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8/26/2012 3:07am Edited Date/Time 8/26/2012 7:13am
In all entirety of the current day rulings...All we can do is ride two strokes...However those who want to be pro or are on the way there will have buy the bangers. No one can predict the future of the sport, but the masses consist of the manufacturers and the fans.

The result / outcome would be just as unobtainable as the debut of the YZM400f ridden by Doug Henry in which emerged with all intrigue by all. But there is an indication from the fans that we are utterly pissed with the four stroke revolution and many just concur with it via our own / aesthetic needs. The issue wholly is this: Money is a key factor in the midst of all of what consists in the sport of MX. We can define what may be. In considering electric dirtbikes...Ok cool just as much as the 1998 yz400f. But, But, But...Time to eat. Shall 2 strokes come back, shall a new King rule the storm. RIP McGrath era? RIP spark and premix?
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8/26/2012 10:35am
In Europe the GPs are like the riviera with only invited brown-nosed vip rich friends (teams) Thanks to Llongo MF. Why not do like Nascar etc with a lot similar cars and different winners? Like a 450 with maximum35-40hp? exactly! You can change the enginge as much you want but never over 35Hp? And a underpowered 450 will last a loong time as well?
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8/26/2012 10:43am
I rode a 250 2t and a 450 with o'l man clutch (Rekluse) a few time now and last time before that was one thousand years ago (so did my body telling me days after). Guess what? 250 was a pain in the ass and 450 was smooth like butter a sunny day. And i am a 2t fan..........

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8/26/2012 8:23pm
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did you rattle can your motor? looks badass.
Firefish, Naw man... Powder coat on Stator and clutch cover, the rest is epoxy. Thanks btw.
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8/26/2012 8:36pm
The vet and C classes seem to be strong. The scary thing is the 50's. At a local level and a National level the 50 classes...
The vet and C classes seem to be strong. The scary thing is the 50's. At a local level and a National level the 50 classes are empty. Loretta's didn't even fill the gates for the 50's. This can't be good for the future.
The Vet Racers should be wrenching for their Grandkids. The gates are slim in the 65 classes compared to any other time in MX history and only KTM has bothered to update their 65 in the last decade. Electric bikes are the next big thing.
8/26/2012 8:58pm
20 years from now motox and motorsports in general will be like horse show jumping. A sub-sub- culture for spoiled rich brats. The bottom level has all but disappeared. In the 70s you could pay a couple thousand for a bike, which was nothing since it was easy to find a full time job for 15-20/hr, and ride a local track on the weekends.
Now, the costs have actually increased less than inflation, but the pay for blue collar jobs has trailed even more against inflation.
Another big issue is housing development. The tracks are more professional, but you have to drive several hours to get there. I live in an area with a lot of trail riding, but the housing wave is only 100km away. It is not likely that there will be anything left in 20 years.
It is true that 4t are more reliable than 10 years ago, and mechanics have the experience in fixing them, so maintenance is not really an issue. (also maintenance on a set of forks is more work than rebuilding a 2t)
The critical flaw of the 4t is noise. There is no way to make it quiet without going to a muffler the size of a garbage can.
I think video games are a waste of time, but you can't rap the young people for playing xbox and texting all day. A thousand for an xbox and a tablet. No gas to pay for, no parts to pay for, no risk of crippling injury and you have a better social life.
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8/26/2012 9:25pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2012 9:30pm
20 years from now, motocross will be better than ever, thanks to electric bikes. Once a decent energy storage option is figured out, these bikes will be unreal. Sound won't be an issue, so riding areas will be plentiful. Maintenance of these bikes is significantly lower, and the bikes themselves won't cost much more than they are now once they are mass produced, so they will be much more affordable in the long run.

Best of all, the hick side of the sport will be gone, because the bikes don't make a cool sound or smell, and the power is too linear Laughing
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8/26/2012 10:08pm Edited Date/Time 8/26/2012 10:09pm
Bikes have gotten so good that any schmuck novice rider can go fast for a little while. Then when he makes a mistake, he screws himself into the ground and gets to find out how much a careflight ride costs. Then he defaults on his $9k thumper because he lost his job due to injury.

For the guys that survive the steep learning curve of modern mx, the goal is to sell that $9k wonder bike before it blows a $2,500 hole in their wallet.

Be careful what you ask for.
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8/27/2012 1:04am
The way some of y'all go on, you'd think that 4-strokes caused the GFC, and that 2-strokes cured cancer
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8/27/2012 2:29am
Derpin' DJ wrote:
The way some of y'all go on, you'd think that 4-strokes caused the GFC, and that 2-strokes cured cancer
You can get away with a complete motor rebuild for $1,000... IF you know how to do it yourself. Wink
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8/27/2012 4:10am
Eletric bikes would solve alot of the current issues ( noise, cost) but those that have the power to make the change are too greedy and short sighted to open their eyes.
8/27/2012 6:31am
CamP wrote:
Bikes have gotten so good that any schmuck novice rider can go fast for a little while. Then when he makes a mistake, he screws himself...
Bikes have gotten so good that any schmuck novice rider can go fast for a little while. Then when he makes a mistake, he screws himself into the ground and gets to find out how much a careflight ride costs. Then he defaults on his $9k thumper because he lost his job due to injury.

For the guys that survive the steep learning curve of modern mx, the goal is to sell that $9k wonder bike before it blows a $2,500 hole in their wallet.

Be careful what you ask for.
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8/27/2012 12:01pm
I don't know how this post will turn out or not but maybe good or maybe bad. I'm basically asking the Moto world there thoughts on...
I don't know how this post will turn out or not but maybe good or maybe bad. I'm basically asking the Moto world there thoughts on the sport now a days. What is everyone's outlook on the sport, what does everyone see the sport becoming as the bikes progress more and more. The riders turning pro at such a young age and the speed these kids have. I just wana here all your guys thoughts on the future I guess and what you all think is coming.
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The grass roots of our sport has been pissed on by more egos and is brown and dying.
Absolutely nailed it.

MX has steadily become more expensive when the industry should be working to make it affordable............wrong direction in this economy which is not likely to get better.

Our "base" of riders has shrunk to a fraction of what it was. I see pro and LL getting bigger and grander every year while local races (in general) are dying off.

It has become deadly dangerous.

The outlook is not good and I believe the AMA/OEMs/MX sports etc have their heads up their asses and are completely oblivious to what is going on at the grassroots level.
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8/27/2012 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2012 2:38pm
I think there are fewer kids today that are risk takers than maybe there used to be. Of course alot of kids that ride moto tend to be "high strung" and that kinda thing isn't as well tolerated in todays world by parents or schools. Kids like that get damped down with Ridlin and the like these days. Video games have definitely reduced kids outdoor activities in a major way. Of course ball sports are so prevalent these days too; we have "traveling teams" outside of the school teams now that chew up alot of parents time and money.

Electrocross could certainly change the sport though, especially in large urban areas. Parents will probably view the bikes as big "Powerwheels" like they bought their kids when they were younger. Quiet running without the mechanical sophistication and maintenace of an internal combustion engines, just plug in to charge and run 'em. Could put tracks inside the city if you can control the associated dust.
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8/27/2012 2:15pm
A lot of good points have been made. I'll just throw mine in.

My biggest problem with local races is all these wannabe factory pros. Whether you have a big trailer with three bikes, or one 3-5 year old bike in the back of a pickup, we're all riding the same local track for no money. Get over yourself. It's fine to be competitive, but going to the races and lining up next to a bunch of snotty nosed punk mother fuckers that think they're the next J-Law in the C or B class gets tiring so fast. It reminds me too much of all the inflamed egos on a basketball court. I agree that competitiveness is largely a positive, but there's a line.

Needless to say, I have three years until I can ride the 25+ class....
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8/27/2012 2:49pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2012 2:49pm
What's interesting is that even as modern mx at the local level is dying on the vine, the Texas vintage racing club continues to grow and has set record level membership over each of the last 4 years. $2-3k will buy you a excellent vintage racer and local tracks are mellowed for the vintage club events, so it appears that cheap bikes and mellow tracks are in demand.
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8/27/2012 3:11pm
CamP wrote:
What's interesting is that even as modern mx at the local level is dying on the vine, the Texas vintage racing club continues to grow and...
What's interesting is that even as modern mx at the local level is dying on the vine, the Texas vintage racing club continues to grow and has set record level membership over each of the last 4 years. $2-3k will buy you a excellent vintage racer and local tracks are mellowed for the vintage club events, so it appears that cheap bikes and mellow tracks are in demand.
It almost seems like a given lol. Easier tracks that will make racing against your friends and local competitors more exciting, and less dangerous. Cheaper bikes that you don't have to stress about busting $500+ parts. I think that's why racing 50's or 110's with your buddies is so much fun.
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8/27/2012 6:28pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2012 6:30pm
It will always be a fringe sport because you cant play it with a ball and stick.

Thats why people race motocross, because they don't want to be one of the ball sport lemmings, at least I didn't.

We are true individuals. no other teammates to count on.
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8/27/2012 9:28pm Edited Date/Time 8/27/2012 9:29pm
You don't have to buy a new bike to race
2stroke or 4stroke
Get a shop manual and learn how to maintain it
What one man can do another can do
Get a used 4stroke for $2500 and put $2000 into it and make it perfect
$4500 is Better than $8000
Get a used 2 stroke $2000 put $2000 into it and make it perfect
$4000 is better than $7000
Not rocket science!
8/28/2012 1:18am
MX4EVR wrote:
You don't have to buy a new bike to race 2stroke or 4stroke Get a shop manual and learn how to maintain it What one man...
You don't have to buy a new bike to race
2stroke or 4stroke
Get a shop manual and learn how to maintain it
What one man can do another can do
Get a used 4stroke for $2500 and put $2000 into it and make it perfect
$4500 is Better than $8000
Get a used 2 stroke $2000 put $2000 into it and make it perfect
$4000 is better than $7000
Not rocket science!
I wonder how difficult it would be to work on every part of a 250f / 450. Essentially if maintained properly and use parts that prolongs the life of the bike you would be cutting out a lot of the costings.

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