WMX

blusmbl wrote:

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but...

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but make the field, in both the 250 and 450 classes.

ocscottie wrote:

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash...

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash and JP were turning the same laptimes as the guy who was 31st in the 2nd 250 moto.

TeamGreen wrote:

Dude...

Shhhhhhhh!

Keep that on the D-L...nobody wants to see the facts!

(Nice point, btw!)

blusmbl wrote:

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but...

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but make the field, in both the 250 and 450 classes.

ocscottie wrote:

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash...

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash and JP were turning the same laptimes as the guy who was 31st in the 2nd 250 moto.

newmann wrote:

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull...

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull off after a few laps.

Of course, I've said it many times.....

6 rounds WMA National Championship
6 rounds 125cc National Championship

yak651 wrote:

As been said to those that want a two stroke class, the women can start their own series if they believe there is a market for...

As been said to those that want a two stroke class, the women can start their own series if they believe there is a market for it

adub274 wrote:

The problem is there will be zero support . The women finally got into the mainstream and got some teams supporting them . With an amateur...

The problem is there will be zero support . The women finally got into the mainstream and got some teams supporting them . With an amateur day race or their own series the support and mainstream will be gone . You will kill women's mx period . No top girls will chase that . Nothing to aspire to . No-one will care . There are no pro races other than the nationals for a women to make money at now . No teams will support the women if it's not on pro day . The talent is coming in . This series just started getting popular . There are 100x more girls aspiring to work hard train ride and be a pro than 5 yrs ago . I say it is good for business long term . It needs time to develop .

lostboy819 wrote:

I think the problem is that no one cares now. I for one am glad to see it go.

blusmbl wrote:

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but...

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but make the field, in both the 250 and 450 classes.

ocscottie wrote:

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash...

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash and JP were turning the same laptimes as the guy who was 31st in the 2nd 250 moto.

newmann wrote:

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull...

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull off after a few laps.

Of course, I've said it many times.....

6 rounds WMA National Championship
6 rounds 125cc National Championship

lostboy819 wrote:

I think the problem is that no one cares now. I for one am glad to see it go.

haydos25 wrote:

You clearly don't have a daughter who is interested in racing and would aspire to be the next Ashley or JP. Neither do i but i...

You clearly don't have a daughter who is interested in racing and would aspire to be the next Ashley or JP. Neither do i but i can see how this decision would basically put an end to womens motocross at a professional level. Its hard enough as it is getting the girls interested, this will give them nothing to aim for.

Some people are happy with that, i cant see how its a good thing for the entire motocross community.

Skip376 wrote:

No reason she can't watch the pro WMX racers at the AM nationals or on AM day at the pro nationals.

Skip376 wrote:

No reason she can't watch the pro WMX racers at the AM nationals or on AM day at the pro nationals.

haydos25 wrote:

The point is will they be there. How many are gonna chase the AM day's with no factory support or exposure while spending hundreds of thousands...

The point is will they be there. How many are gonna chase the AM day's with no factory support or exposure while spending hundreds of thousands there own cash for a small plastic trophy and bragging rights?

Do they run womens swimming with the paralympics because they dont swim as fast as the men??

haydos25 wrote:

The point is will they be there. How many are gonna chase the AM day's with no factory support or exposure while spending hundreds of thousands...

The point is will they be there. How many are gonna chase the AM day's with no factory support or exposure while spending hundreds of thousands there own cash for a small plastic trophy and bragging rights?

Do they run womens swimming with the paralympics because they dont swim as fast as the men??

TerryB wrote:

I wouldn't know, I've never watched the women's swimming events. Phelps wasn't in them. I've said it before, I'm impressed when the girls run with the...

I wouldn't know, I've never watched the women's swimming events. Phelps wasn't in them.

I've said it before, I'm impressed when the girls run with the boys. If I had a daughter, I would encourage her to run with the boys. I wouldn't watch the girls class unless my daughter was in it, just as I wouldn't watch the local C class unless my son was in it. That's my time to get food or beer.

Not trying to be an ass, just being honest.

lostboy819 wrote:

Its like the womens NBA and womens boxing , they are not even close to the same level as Men and are not much fun to...

Its like the womens NBA and womens boxing , they are not even close to the same level as Men and are not much fun to watch, now if it is drag racing women and men are equal but in MX the WMX is a boring sideshow and not at all interesting to watch unless you know one of the gals racing and even then it time to hit the concession stand. Now womens enduro X was entertaining

https://youtu.be/h3s19jjEeHE?feature=player_detailpage

haydos25 wrote:

Not entertaining TO YOU. Im sure there are millions of people interested in watching womens boxing and the WNBA and the competitors in those sports have...

Not entertaining TO YOU. Im sure there are millions of people interested in watching womens boxing and the WNBA and the competitors in those sports have the opportunity to aspire to reach the highest level.

Unfortunately it looks like the highest level of womens motocross will be a sunday race with a bunch of 6-16 YR old amateur riders and past it vets riding for the fun of it the day after the big show. How this is supposed to help progress these girls to a level you consider "interesting to watch" is beyond me.

But each to their own.

haydos25 wrote:

Agree to disagree i guess. I just think if we're excluding women from the sport until they can keep up with the Dungeys and Reeds of...

Agree to disagree i guess. I just think if we're excluding women from the sport until they can keep up with the Dungeys and Reeds of the world thats a sad thing.

These women are the best of there gender and are true professionals. Compare apples to apples is all im saying.

ocscottie wrote:

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash...

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash and JP were turning the same laptimes as the guy who was 31st in the 2nd 250 moto.

newmann wrote:

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull...

Would the qualifier times have gotten them into the event though? I've noticed times when people don't even show up for the second moto or pull off after a few laps.

Of course, I've said it many times.....

6 rounds WMA National Championship
6 rounds 125cc National Championship

DownSouth wrote:

When it comes to qualifying times this is where the fastest WMX rider would have ranked when combined with the 250 class times. Hangtown: 44th Geiger...

When it comes to qualifying times this is where the fastest WMX rider would have ranked when combined with the 250 class times.

Hangtown: 44th Geiger

Freestone: 51st Patterson

Thunder Valley; 51st Patterson

High Point 66th: Geiger

Red Bud 64th: Fiolek

Washougal: 46th Fiolek

Southwick: 47th Fiolek

The closest time gap was at Southwick where Geiger (2:08.628) was .937 secs off Joey Peters (2:07.691) 36th OA time but there were still 11 riders between her time and the last qualifying spot.

The biggest spread was at High Point where Geiger (2:27.991) was 7.856 secs off of Ignacio Pazos (2:20.135) who had the 36th spot.

Other than Southwick all the others rounds had a gap from the top WMX time to the 36th spot of between 2 and 7 secs.

blusmbl wrote:

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but...

I've looked at and compared lap times at a few of the races this year. The top couple in WMX would be near the bottom, but make the field, in both the 250 and 450 classes.

ocscottie wrote:

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash...

Ya, i forget what round it was, we were talking about this subject in the race discussion thread, someone noticed that in the 2nd motos Ash and JP were turning the same laptimes as the guy who was 31st in the 2nd 250 moto.

haydos25 wrote:

Agree to disagree i guess. I just think if we're excluding women from the sport until they can keep up with the Dungeys and Reeds of...

Agree to disagree i guess. I just think if we're excluding women from the sport until they can keep up with the Dungeys and Reeds of the world thats a sad thing.

These women are the best of there gender and are true professionals. Compare apples to apples is all im saying.

thatdad wrote:

No one is excluding the women from the big show, just qualify. There is no testicle check at sign up. It is certainly not necessary to...

No one is excluding the women from the big show, just qualify. There is no testicle check at sign up.

It is certainly not necessary to keep up with Reed or Dungey. Using that standard, there would be five on the gate when all the top riders are healthy. Any rider who qualifies for a main event in either class is an accomplished rider.

I personally believe Ashley and Jessica would have more fans cheering them on if they were working though the pack in 25th than running away from a bunch of gate fillers that couldn't run top ten in a good local am B class race. Why couldn't a sponsor offer at top female award?

I am also not a fan of the argument that someone deserves the opportunity simply because they work hard and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to get there. Sometimes you have to make intelligent decisions about where you spend your time and money. If you want to spend it somewhere for your own enjoyment, dont expect the world to change because you think it is owed to you.

lostboy819 wrote:

Be careful thatdad, we can't have logic and common sense involved. The sense of entitlement is what rules MX when it comes to privateers and WMX.

haydos25 wrote:

The point has been proven already in this thread, they're not going to run top 25 in the men's class. Fiolek and Patterson are arguably the...

The point has been proven already in this thread, they're not going to run top 25 in the men's class. Fiolek and Patterson are arguably the two fastest female racers ever and they're not qualifying in the top 40. To say, well just run with the men is stupid and we know it's just not gonna happen, they're packing up and going home and you will see thousands of potential young motocrossers look elsewhere for a sport.

I don't think it's about a sense of entitlement, it's more a case of comparing like for like. I just see it as a backward step for the sport as a whole to potentially exclude 50 percent of the population from the pinnacle of the sport and say well hey go race with the ams and vets. What little kid is gonna think you know if I train real hard and dedicate my entire life to thos one day maybe I can race 24 hours after everyone's gone home from red bud.

But yeh a 125 support class featuring 5 yr old clapped out bikes and pros who also can't qualify in the top 40 is a much better idea.

look out below wrote:

I don't still dont undersand why people bitch so much about the WMX motos. Just like with anything else in life, If you don't like it...

I don't still dont undersand why people bitch so much about the WMX motos. Just like with anything else in life, If you don't like it, dont watch it (or buy, listen to, read, ect). If it is that damn boring to you, go to the Moto-Tees truck to get a shirt. I would watch a race with circus monkeys riding xr50s during intermission if it meant I could see more moto for my $45 ticket.

haydos25 wrote:

The point has been proven already in this thread, they're not going to run top 25 in the men's class. Fiolek and Patterson are arguably the...

The point has been proven already in this thread, they're not going to run top 25 in the men's class. Fiolek and Patterson are arguably the two fastest female racers ever and they're not qualifying in the top 40. To say, well just run with the men is stupid and we know it's just not gonna happen, they're packing up and going home and you will see thousands of potential young motocrossers look elsewhere for a sport.

I don't think it's about a sense of entitlement, it's more a case of comparing like for like. I just see it as a backward step for the sport as a whole to potentially exclude 50 percent of the population from the pinnacle of the sport and say well hey go race with the ams and vets. What little kid is gonna think you know if I train real hard and dedicate my entire life to thos one day maybe I can race 24 hours after everyone's gone home from red bud.

But yeh a 125 support class featuring 5 yr old clapped out bikes and pros who also can't qualify in the top 40 is a much better idea.

lostboy819 wrote:

Its not about them running in the nationals with the men, I think you have greatly overestimated the womans MX market I bet there are not...

Its not about them running in the nationals with the men, I think you have greatly overestimated the womans MX market I bet there are not thousands of potential women racers and to say we are excluding 50% of the population is wrong. The NFL has zero women players but women still make up a huge part of the football audience same with NASCAR very few women race. Men and women like to watch the very best of the best in all sports. believe it or not most women want nothing to do with racing a dirt bike and the ones who do race , even the best of the best women are still only as fast as the B class . Some people like watching them race and some dont but LLs and the other amature races are a better fit.

I dont want to see a 125 race or vet race at the nationals, let the big boys race and leave it at that.