Honda announces CRF150 series in the GP's

Ghost of Jabroni 10/2/2012 12:25pm
10/2/2012 12:25pm
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the AMA is voting on letting the 150 in the 85 class here in the states next year. let your rep know how you feel or...
the AMA is voting on letting the 150 in the 85 class here in the states next year. let your rep know how you feel or you may be seeing a lot more of them around.
It's kinda like GMOs in our food or the numerous attempts at ruining the internet.

Keep voting it down, and they will keep proposing new ways to shine the same turd and put it up for vote. Hoping to eventually wear everyone down with persistence or simply catch the masses sleeping at the wheel.
10/2/2012 12:50pm
seth505 wrote:
I hope a 125 class friggin runs it out of town....
Ghost of Jabroni wrote:
It's not really competing with a 125 class is it? If KTM and the other 125 mfg's want to poney up, Luongo will offer the class...
It's not really competing with a 125 class is it?

If KTM and the other 125 mfg's want to poney up, Luongo will offer the class wont he?

The MX1 and MX2 classes dont exist without the support of the mfg's. So why should it be any different for the 125 class?

Hell, even DC has said many a times here that if a mfg steps up to the plate, he'd gladly offer the class in the alternate rounds of the WMX series. But someone has to foot the bill for it. The promoters (YS or MXS) job is to offer classes they can sell sponsorship for. Their is nobody willing to pay to fund the class, that is the only reason it isnt being offered. This isnt a local race that is dependent on entries to make a profit. Totally different tier of racing and totally different economic model.

I wish they'd turn the MX3 class into the 125 and offer it on both sides of the pond as much as anyone. But its up to the OEMs that produce them.
"I wish they'd turn the MX3 class into the 125 and offer it on both sides of the pond as much as anyone. But its up to the OEMs that produce them."

What? You're a little behind aren't you? There's a very good EMX125 class in the European Motocross Championship that rides at many of the GP's. There was already EMX125 riders in the MXoN with the Champion Gajser (SLO) and Klingsheim (NOR) riding.

You have to remember that the 125 never went away in Europe, just because the factories chose to make the USA a expensive 4stroke only zone, the European 125 scene keep advancing, Honda was the one mfg who bit the dust, but who needed them with KTM and TM and Husqvarna staying in the game with Kawa and Suzuki, It's thriving here
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FourFooptyF 10/2/2012 12:55pm
10/2/2012 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 12:58pm
Kudos to Europeans for kicking this little turdwagon to the curb... Didn't they try having a class for that little butt-bubbler, and then cancel it due to lack of interest??? If so... congrats to all of you!!! Hooray for the collective "Old country!"

Remember the "CRF 150 Cup" races from MX Fart's 2010 USA Mowercross Notionals???

It was a total cheesy paid - for commercial put up by Fonda (They even had their own announce-a-tard on hand in the booth to try to make the little fatbikes seem exciting!) The lame race was shoehorned into the program by MX Sprots "At selected events".

It was a wash... lame... no good.
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Cspicer 10/2/2012 12:57pm
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I hope they fail and that I never have to see a 150 again. They are clearly desperate...Typical Honda to create a class that forces everybody...
I hope they fail and that I never have to see a 150 again. They are clearly desperate...Typical Honda to create a class that forces everybody to ride a 4stroke Honda. They done this shit in roadracing too where I miss those underful 250 twostrokes. Now all are 600cc Honda powered bikes in the old 250-class. Fuck Honda
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X2 on all above ^^^ Honda sure is stubborn. The 150 has failed more than once so just throw more money at it. Not good for...
X2 on all above ^^^

Honda sure is stubborn.
The 150 has failed more than once so just throw more money at it.
Not good for the sport and not good for kids safety.

The 150F weighs more than a full size 250 2 stroke and is dangerous for kids. Period.
234 pounds curb weight.

http://www.honda.com/newsandviews/article.aspx?id=6687-en

I think this is recklessness in the name of profit.

If you have to give it away, what is it worth?
LOL
Wrong bike, you mean to speak of the150r, not the F, two different bikes. The 150r is 180lbs.

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Mr. Ted 10/2/2012 1:11pm
10/2/2012 1:11pm
peelout wrote:
death of the sport

what next, 4 stroke 115 in the 65 class?
Nah...just 110, Bro.
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MBR 10/2/2012 1:27pm
10/2/2012 1:27pm Edited Date/Time 10/2/2012 1:34pm
It's a shame that people once again talk about things they don't know about. In Europe Honda has had a Honda Extreme Academy program for at least three years with free training camps and own series. Also at least in UK, Ireland, Sweden, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Finland 150 cc four strokes and 85 cc two strokes run in same class and they are also equal in speed. Also no more injuries or accidents has happened with CRF150 compared to other bikes (The Swedish Federation has investigated this). There's a certain brand that has used plenty of money to lobby the banning of CRF150 for racing, so it's always about the money four strokes or not.

For me it's hard to understand, how its so horrible that manufacturer offers some extra possibilities for junior riders? Maybe you should check out few videos from Xtreme Academy camps and judge yourself how horrible time these kids have.

https://youtu.be/w3v1ohy_wYk?rel=0
https://youtu.be/AqcQwBIeR-I?rel=0
https://youtu.be/69WaEeXs5fM?rel=0
10/2/2012 1:34pm
Brian is the man, He lives to help the kids and every year we raced Soren's vacation series in Denmark he was there for the kids, just a great human being, The Honda camps were fantastic from what I've heard
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FourFooptyF 10/2/2012 2:14pm
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MBR wrote:
It's a shame that people once again talk about things they don't know about. In Europe Honda has had a Honda Extreme Academy program for at...
It's a shame that people once again talk about things they don't know about. In Europe Honda has had a Honda Extreme Academy program for at least three years with free training camps and own series. Also at least in UK, Ireland, Sweden, Italy, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Greece and Finland 150 cc four strokes and 85 cc two strokes run in same class and they are also equal in speed. Also no more injuries or accidents has happened with CRF150 compared to other bikes (The Swedish Federation has investigated this). There's a certain brand that has used plenty of money to lobby the banning of CRF150 for racing, so it's always about the money four strokes or not.

For me it's hard to understand, how its so horrible that manufacturer offers some extra possibilities for junior riders? Maybe you should check out few videos from Xtreme Academy camps and judge yourself how horrible time these kids have.

https://youtu.be/w3v1ohy_wYk?rel=0
https://youtu.be/AqcQwBIeR-I?rel=0
https://youtu.be/69WaEeXs5fM?rel=0
Yes, but people with more than the average person's stake in a particular brand are often speaking from underneath a vested interest, while they hold the naturre of the relationship close to the vest.

Such views don't have the public's interest at heart. They are purely commercial in nature.
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Denn700 10/15/2012 6:52pm
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My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets it in all the 85cc classes, it's just a matter of time before Honda builds a 150 that is an aluminum framed EFI revving to 15 grand ticking time bomb. If we go fourstroke for all mini classes the sport is doomed. You will have to ride one to be competitive and the cost will push people out of the sport. All it takes is one or two 7-8 year olds getting hurt on this bike and mini's are outlawed. Think about it. Would you want your 7 year old racing a 150 four stroke?
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Denn700 wrote:
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets...
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets it in all the 85cc classes, it's just a matter of time before Honda builds a 150 that is an aluminum framed EFI revving to 15 grand ticking time bomb. If we go fourstroke for all mini classes the sport is doomed. You will have to ride one to be competitive and the cost will push people out of the sport. All it takes is one or two 7-8 year olds getting hurt on this bike and mini's are outlawed. Think about it. Would you want your 7 year old racing a 150 four stroke?
We've had the 150s in amongst all the 85's in schoolboy races, for several years now. You needn't worry, after the initial excitement and big numbers the 150's are getting fewer and fewer. KTM is virtually the only company sellling big numbers of kids bikes. A sea of orange at our races meetings.
Jamie_Munro 10/16/2012 2:23am
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I hope they fail and that I never have to see a 150 again. They are clearly desperate...Typical Honda to create a class that forces everybody...
I hope they fail and that I never have to see a 150 again. They are clearly desperate...Typical Honda to create a class that forces everybody to ride a 4stroke Honda. They done this shit in roadracing too where I miss those underful 250 twostrokes. Now all are 600cc Honda powered bikes in the old 250-class. Fuck Honda
BobTheBuilder wrote:
^^^^^^^I couldn't have said it any better.
You do actually understand why they did this don't you? And you know that other manufacturers also had the opportunity to be the sole provider?

Do you think the 2 stroke 250 offered better and tighter racing to more people? Was the class more or less competititve?
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jeffro413 10/16/2012 6:41am
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Denn700 wrote:
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets...
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets it in all the 85cc classes, it's just a matter of time before Honda builds a 150 that is an aluminum framed EFI revving to 15 grand ticking time bomb. If we go fourstroke for all mini classes the sport is doomed. You will have to ride one to be competitive and the cost will push people out of the sport. All it takes is one or two 7-8 year olds getting hurt on this bike and mini's are outlawed. Think about it. Would you want your 7 year old racing a 150 four stroke?
worried about the cost? a KTM 65 is $4499!! a Honda 150 is $4990. a KTM 85 is $5349!! a Kawasaki 85 is $4049, so we're talking $900 difference. I think they are easier to ride than a 2 stroke. It is the same as going from a 125 to a 250F, the 250F is way easier to ride. Have you ridden one? why would someone get hurt on this bike and not another? I do agree that Honda probably has a 2nd gen 150 ready to go when the bike becomes legal. Any smart company would have a 2nd gen waiting while the others aren't even developing one.

and yes, my 7 year old will ride a 150
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burnside 10/16/2012 6:44am
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A 150 must be fun to ride as a pit bike! I'd love to have a few to race with mates ha
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BobTheBuilder 10/16/2012 7:15am
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Denn700 wrote:
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets...
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets it in all the 85cc classes, it's just a matter of time before Honda builds a 150 that is an aluminum framed EFI revving to 15 grand ticking time bomb. If we go fourstroke for all mini classes the sport is doomed. You will have to ride one to be competitive and the cost will push people out of the sport. All it takes is one or two 7-8 year olds getting hurt on this bike and mini's are outlawed. Think about it. Would you want your 7 year old racing a 150 four stroke?
jeffro413 wrote:
worried about the cost? a KTM 65 is $4499!! a Honda 150 is $4990. a KTM 85 is $5349!! a Kawasaki 85 is $4049, so we're...
worried about the cost? a KTM 65 is $4499!! a Honda 150 is $4990. a KTM 85 is $5349!! a Kawasaki 85 is $4049, so we're talking $900 difference. I think they are easier to ride than a 2 stroke. It is the same as going from a 125 to a 250F, the 250F is way easier to ride. Have you ridden one? why would someone get hurt on this bike and not another? I do agree that Honda probably has a 2nd gen 150 ready to go when the bike becomes legal. Any smart company would have a 2nd gen waiting while the others aren't even developing one.

and yes, my 7 year old will ride a 150
The reason someone would get hurt on this bike an not a two stroke is because it's way too easy to go fast even if your skill level is novice ............same issue with modern 4 stroke big bikes and a contributing reason this sport has become deadly dangerous. Honda already knows how to add ridiculous power to this bike and is just waiting for the green light. Honda wants stomp out 85 two strokes and have every little johnny moto on a bike capable of hitting 100+ ft jumps with ease.

Good luck to your seven year old and stay safe.
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Denn700 10/16/2012 7:35am
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My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets...
My problem with the bike is the cost. I do not think it should ever be allowed in the 7-11 class. If and when Honda gets it in all the 85cc classes, it's just a matter of time before Honda builds a 150 that is an aluminum framed EFI revving to 15 grand ticking time bomb. If we go fourstroke for all mini classes the sport is doomed. You will have to ride one to be competitive and the cost will push people out of the sport. All it takes is one or two 7-8 year olds getting hurt on this bike and mini's are outlawed. Think about it. Would you want your 7 year old racing a 150 four stroke?
jeffro413 wrote:
worried about the cost? a KTM 65 is $4499!! a Honda 150 is $4990. a KTM 85 is $5349!! a Kawasaki 85 is $4049, so we're...
worried about the cost? a KTM 65 is $4499!! a Honda 150 is $4990. a KTM 85 is $5349!! a Kawasaki 85 is $4049, so we're talking $900 difference. I think they are easier to ride than a 2 stroke. It is the same as going from a 125 to a 250F, the 250F is way easier to ride. Have you ridden one? why would someone get hurt on this bike and not another? I do agree that Honda probably has a 2nd gen 150 ready to go when the bike becomes legal. Any smart company would have a 2nd gen waiting while the others aren't even developing one.

and yes, my 7 year old will ride a 150
I'm not talking about the price off the showroom floor. I'm talking about how much it will cost to rebuild it when it grenades. My dad used to bitch about rebuilding my 80's when I was a kid. I'm sure the price of the bike will sky rocket also if Honda builds it with all the stuff there 250F and 450F have. I'm not bashing it because it is a four stroke. I race 2 and 4 strokes and my 250F is my favorite bike. I just think it needs it's own class or needs to be run in the 12 and up classes. I would never allow my 7 year old to ride a 180 pound bike. My 7 year old weigh's 50 pounds exactly. If Honda builds a junior cycle to race, like a CRF110R,
I don't have a problem with my child racing that. I do not think we should let Honda do to the 85 class what yamaha did to the 125 class. Two strokes are a cheap way to get into the sport and we should keep it that way. Right now the 150 is no match fir most 85's but if that changes a rule needs to be made to put the bike in Mod only classes or even supermini if necessary. I believe we have to have an 85 stock class and I don't think 7-8 year olds need to be on a 180 pound 150cc bike. If the kid is to big then maybe we need a bigger wheel junior cycle class. I don't know what the solution needs to be.
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MBR 10/16/2012 7:45am
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BobTheBuilder wrote:
The reason someone would get hurt on this bike an not a two stroke is because it's way too easy to go fast even if your...
The reason someone would get hurt on this bike an not a two stroke is because it's way too easy to go fast even if your skill level is novice ............same issue with modern 4 stroke big bikes and a contributing reason this sport has become deadly dangerous. Honda already knows how to add ridiculous power to this bike and is just waiting for the green light. Honda wants stomp out 85 two strokes and have every little johnny moto on a bike capable of hitting 100+ ft jumps with ease.

Good luck to your seven year old and stay safe.
I know reasoning isn't the way to talk to two stroke people, but you would think that hop-up stores would have already come up with the way to make it even 80% ridiculous power (similar way they have done in bigger bikes) with CRF 150...also why aren't CRF150 pilots with factory support are not dominating all the series here in Europe where they are legal. I think it's good to have options so people can choose what ever they want. As far as pro series go, the main reason for lot of injuries is that the level of competition is so high that to be able to succeed you have to ride on the edge. Also modern riding techniques like scrubs (and unlocking your hips) are dangerous, but they are part of the evolution of the sport. If you can't take the heat, go to bathroom.
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BobTheBuilder 10/16/2012 7:57am
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LOL............I needed some euro-speak jibberish to cheer me up this morning. And thanks for the riding lesson too.
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Cspicer 10/16/2012 9:12am
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You would be suprised what a 10 year-old can do on a 150r, and by the way, a kid can get hurt on a 165lb 85. Additionally, the sport is already dying especially at the mini level but let me assure you it isn't because of the 150r.

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