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Edited Date/Time 8/23/2012 1:48pm
MM's 2-3 motos at Unadilla got me thinking about the lowest point totals for overall wins in MX history. Is that common knowledge? What about lowest total points for a championship (in relation to total number of points attainable)? Langston won two titles with some pretty marginal results (just a single moto win for the 125 crown), so he's probably in the running.

Who's the resident moto historian with the answers?
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rmpilot 8/22/2012 7:41am
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LoudLove wrote:
MM's 2-3 motos at Unadilla got me thinking about the lowest point totals for overall wins in MX history. Is that common knowledge? What about lowest...
MM's 2-3 motos at Unadilla got me thinking about the lowest point totals for overall wins in MX history. Is that common knowledge? What about lowest total points for a championship (in relation to total number of points attainable)? Langston won two titles with some pretty marginal results (just a single moto win for the 125 crown), so he's probably in the running.

Who's the resident moto historian with the answers?
this would be something interesting to find out.
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kongols 8/22/2012 7:45am
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Mathematically smallest point total could be 25. You even theoretically can not go lower than 25.
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MXerDW 8/22/2012 10:38am
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McGrath, Pichon, and Henry won overalls with 1-5 or 5-1 finishes.

And here are the margin totals for Championships from 1994 to last year.

12 races = 600 points

1994 - 125 Class
Doug Heny = 463
Steve Lamson = 442

1994 – 250 Class
Mike Laocco = 552
John Dowd = 402


1995 – 125’s
Steve Lamson = 467
Ryan Hughes = 462

1995 – 250’s
Jeremy McGrath = 526
Jeff Emig = 466


13 races = 650

1996 – 125’s
Steve Lamson = 584
Kevin Windham = 455

1996 – 250’s
Jeff Emig = 566
Jeremy McGrath = 556


1997 – 125’s
Ricky Carmichael = 563
Kevin Windham = 468

1997 – 250’s
Jeff Emig = 591
John Dowd = 475


12 races = 600 points

1998 – 125’s
Ricky Carmichael = 525
John Dowd = 477

1998 – 250’s
Doug Henry = 493
Greg Albertyn = 430


1999 – 125’s
Ricky Carmicael = 549
Brock Sellards = 396

1999 – 250’s
Greg Albertyn = 477
Kevin Windham = 448


2000 – 125’s
Travis Pastrana = 484
Stephane Roncada = 482

2000 – 250’s
Ricky Carmichael = 535
Sebastien Tortelli = 453


2001 – 125’s
Mike Brown = 458
Grant Langston = 444

2001 – 250’s
Ricky Carmichael = 490
Kevin Windham = 482


2002 – 125’s
James Stewart = 529
Brandon Jesseman = 392

2002 – 250’s
Ricky Carmichael = 600
Tim Ferry = 440


11 races = 550 points - (Troy was cancelled do flooding)

2003 – 125’s
Grant Langston = 380
Ryan Hughes = 373

2003 – 250’s
Ricky Carmichael -= 529
Kevin Windham = 460


12 races = 600 points

2004 – 125’s
James Stewart = 575
Broc Hepler = 396

2004 – 250’s
Ricky Carmichael = 600
Chad Reed = 476


2005 – 250’s
Ivan Tedesco = 412
Andrew Short = 376

2005 – 450’s
Ricky Carmichael = 594
Kevin Windham = 485


2006 – 250’s
Ryan Villopoto = 483
Mike Alessi = 448

2006 – 450’s
Ricky Carmichael = 539
Kevin Windham = 407


2007 – 250’s
Ryan Villopoto = 544
Ben Townley = 525

2007 – 450’s
Grant Langston = 439
Mike Alessi = 423


2008 – 250’s
Ryan Villopoto = 540
Ryan Dungey = 468

2008 – 450’s
James Stewart = 600
Tim ferry = 414


2009 – 250’s
Ryan Dungey = 503
Chistophe Pourcel = 492

2009 – 450’s
Chad Reed = 481
Andrew Short = 388


2010 – 250’s
Trey Canard = 474
Tyla Rattray = 446

2010 – 450’s
Ryan Dungey = 543
Brett Metcalfe = 398


2011 - 250’s
Dean Wilson = 538
Tyla Rattray = 472

2011 – 450’s
Ryan Villopoto = 526
Ryan Dungey = 514
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LoudLove 8/22/2012 11:11am
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Looks like Langston has the dubious distinction of earning big and small bike titles with the least amount of total points accumulated. But a title's a title.

Ivan also squeaked by with 412 points, or an average of 34.3 points per race. Amazingly, placing 4-4 in every race that year would have won the title!

The 125 series in 2000 was epic. Roncada collapsed, and Travis went 1-1 in the final 3 races (I think). Branden Jesseman positioned himself between TP and Roncada several times down the stretch, without which Suzuki would not have won the championship.

The largest gap? 2008 450, where Stewart squeaked by Ferry by 186 points.

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DownSouth 8/22/2012 11:30am
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Robbie Reynard (Steel City 1993) and Matt Goerke (Southwick 2009) won overalls with a 6-1 score (40 points).
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MXerDW 8/22/2012 11:38am
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DownSouth wrote:
Robbie Reynard (Steel City 1993) and Matt Goerke (Southwick 2009) won overalls with a 6-1 score (40 points).
Good catch DownSouth, my eyes were going all blurry after looking up stuff from all those years.
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DonM 8/22/2012 11:43am
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Looks like Langston has the dubious distinction of earning big and small bike titles with the least amount of total points accumulated. But a title's a...
Looks like Langston has the dubious distinction of earning big and small bike titles with the least amount of total points accumulated. But a title's a title.

Ivan also squeaked by with 412 points, or an average of 34.3 points per race. Amazingly, placing 4-4 in every race that year would have won the title!

The 125 series in 2000 was epic. Roncada collapsed, and Travis went 1-1 in the final 3 races (I think). Branden Jesseman positioned himself between TP and Roncada several times down the stretch, without which Suzuki would not have won the championship.

The largest gap? 2008 450, where Stewart squeaked by Ferry by 186 points.
The year Langston won his title on the KTM the final national at Troy Ohio was canceled so that contributed to his small point total.
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DownSouth 8/22/2012 11:49am
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DownSouth wrote:
Robbie Reynard (Steel City 1993) and Matt Goerke (Southwick 2009) won overalls with a 6-1 score (40 points).
MXerDW wrote:
Good catch DownSouth, my eyes were going all blurry after looking up stuff from all those years.
For some reason I seem to think that someone managed to get an overall with a 4-2 (which is still 40pts) but I can't find any evidence in the vault. It may just be a faulty memory, as I looked up every one time winner I could think of or mud races where weird scores resulted.
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FreshTopEnd 8/22/2012 11:51am
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In terms of margins, Cooper beat Kiedrowski for the 90 125 title by a single point. That was the year Honda parked Bayle's bike at the final round because he wouldn't agree to not mess up Kiedrowski's title effort.
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MXerDW 8/22/2012 11:51am
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DonM wrote:
The year Langston won his title on the KTM the final national at Troy Ohio was canceled so that contributed to his small point total.
11 races = 550 points - (Troy was cancelled do flooding)

2003 – 125’s
Grant Langston = 380
Ryan Hughes = 373


Give Langston 50 more points for Troy that did not happen and it would of been a Championship won with only 430 points.
That would be the next lowest points scored to win a Championship to Tedesco's 412 points.in 2005.
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LoudLove 8/22/2012 12:06pm
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Good point on the Troy cancellation. 380 points/11 races = 34.5 points per race, edging out Ivan's 34.3 average. Langston would have finished with a theoretical 414 points in '03.

Amazingly, Langston had 1 moto win, and no overalls in '03. He finished second overall only 3 times. Ryno was mounting a charge at the later races, but then Troy was cancelled.
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chrisbuehler 8/22/2012 12:37pm
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How the hell could you give Langston the title when Ryno was totally within striking distance of him?
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TDeath21 8/22/2012 12:38pm
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LoudLove wrote:
Good point on the Troy cancellation. 380 points/11 races = 34.5 points per race, edging out Ivan's 34.3 average. Langston would have finished with a theoretical...
Good point on the Troy cancellation. 380 points/11 races = 34.5 points per race, edging out Ivan's 34.3 average. Langston would have finished with a theoretical 414 points in '03.

Amazingly, Langston had 1 moto win, and no overalls in '03. He finished second overall only 3 times. Ryno was mounting a charge at the later races, but then Troy was cancelled.
Bad call in my opinion by the AMA. You can't just cancel the last round when it's that close. I think Stewart was close in points also after missing the first few rounds. I also assume this is the only MX Champion to ever not win an overall?
UpTiTe 8/22/2012 2:42pm
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The lowest points total to win a title has to be JMB in 91, won the 250 outdoors without a single overall.
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FreshTopEnd 8/22/2012 2:54pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The lowest points total to win a title has to be JMB in 91, won the 250 outdoors without a single overall.
True, but it got skewed in that era, where they split the 250 and 500 seasons so that each class had only six rounds. Back then, one dnf pretty screwed a rider's title chances no matter how many other motos he won.
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LoudLove 8/22/2012 3:05pm
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2-2-3-3-2-3-2 were JMB's overalls in '91 for 250MX. No wins, but all podiums. 277 points out of a possible 325 for a 42.6 points per race average (second Hangtown moto cancelled).

Races were:
Gatorback (Stanton 2-1, JMB 1-2)
Hangtown
High Point
Red Bud
Lake Sugartree
Kenworthy's
Southwick
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DownSouth 8/22/2012 3:11pm
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The last season of the 500 class in 1993 was only 4 rounds and Larocco scored 184 points to win the title.
neverwasfastenuf 8/23/2012 12:07pm
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UpTiTe wrote:
The lowest points total to win a title has to be JMB in 91, won the 250 outdoors without a single overall.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
True, but it got skewed in that era, where they split the 250 and 500 seasons so that each class had only six rounds. Back then...
True, but it got skewed in that era, where they split the 250 and 500 seasons so that each class had only six rounds. Back then, one dnf pretty screwed a rider's title chances no matter how many other motos he won.
Oh the good old days.

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neverwasfastenuf 8/23/2012 12:08pm
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In terms of margins, Cooper beat Kiedrowski for the 90 125 title by a single point. That was the year Honda parked Bayle's bike at the...
In terms of margins, Cooper beat Kiedrowski for the 90 125 title by a single point. That was the year Honda parked Bayle's bike at the final round because he wouldn't agree to not mess up Kiedrowski's title effort.
And a last lap pass by Cooper on Kiedrowski to win by that single point.
Sheriff245 8/23/2012 1:48pm
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chrisbuehler wrote:
How the hell could you give Langston the title when Ryno was totally within striking distance of him?
Because he had more points at the end of the season?

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