lets maim the mini kids before they turn 16

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10/21/2012 7:40am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 7:40am
best race of the night.

and you guys whining about kids size and they should move up...you are definition of vitards. that kids runnin for the lead and jumping everything in the building and you complain? seriously? ....."sandbagger"???? you guys are incredibly stupid.


only problem for the mini's was that stupid bump double coming outa the talevega corner thing. that definitely caused a lot of problems for the mini's.
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Regis wrote:
I believe it was a rule to not do the triple. The finish was just as big. Back in 99' Shae Bentley was doing a press...
I believe it was a rule to not do the triple. The finish was just as big.


Back in 99' Shae Bentley was doing a press day at a SX with a local news affiliate and teaching a news anchor how to ride. She was on a supermini. He then took the Supermini and jumped the triple. that was a bone stock Supermini, so I am sure a race trim Supermini could easily get over it.
Someone have video of this?
Someone have video of this?
I never saw video.

However, I was at the race and it was the talk of the pits. Then again, a couple years later, I spent a month with Shae doing another project and he told the story to a bunch of us working.
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10/21/2012 7:55am
BobbyM wrote:
holy crap...minis and kids and pro sx tracks don't mix....wow.
and how tall is that tennant kid? kid should be on a 250.
I agree about the kids and SX tracks comment.


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10/21/2012 8:03am
BobbyM wrote:
holy crap...minis and kids and pro sx tracks don't mix....wow.
and how tall is that tennant kid? kid should be on a 250.
could not agree more, and I'm glad someone brought this up...everyone i watched with said those kids had no business out there on a full blown SX track. hope they take them out of the MEC....for the health and safety of the kids!

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10/21/2012 8:25am
I'm already very concerned how Am MX is getting so serious and dangerous that kids are sacrificing their education and health for a tiny shot at MX glory.................and now we are going to put them on display on a pro SX track at MEC?? Stupid.
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10/21/2012 9:22am Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 9:22am
One of the best races of the night were the super mini.

Emig was way off in his comments that a young riders pro career will be based largely on the nights results.
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10/21/2012 9:25am
BobbyM wrote:
holy crap...minis and kids and pro sx tracks don't mix....wow.
and how tall is that tennant kid? kid should be on a 250.
Sully22 wrote:
could not agree more, and I'm glad someone brought this up...everyone i watched with said those kids had no business out there on a full blown...
could not agree more, and I'm glad someone brought this up...everyone i watched with said those kids had no business out there on a full blown SX track. hope they take them out of the MEC....for the health and safety of the kids!
didn't RC say something like ..I never factored in having little kids running this track, oops
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10/21/2012 10:33am
practice tracks have gnarly jumps ....... the kids are already jumping them ..... evolution of the sport
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10/21/2012 10:36am
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Best race in Moncton (Canadian MX) this year was the super-minis. Coulda thrown a face cloth over the top 3 in the last turn, no follow...
Best race in Moncton (Canadian MX) this year was the super-minis. Coulda thrown a face cloth over the top 3 in the last turn, no follow the leader shit, peeking order in that class. I can't believe what the kids can do on bikes that mostly get BNG's every year.

Kids are molded |(and forced) to do great things in sports at such a young age it is unreal. I see kids playing Midget C who would have been Midget AAA hockey superstars fifteen years ago.

I do think it is a little crazy to go from a super mini to a 250F, that men (and some fast girls) ride in one quantum leap. The weight and inertia are from two different zip codes. Especially if you weigh 95 lbs soaking wet.

I do agree with the stretcher comment though, that would be a total bummer for all involved.
AC92 was hauling last night, but he looks tiny for a race-built 250F. In another year when he's taller & heavier he'll be killing everything but...
AC92 was hauling last night, but he looks tiny for a race-built 250F. In another year when he's taller & heavier he'll be killing everything but now it looks like his ride was a little more than he can manage.
You did not see Moto 2 live. AC92 was gone.... GONE!
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10/21/2012 10:37am
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One of the best races of the night were the super mini. Emig was way off in his comments that a young riders pro career will...
One of the best races of the night were the super mini.

Emig was way off in his comments that a young riders pro career will be based largely on the nights results.
No, but it could help.
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10/21/2012 10:38am
One more note: There were no more crashes in the Supermini then there were in the bigs. Those kids rode the hell out of that track. I was very impressed
10/21/2012 10:49am
I think s/x is at a point where F1 was back in the 70s. Basically there was a huge injection of money, mostly from tobacco (advertising was banned up until then), more money for technology, and more generally available technology (radial tires), all leading to insanely fast speeds. Yet they were still racing on sportscar tracks that had been built after WW2.
The carnage was entertaining for sure, but the general public got turned off. F1 became more of a specialized sub-culture. In the 1980s, most people knew who Jackie Stewart (and Mario) was, but not Nelson Piquet.
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10/21/2012 1:54pm
Yeah that was just wrong. If everyone in the race can't do all the jumps in practice, how do you expect them to do it in a race? If everyone can't do the jumps on a SX track in a race, either the jumps are too big or your in the wrong class. The jumps were too big!
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10/21/2012 2:02pm
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
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10/21/2012 2:04pm
People who ride over their head tend to wreck/get hurt. It's called motocross.
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10/21/2012 3:06pm
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I also thought we'd see at least 1 or 2 of them huck the big triple. I enjoyed their motos, very entertaining, but I've never been...
I also thought we'd see at least 1 or 2 of them huck the big triple. I enjoyed their motos, very entertaining, but I've never been a huge fan of SX stuff with steep landings (personal opinion). I think old school outdoor stuff is the best overall test. However, I understand SX's place in racing and that it brings a lot of exposure and $$$ to the sport.

Maybe, if they are going to have the kids out there, they should use big tabletops to avoid the crash like last night. Casing is one thing, but to come up that short into the bottom of the face? Just thinking out loud.
Regis wrote:
I believe it was a rule to not do the triple. The finish was just as big. Back in 99' Shae Bentley was doing a press...
I believe it was a rule to not do the triple. The finish was just as big.


Back in 99' Shae Bentley was doing a press day at a SX with a local news affiliate and teaching a news anchor how to ride. She was on a supermini. He then took the Supermini and jumped the triple. that was a bone stock Supermini, so I am sure a race trim Supermini could easily get over it.
Forkner jumped the triples on Canard's SX track...going with Regis on this one.
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10/21/2012 3:09pm
BobbyM wrote:
holy crap...minis and kids and pro sx tracks don't mix....wow.
and how tall is that tennant kid? kid should be on a 250.
I was riding last week at milestone and I think that cantrell kid, I think he's number 37 was riding the full blown supercross track with no problem. I was amazed that such a small kid on a tiny bike looked so comfortable on a full blown sx track. I'd probably have to roll everything on it and that kid was clearing almost everything. It blew my mind.
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flarider wrote:
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt.


You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
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10/21/2012 4:33pm
flarider wrote:
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
Regis wrote:
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt. You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt.


You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
and who manufactures this "bone stock supermini?"
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10/21/2012 4:35pm
flarider wrote:
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
Regis wrote:
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt. You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt.


You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Bone stock KX100 around 20 horsepower. The 112's now are pushing 35hp if you think a bone stock KX100 could huck some of those jumps last night, you're crazy. Plus the "bone stock" fork internals would have crushed into pieces.
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Jakes Dad wrote:
Bone stock KX100 around 20 horsepower. The 112's now are pushing 35hp if you think a bone stock KX100 could huck some of those jumps last...
Bone stock KX100 around 20 horsepower. The 112's now are pushing 35hp if you think a bone stock KX100 could huck some of those jumps last night, you're crazy. Plus the "bone stock" fork internals would have crushed into pieces.
That is some interesting insight. I had no idea they were putting out those kind of ponies.
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flarider wrote:
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
Regis wrote:
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt. You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt.


You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
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and who manufactures this "bone stock supermini?"
OK Dave.

Try to follow me. (I don't know why I put myself through responding to your posts but, you got me)

"Bone stock' is slang. Just like "Box stock". Both of which mean completely stock machines with no changes whatsoever. Follow me?

So, Shae was riding a bone stock Kawasaki Supermini. Meaning it was there just to show the newscaster how to ride up and down the start straight. It had no suspension work, no aftermarket pipe or aftermarket parts whatsoever.

I am sure you know Shae, feel free to fact check my little trip down memory lane I have shared with you all.



The point of this story is that all those kids last night could have easily jumped the triple. The bikes were more than capable.

does that clear it up for you? Or are you going to have any other useless fact seeking questions?
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flarider wrote:
What's a "bone stock supermini?"
Regis wrote:
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt. You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Right off the showroom floor. First time it hit the dirt.


You'v never heard the term "Bone Stock?". Jeez and I thought you knew everything.
Jakes Dad wrote:
Bone stock KX100 around 20 horsepower. The 112's now are pushing 35hp if you think a bone stock KX100 could huck some of those jumps last...
Bone stock KX100 around 20 horsepower. The 112's now are pushing 35hp if you think a bone stock KX100 could huck some of those jumps last night, you're crazy. Plus the "bone stock" fork internals would have crushed into pieces.
For sure, without a doubt, They can. Call me whatever you want but It's happened.

Like I said, Shae did it in 99 at a real SX venue during a real Thursday morning show pass conference. Now, Shae was a SX championship contending 125cc rider at the time so his skill is a lot higher then the kids we watched last night. However, the machine was or is capable.

SX triples are the same exact distance week in and week out. They aren't that big. Heck, the finish last night was probably longer in distance. What used to make a SX triple difficult is not the distance of the jump but the obstacle before it. This day and age with the power of the four strokes, they aren't difficult for the pro field at all. If a stock Supermini has a decent run at it, it will make it just fine. It's been done.
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10/21/2012 5:20pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 5:23pm
The real difficulty/danger seemed to be during the last practice session when the track had some wet/slimmy mid-section/between jump/set-up sections where plenty of people had a hard-time...

Even the Pro's.

Watching it there...last-nite...

I was impressed with the Super-Minis.

VERY Impressed. Watching the Japanese kid on the #7 was like watching James on the Kawi...spectacular...TP199 kinda Spectacular.
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10/21/2012 5:25pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 5:34pm
Shae, a full grown adult, jumped a SX triple on a box stock 1999 KX100

Uh huh.
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10/21/2012 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 5:53pm
flarider wrote:
Shae, a full grown adult, jumped a SX triple on a box stock 1999 KX100

Uh huh.
Yup. Shae Bentely 125cc West Coast Sx champ and full grown adult. He was maybe what 5'6" AND 140- 145 LBS? Maybe?

Without doubt. 100%. It was the talk of the track walk and the pits the next day we used to practice on Friday. He did it on Thursday press day. Did the step on-step off before it and then did it.

I know Dave, I just make this shit up.

Again, a SX triple is not a big jump. It is the same distance every week and the only thing that makes it hard is the obstacle before it. It is as smooth as butter when jumped right.

Want to hear even a crazier story? When we were filming Charlies Angels 2 in 2002, Chris Gosselaar in front of all the cast and crew and 20 Sx riders, including Shae Bentley, jump a 60 foot double on a box stock XR 100. Want to know how he was talked into doing it? By Shae telling him what he had done a few years earlier on a Supermini.

People that were there and saw it?

- Shae
- Ryan Hughes
- Dave Castillo
- Rich Taylor
- Clifford Adoptante
- Trevor Vines
- Ronnie Renner
- Myself
- Ted Campbell
- Jeremy albrecht
- Nick Wey
- about 10 others I can't remember off the top of my head


and about 200 other cast and crew.

Of course, he had a massive downhill run. But he landed it like butter and was asked by our bosses to never do it again. it was the craziest stunt of the movie and it was done at lunch on a personal play bike.
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10/21/2012 5:40pm Edited Date/Time 10/21/2012 5:47pm
Ricky Renner rode my kids supermini a week or so after the Daytona SX and said it was probably stronger mid to top than his 125 eeer umm 144. He went out 1st lap and hucked a big uphill triple my kid quit doing because he said it was too sketchy. I still owe Ricky for setting my kid straight on that one!!LOL

That motor was 31hp, my kid rode AC 92's race bike this summer and just said it was insane. I know the figures on that motor but can't say.

My kid would have raced that track last night but I would have a hard time believing that race was going to get him a step up the ladder as the announcers were touting it to be. The 1st sign he wasn't comfortable or on his game I would have pulled him off. He's already had too many broken bones. And no where in that situation would the word "fun" have entered. We go and race a few times a year with some of those kids not very often can I say I see them having fun.
10/21/2012 5:41pm
I hate it when I hear people say they have the option to jump or not to jump. If you are in that league, you need...
I hate it when I hear people say they have the option to jump or not to jump. If you are in that league, you need to do whatever is put in front of you.

I thought those kids were amazing but I don't like seeing some of the gnarly crashes they had. RC said it himself, he didn't think of those little guys when he designed the track.
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So if they built a 150' finish line jump you would expect them to jump it. How about if it rained? You may need to reconsider...
So if they built a 150' finish line jump you would expect them to jump it. How about if it rained? You may need to reconsider your "whatever is put in front of you" comment.

Racing is who finishes first.

To finsih first, first you must finish.

In that traffic it would have been wised to roll the jump to set back up for a future charge, a la Chase Sexton #486, instead of trying to banzai the jump and crash, a la Miller #53. Seems Sextons approached worked out a little better.
He didn't banzai the jump. #486 noticed the 53 slowed up on face. They're already committed to that thing pretty much after they landed that sketchy step off the talla-vega turn.... Nothing he could really do but smash brakes at last second or just say Eff it Jlaw style and land on the 53. Too bad when he tried to smash the brakes, it only slowed him down enough to land on the freaking 3 degree grade slope!!!!!!

And my god the 53, when he hit I said "ouch" so loud I think my neighbors down the street heard me.
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10/21/2012 5:53pm
flarider wrote:
Shae, a full grown adult, jumped a SX triple on a box stock 1999 KX100

Uh huh.
Regis wrote:
Yup. Shae Bentely 125cc West Coast Sx champ and full grown adult. He was maybe what 5'6" AND 140- 145 LBS? Maybe? Without doubt. 100%. It...
Yup. Shae Bentely 125cc West Coast Sx champ and full grown adult. He was maybe what 5'6" AND 140- 145 LBS? Maybe?

Without doubt. 100%. It was the talk of the track walk and the pits the next day we used to practice on Friday. He did it on Thursday press day. Did the step on-step off before it and then did it.

I know Dave, I just make this shit up.

Again, a SX triple is not a big jump. It is the same distance every week and the only thing that makes it hard is the obstacle before it. It is as smooth as butter when jumped right.

Want to hear even a crazier story? When we were filming Charlies Angels 2 in 2002, Chris Gosselaar in front of all the cast and crew and 20 Sx riders, including Shae Bentley, jump a 60 foot double on a box stock XR 100. Want to know how he was talked into doing it? By Shae telling him what he had done a few years earlier on a Supermini.

People that were there and saw it?

- Shae
- Ryan Hughes
- Dave Castillo
- Rich Taylor
- Clifford Adoptante
- Trevor Vines
- Ronnie Renner
- Myself
- Ted Campbell
- Jeremy albrecht
- Nick Wey
- about 10 others I can't remember off the top of my head


and about 200 other cast and crew.

Of course, he had a massive downhill run. But he landed it like butter and was asked by our bosses to never do it again. it was the craziest stunt of the movie and it was done at lunch on a personal play bike.
Some of those kids last night looked 5'6" and 140lbs. Maybe it was the HD widescreen....

The KTM kids were hucking the double section of the triples, can't see a pro on a 16/19" KX100 finding it impossible to hit the triple. They weren't 5 feet out of the corner then like they are now.
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You're old and out of touch with what the top kids are capable of today.

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