarism.

Here's the sad part, when the doctors told he had this condition, all of us were releived that there a reason that he was feeling the way he was, except for him. To him it was just another monkey on his back, and after two months of finding out he took his life. And jsut to be clear this can happen to anyone. My brother wasn't a smuck skating through life, he was a business owner, just built a brand new house, flush with cash, just couldn't bring himself to enjoy it.
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10/24/2012 12:47pm
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Dude...you just don't get it, when it comes to depression. Depression is a disease! And a deadly disease at that... Would you look a person with...
Dude...you just don't get it, when it comes to depression. Depression is a disease! And a deadly disease at that...

Would you look a person with diabetes in the eye and tell them that they just "really need to man up and grow a pair"??? What about a cancer patient?

It's the same thing with depression...it isn't something they can just "snap out of" by going on an "adventure" any more than you can just "snap out" of the flu or a diabetic can just "man up" and cure himself because he has a "pair".

That post was not only insensitive but incredibly ignorant. (You're young, so I'll give you a pass...but for real, you may just want to do a little research into depression...chances are someone you know has it, and if you knew a little bit about it you could help them rather than hurt them.)

My little brother has severe depression. Has thought of suicide in the past (didn't because he loves his family too much...thank God!). For a long time our family had the same attitude as you (because we love him to no end, and see all of his potential, and everything he has going for him): "just man up and grow a pair" you "don't actually have it all that bad. There's always hope and there's always a way to get through something"...and we actually did far far FAR more harm that good to him. It wasn't until we, as a family, educated ourselves on depression that we realized what it really is. I encourage all to do the same.
"Has thought of suicide in the past (didn't because he loves his family too much...thank God!)"

Sometimes you think... Why are they making me go through so much pain? Like, please understand I've had enough.


Besides that, great post.
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10/24/2012 1:27pm
In my opinion a big part of the teen suicide rate is social media. It's a misnomer. Kids lack social skills because they spend most of their time texting, instead of talking on the phone, or god forbid talking with friends in person. There is also far too much pressure on kids to succeed in school, career, social status, looks etc etc. Kids are forced to grow up far faster than their developing brains can handle. Kids need to be allowed to be kids, for as long as possible. Telling a kid to "grow up" is the last thing people should say or expect from their kids.
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10/24/2012 1:49pm
There's been a lot said in this thread, a lot of helpful or insightful things, no matter how inconveniently true they may be.

I'll just try to add that depression and suicidal thoughts are not easily understood, except for people who deal with it. There's an infinite number of reasons why someone may feel the way they feel, and it's not really right to say they should feel a certain way.

An example would be labeling those who take their own lives as "selfish." While there certainly is an aspect of selfishness to suicide, in the end it's their own life and own decision, and it's their own pain and fears that they have to deal with each day. I know from my own experience that it's indescribably difficult to be in a setting where you should be happy, yet your mind will absolutely not allow it.

I mean, it's tough to say, but if we all die eventually, is there a point where it's acceptable to go out on your own terms? Rather than fearing it every day? I'm pretty fearful of the end of my life, as well as having to suffer thru the loss of my family, and sometimes I feel the only way someone can beat that fear is to make a difficult decision regarding their own life.

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