Dungey, Barcia, Baggett, MXDN

NateDawg122 8/11/2012 4:22pm
8/11/2012 4:22pm
mohammed wrote:
Good choice roger, one is not a full time 450 rider and the other not so fast on sand. I like our chances;) Lommel here we...
Good choice roger, one is not a full time 450 rider and the other not so fast on sand. I like our chancesWink Lommel here we come!!!
Ah yes, mohammed the moron comes out from the deep caves of France to talk MXoN crap once again. Please point out which one isn't good in sand? Barcia rode the 450 quite a bit last year and was second only to Dungey and Villopoto (beating Alessi in the process). He is also signed to Factory Honda in the 450 class next year and has their support going to Lommel. Don't worry, you will go back into hibernation after the MXoN is done.
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DavidR 8/11/2012 7:08pm
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You know how it works. If you say anything about James you're either a "hater" or a "racist." You can be critical of RD, CR, RV etc. all you want but say anything about James other than that he's the FMOTP and you're one of the above. Sadly, that's just the way it is. You can say Roczen or Musquin aren't handling the culture change here in the states and no one gets called racist.
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moto282 8/11/2012 7:17pm
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mohammed wrote:
Good choice roger, one is not a full time 450 rider and the other not so fast on sand. I like our chances;) Lommel here we...
Good choice roger, one is not a full time 450 rider and the other not so fast on sand. I like our chancesWink Lommel here we come!!!
Gotta give up to mohammed. Every year around this time he posts about MXDN and every year we look for him after the race. Becoming a tradition. Wouldn't be MXDN season without him Smile .

This may be your year though mohammed. Gonna be tough.
Lifesarutt64 8/11/2012 7:32pm
8/11/2012 7:32pm
IMHO Tomac would have been a better choice than either Baggett or Barcia, he just seems more grounded than them & able to handle the overall situation of the MXDN in europe

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NateDawg122 8/11/2012 8:10pm
8/11/2012 8:10pm
Lifesarutt64 wrote:
IMHO Tomac would have been a better choice than either Baggett or Barcia, he just seems more grounded than them & able to handle the overall...
IMHO Tomac would have been a better choice than either Baggett or Barcia, he just seems more grounded than them & able to handle the overall situation of the MXDN in europe
Got to take the top 250 guy. Barcia has experience on a 450 and Baggett makes beating Tomac a regular thing. You have to remember, although he is doing well now, ET has had a very up and down season. Many disappointing results that go along with his ride like moto 1 today. I will say, after seeing him tear it up in the sand today I don't think he would be a bad choice AT ALL.
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brianfagan9 8/11/2012 8:17pm
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I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over here is because of the intensity right off the start. It seems that alot of the guys riding the world circuit take time to get warm and going and with Alessi's starts he should be top 5 in MX3. Dungey will handle business regardless and I think Baggett will do much better this time around. Barcia is not proven and that could be a problem. Alessi has been on a roll lately and has rode really smart as the season has progressed.
NateDawg122 8/11/2012 8:26pm
8/11/2012 8:26pm
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I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over...
I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over here is because of the intensity right off the start. It seems that alot of the guys riding the world circuit take time to get warm and going and with Alessi's starts he should be top 5 in MX3. Dungey will handle business regardless and I think Baggett will do much better this time around. Barcia is not proven and that could be a problem. Alessi has been on a roll lately and has rode really smart as the season has progressed.
Barcia if not proven? Please explain. You spoke about Roczen and Musquin are struggling with the intensity at the start. Dude there are only three rounds left, it isn't the start anymore.
Crashinskinoff 8/11/2012 8:32pm
8/11/2012 8:32pm
brianfagan9 wrote:
I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over...
I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over here is because of the intensity right off the start. It seems that alot of the guys riding the world circuit take time to get warm and going and with Alessi's starts he should be top 5 in MX3. Dungey will handle business regardless and I think Baggett will do much better this time around. Barcia is not proven and that could be a problem. Alessi has been on a roll lately and has rode really smart as the season has progressed.
Right on man!
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Chillllmatic 8/11/2012 8:35pm
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Tomac was absolutely flying today.. closed up on Kroc and Bagget out of nowhere in the second moto. I know consistency is huge with getting on this team, but i think Tomac showed today he knows how to rip in the sand..
Crashinskinoff 8/11/2012 8:43pm
8/11/2012 8:43pm
Tomac has the right stuff, I feel like he is still finding his groove, he's going to set the bar pretty high before it's over.
Lifesarutt64 8/11/2012 8:51pm
8/11/2012 8:51pm
Will Herlings try to get into Barcias head? Herlings will be all about winning motos at the MXDN as I don't think his team can win overall & he has been known to play games.
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wildbill 8/11/2012 11:13pm
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mxgeoff wrote:
Stewart isn't consistent enough in Europe. He can't handle the culture change
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You must be trolling because that is a truly idiotic statement.
it's funny, racerx casually walked out on a Euro beach and nabbed geoff with his biggest catch ever.

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willie838 8/11/2012 11:18pm
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2012/08/11/USA_des_Nations_Team_658843.jpg[/img]
linkogle, dungey and barcia. nice!
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mxgeoff 8/12/2012 12:13am
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Lifesarutt64 wrote:
Will Herlings try to get into Barcias head? Herlings will be all about winning motos at the MXDN as I don't think his team can win...
Will Herlings try to get into Barcias head? Herlings will be all about winning motos at the MXDN as I don't think his team can win overall & he has been known to play games.
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider who isn't out to win a race isn't a true racer. Herlings in my opinion will have a huge respect for Barcia.
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mxgeoff 8/12/2012 12:30am
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mxgeoff wrote:
Stewart isn't consistent enough in Europe. He can't handle the culture change
ATKpilot99 wrote:
You must be trolling because that is a truly idiotic statement.
wildbill wrote:
it's funny, racerx casually walked out on a Euro beach and nabbed geoff with his biggest catch ever. [img]https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C9vgTtpT9qU/TV-rUuGBUbI/AAAAAAAABBo/Yc3QvzKRm70/s400/JEFF%2B%252B%2BTORO_4320x3240.jpg[/img]
it's funny, racerx casually walked out on a Euro beach and nabbed geoff with his biggest catch ever.

Thats not ever close to being my biggest fish......
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Lifesarutt64 8/12/2012 2:42am
8/12/2012 2:42am
mxgeoff wrote:
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider...
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider who isn't out to win a race isn't a true racer. Herlings in my opinion will have a huge respect for Barcia.
If a team at the MXoN has a decent points lead going into the last moto, IMO it is not all about going for the win. Just like if a rider can wrap up a championship with a certain placing & rides to a safe finish rather than risking crashing going for the win. Does this mean they are not true racers?
If Herlings has any respect for another rider he hides it well.
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mxgeoff 8/12/2012 2:46am
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mxgeoff wrote:
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider...
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider who isn't out to win a race isn't a true racer. Herlings in my opinion will have a huge respect for Barcia.
Lifesarutt64 wrote:
If a team at the MXoN has a decent points lead going into the last moto, IMO it is not all about going for the win...
If a team at the MXoN has a decent points lead going into the last moto, IMO it is not all about going for the win. Just like if a rider can wrap up a championship with a certain placing & rides to a safe finish rather than risking crashing going for the win. Does this mean they are not true racers?
If Herlings has any respect for another rider he hides it well.
He is often being complimentary about other riders. Give me a racer with his passion and determination over a rider with no character any time.

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Lifesarutt64 8/12/2012 2:59am
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He is often being complimentary about other riders. Give me a racer with his passion and determination over a rider with no character any time.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great asset for the world MX GP & would like to see him race in the US in the future. I think he could ruffle the feathers of many a US top rider
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mxgeoff 8/12/2012 3:13am
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mxgeoff wrote:
He is often being complimentary about other riders. Give me a racer with his passion and determination over a rider with no character any time.
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Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great asset for the world MX GP & would like to see him race in the US...
Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great asset for the world MX GP & would like to see him race in the US in the future. I think he could ruffle the feathers of many a US top rider
I get the feeling what has happened to Roczen this year will scare a lot of euros from going to USA. Roczen was clearly the fastest MX2 rider in the World, but in America, against American's he isn't even in the top three. Why take on that challenge when you can race and win every weekend and travel home to family and friends after the race.

And that pot of gold that so many GP riders previously chased isn't anywhere near like it was back in the 80, 90 and 2000s, so the risk value and the financial value just won't happen. Not only that, but US teams can see the euros can't race SX, so whats the point in taking them in.

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Lifesarutt64 8/12/2012 3:38am
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mxgeoff wrote:
I get the feeling what has happened to Roczen this year will scare a lot of euros from going to USA. Roczen was clearly the fastest...
I get the feeling what has happened to Roczen this year will scare a lot of euros from going to USA. Roczen was clearly the fastest MX2 rider in the World, but in America, against American's he isn't even in the top three. Why take on that challenge when you can race and win every weekend and travel home to family and friends after the race.

And that pot of gold that so many GP riders previously chased isn't anywhere near like it was back in the 80, 90 and 2000s, so the risk value and the financial value just won't happen. Not only that, but US teams can see the euros can't race SX, so whats the point in taking them in.

Geoff
Do you think a true racer should want to race the best racers in the world?
I know if I was told I could do my same job in any other country I would stay in Australia, can't blame them for wanting to stay with what & where they know.
I hope Roczen is contesting for wins next year, he has been very close at times.
IMO too much emphasis is put on SX
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mxgeoff 8/12/2012 3:54am
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I get the feeling what has happened to Roczen this year will scare a lot of euros from going to USA. Roczen was clearly the fastest...
I get the feeling what has happened to Roczen this year will scare a lot of euros from going to USA. Roczen was clearly the fastest MX2 rider in the World, but in America, against American's he isn't even in the top three. Why take on that challenge when you can race and win every weekend and travel home to family and friends after the race.

And that pot of gold that so many GP riders previously chased isn't anywhere near like it was back in the 80, 90 and 2000s, so the risk value and the financial value just won't happen. Not only that, but US teams can see the euros can't race SX, so whats the point in taking them in.

Geoff
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Do you think a true racer should want to race the best racers in the world? I know if I was told I could do my...
Do you think a true racer should want to race the best racers in the world?
I know if I was told I could do my same job in any other country I would stay in Australia, can't blame them for wanting to stay with what & where they know.
I hope Roczen is contesting for wins next year, he has been very close at times.
IMO too much emphasis is put on SX
I don't think there is too much between the GP riders and the AMA riders, so where the best are is a question mark. Sure the Americans are faster in America, but the euro's can match the AMA guys when it's on an even playing field. Starting a season in SX means the GP guys are straight away put in the back foot and that shows all the time. Why take the risk if you can make similar money at home and enjoy your normal lifestyle and in fact a much easier scheduel. AMA SX/MX sounds to me like a lifestyle killer. Damn you have to be a serious MX addict to want to attend aroiund 40 races in 40 weeks.

I wouldn't do it as a journalist thats for sure. I like the real world too much to spend all my time at the races.
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burnside 8/12/2012 5:28am
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mxgeoff wrote:
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider...
Every racer is out to win motos at the MXoN, team USA riders, Belgian riders and both those teams are going for the win. Any rider who isn't out to win a race isn't a true racer. Herlings in my opinion will have a huge respect for Barcia.
I guess that makes 38 guys out of the 2012 450 class not true racers. haha. They are racing for second place. Can vaguely remember some of RCs competitors saying as much in a TGO vid.
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brianfagan9 8/12/2012 2:35pm
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I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over...
I think Alessi should have got a shot on the team. Keep in mind that a big reason alot of European riders dont do well over here is because of the intensity right off the start. It seems that alot of the guys riding the world circuit take time to get warm and going and with Alessi's starts he should be top 5 in MX3. Dungey will handle business regardless and I think Baggett will do much better this time around. Barcia is not proven and that could be a problem. Alessi has been on a roll lately and has rode really smart as the season has progressed.
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Barcia if not proven? Please explain. You spoke about Roczen and Musquin are struggling with the intensity at the start. Dude there are only three rounds...
Barcia if not proven? Please explain. You spoke about Roczen and Musquin are struggling with the intensity at the start. Dude there are only three rounds left, it isn't the start anymore.
I dont recall Barcia racing against any GP guys before so in my opinion he is unproven in that type of environment. Alessi on the other hand has raced those guys and has faired pretty well. In my statement above you say I talk about Roczen and Musquin which I dont see. It says alot and does not directly refer to KROC or MM. Searle and Anstie are a couple that I would throw into that category but still did reasonably well IMO. Regardless, Baggett will be having to handle those guys in all likelyhood. Dude, read before you post.
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The Universe 8/12/2012 3:08pm
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mxgeoff wrote:
Stewart isn't consistent enough in Europe. He can't handle the culture change
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TDeath21 8/16/2012 12:06am
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I agree with this pick. Obviously, with all of the injuries, this is the best we can send. Barcia is proven on a 450 and Baggett has been awesome all year. Dungey is Dungey, I don't need to elaborate on him.

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